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sechel83,
IMHO, you would be neither. So you actually believe that someone besides any of the seven Lubavitcher Rebbeim, zt”l can be Mashiach? Please answer “yes” or “no”. If this is the common belief by Chabad meshichists, then why all the effort to justify how the last Rebbe, zt”l will be Mashiach?
sechel83,
Do you consider it within the realm of possibility that someone besides any of the seven Lubavitcher Rebbeim, zt”l will be Mashiach? Please answer “yes” or “no”.
huju,
Oh no, not the Ten Commandments! Aren’t they from the New Testament? Instead, the Woke Mandates should be posted and “dress as your authentic self” events should be encouraged.
jackkk,
You’d be thrilled if this anti-Semitic squad scum moved the Nakba event and would gladly attend since the Palestinian issue is so “complicated”.
By the way, your hero, the anarchist George Soros isn’t in congress but he’d certainly have your full support if he were running.
Given your woke religion support for every abomination, why do you have problem with drag stars?
Aveira,
Sorry, not buying. Plenty of others in chinuch post here yet they don’t spend hours on a daily basis banging out vitriol like you do. It’s obvious that you don’t “despise what the torah despises”, you despise other Jews.
You are using this site as a release valve for your pent-up sinas chinam when you’re not at work. Please find more constructive ways of dealing with it, like mussar and therapy.
Aveira,
So you would permit, for instance, a rebbe to lecture students in a class while he posts daily that he despises just about everything about the parent body and school?
Would you want such a rebbe for your children, even if he is a big lamdan?
If you would, then we’ve hit rock bottom in this conversation.
huju,
I think you are a mah-yafis. Eating dog meat is banned in some Chinese cities but is allowed in most others and there’s even been an annual festival dedicated to it. Are your infantile woke sensibilities so ruffled by the truth that you actually compared it to the insidious blood libel lie?
The mods should permanently ban your sick kapo comments.
jackkk,
Despite the best efforts of her handlers, every time this stupid dolt opens her mouth, wilted word salad spews out. She is dumber than a box of hammers and doesn’t belong anywhere near the levers of power.
jackkk,
It would be terrible since unbelievably, there is actually someone more mentally challenged than the current brainless, incontinent, mush-eating occupant of the oval geriatric ward. Here’s just the latest from the horse-faced, hyena-laughing, word-salad spewing dolt, copied from whitehouse.gov:
“So I think it’s very important — as you have heard from so many incredible leaders — for us, at every moment in time, and certainly this one, to see the moment in time in which we exist and are present, and to be able to contextualize it, to understand where we exist in the history and in the moment as it relates not only to the past, but the future.”
Wow, that really inspires and builds confidence, doesn’t it?
Aveira,
Despite your insistence that you don’t hate Jews, your posts indicate that you do. Otherwise, you’d happily share them with your employer and their parent body but we both know you’d then be unemployable.
Just as it’s clear to you what goes on in the minds of the Orthoprax, your visceral hatred for others is obvious to everyone who reads your posts.
Aveira,
I’m not the one who constantly peddles vile hatred on this site, you are.
Aveira,
Just as it’s impossible for a person to perform mitzvos without proper belief in HKB”H, it’s impossible to properly educate children when you have nothing but disdain for their parents, their community and their school. Ortho-prax damage themselves but Chinuch-prax damage every child they come into contact with. The father in question would be less than complimentary if he read your posts.
Yabia,
Avira is a Rebbe in an MO school. I’ll bet you’re as thrilled to learn that as I was!
CS,
If you’re in shlichus I’m a bit surprised since the shluchim I know work day and night on behalf of their “localities” with no time to post regarding Chabad ideology.
CS,
You seem to heave a great deal of time on your hands. What is your occupation?
CS,
You may want to check out “Avodas Hakorbanos”, written by the eldest son-in-law of the Chafetz Chaim, zt”l, over a century ago and recently translated by ArtScroll. In his approbation, the Chafetz Chaim wrote that learning this topic demonstrates that we anticipate the coming of Mashiach.
CS,
Yes, the special Korbonos brought that day are referred to as “coming with the bread” and the Kohen waves the two lambs sandwiched in between them.
CS,
Not sure what you’re referring to but for one, the two lambs accompanied them. With other offerings, including the Todah, the Mincha was a “side” for the Korbon.
CS,
Ten of the forty loaves brought with a Korbon Todah are chametz.
CS,
I’ll check it out but please understand that many people won’t accept chiddushim that only exist in Chabad writings but not in more universally accepted sources. Nor do they have to.
CS,
Is this your interpretation or did the Rebbe, zt”l explicitly say that “anyone will be able to enter the Kodesh hakodoshim as long as they’re at that spiritual level, any day, when moshiach comes”? From Yechezkel (43:7) we see that the Third Bayis will be quite a distance removed from the city to prevent us from defiling it. People will certainly not be able to enter the Kodesh HaKadashim every day, regardless of their spiritual level.
CS,
Please provide the source for your Kodesh HaKadashim claim.
CS,
I wasn’t referring to attending college for “educational value” but strictly to pursue a livelihood. I know two sons of well-known shluchim who did so after marriage, one works as an attorney and the other as a therapist. They are both considered talmidei chachamim in their respective communities outside of Crown Heights but I was wondering how they would be viewed by Chabad.
CS,
Chabad has every right to think that the departed Rebbe, zt”l is Mashiach and the rest of Jewry has every right to think that Chabad is beyond the pale because of it.
Menachem,
How are Chabad chassidim who attend college nowadays viewed, especially if they come from geza families?
Menachem,
Isn’t it ironic that the Rebbe had an advanced secular education but his chassidim are forbidden from doing the same?
CS,
I most certainly do want a clear answer, “yes” or “no”. Do you consider it within the realm of possibility that someone besides any of the seven Lubavitcher Rebbeim, zt”l will be Mashiach?
Joseph,
OTD has many causes, such as dysfunctional families, learning issues, abuse, emotional problems, alcohol, drugs and poverty. One factor is the feeling of being trapped with a lack of options in life and a limited secular education is part of that. While there are unfortunately a growing number of OTD girls many experts believe they are still outnumbered by boys. Or has your “first hand community work on the issue in multiple municipalities” informed you otherwise?
N0,
Get real. Almost thirty years after his passing, even “normal” Chabad people can’t conceive of anyone aside from the Rebbe, zt”l being Mashiach. As a result, many Jews don’t trust their Geirus, Kashrus, and communal organizations. The entire yeshiva world has nothing but disdain for them, the Chassidic world has rejected them and MO leaders have compared their bizarre convictions to early Christian doctrine.
As the decades pass, the number of Chabad houses may increase but they have morphed into a personality cult built around a long departed leader. What a waste.
CS,
So the only person you would consider to be Mashiach is someone who was niftar almost three decades ago? And you wonder why everyone thinks Chabad has gone off the reservation?
Joseph,
No, it doesn’t. From what I’m told, the secular education for Lakewood High Schools girls is generally pretty good. The girls have no problem finding decent paying jobs since employers know they acclimate very quickly.
CS,
Please confirm whether you consider it within the realm of possibility that someone besides any of the seven Lubavitcher Rebbeim, zt”l will be Mashiach.
Menachem,
Once again, please confirm whether you, an apparently knowledgeable Chabad chasid considers it within the realm of possibility that someone besides any of the seven Lubavitcher Rebbeim, zt”l will be Mashiach.
A one word answer will suffice without need of further explanation or going in circles. Why are you so afraid to answer this simple question?
Menachem,
It will simply confirm whether an apparently knowledgeable Chabad chasid considers it within the realm of possibility that someone besides any of the seven Lubavitcher Rebbeim, zt”l will be Mashiach.
A one word answer will suffice without need of further explanation or going in circles. Why are you afraid to answer the question?
Menachem,
Your answer to this vital question is not pointless and I don’t need to understand your reasoning, so with a “yes” or “no”:
Do you consider it within the realm of possibility that someone besides any of the seven Lubavitcher Rebbeim, zt”l will be Mashiach and would you accept this person as your King?
Menachem,
Do you consider it within the realm of possibility that someone besides any of the seven Lubavitcher Rebbeim, zt”l will be Mashiach and would you accept this person as your King?
Aveira,
The Gemara and Medrash tell us that of course it was intended to be permanent, just as Chizkiyahu was intended to be Mashiach and just as the Divine plan has been for us to be redeemed in every generation. When we aren’t worthy, it’s delayed until the next generation. That is why every generation that isn’t redeemed is considered to have had the Beis Hamikdash destroyed in their time.
Aveira,
I’m quite aware that they had nevi’im and we don’t. I was responding to your post on another thread where you claimed that “everyone knew bayis sheni was temporary” and that the state “holds back the true geulah”.
Your “halacha” of not going up en masse is the opinion of a daas yachid and not so “simple”. Which of the seven million Jews currently in Eretz Yisrael are violating it and where do you suggest they go?
Aveira,
We know from the Gemara in Yoma and Medrash Shir Hashirim that those who ignored the Nevi’im and stayed in Bavel during Bayis Sheni prevented it from becoming the final Beis Hamikdash.
Our redemption is held back by frum Jews who should know better constantly spewing criticism and hatred against other Jews and even worse, entire groups of Jews.
AAQ,
Please stop sidetracking common with any facts or questions. He’s busy watching YouTube videos on legal strategy to assist the chasid with a lawsuit that won’t happen.
Pekak,
I wrote “chasid”, which has other meanings and uses besides “chassidish”. You may want to read the entire thread from the beginning.
Pekak,
Who used the term “chassidish”?
Yay.
Hopefully, the chasid has learned the very important lesson of not touching other people’s children for any reason.
Joseph,
So this is your dissertation? Are you pursuing a degree with Cracker Jack U?
It does make a very strong argument in favor of formal High School secular education for boys.
Joseph,
The immodesty issues are probably much worse on an ocean liner than an airplane. Do you embark and disembark with blinders on, and stay in your cabin the entire time? Do you travel with a minyan and a Sefer Torah or do you forgo those for several weeks?
AAQ,
So Rabbeim should be happy with low salaries or even work for free? Do you?
Joseph,
What was the topic of and degree for which you wrote your dissertation?
Joseph,
How do you usually travel to Israel?
Joseph,
As usual, you have no grounds at all for your silly boich svara. The thousands of Kollel wives supporting husbands in learning by working at secular gentile culture workplaces Manhattan, Tel Aviv, etc., prove otherwise.
They obviously didn’t consult with you first on the halacha hotline you claim to answer. Why might that be?
Joseph,
The Gedolim felt otherwise when they began advocating for widespread Kollel learning after the Holocaust. They understood quite well that women would have to go out into the workplace and felt it was worth any drawbacks. They haven’t reversed that decision in the past eighty years.