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Health,
Why are you defending anti semites that are republicans? I really want to know.
There are anti-semites in both parties.Health,
Republicans who throw out anyone who doesn’t believe in the “BIG LIE” are living in fantasy land.
SCOTUS found Obamacare constitutional despite the lies of the republican party.Lakewhut ,
The democrats are extremely popular and that is why Trump lost by millions.AAQ,
This whole discussion is not relevant except as a campaign speech. So I only discuss it as a counter argument.
Despite how much presidents like to brag about a successful economy under their watch, the nation’s economy is derived from many factors that do not involve presidential decisions — and are far beyond a president’s control.
Your numbers were all skewed in order to benefit the Trump re-election campaign. Hardly objective.
In fact , Trump used your numbers in a speech in Pittsburgh on October 23 2019.My source for stagnant wages is Forbes. (You think I made them up ? )
The economist David Salkever, writes worse.
“REAL pay data show Trump’s ‘blue collar boom’ is more of a bust for US workers, with wages plunging 3.88% in the period. And, again, the situation is worse when we add in fringe benefits, which brings the decline to 4.33%.”Lakewhut,
Participant asked a good question. This is a thread about the federal vs states government’s power regarding elections.
Federal GOP representatives are guilty of taking over states rights on Jan 6th.There will be at least 20 challenges brought to the SCOTUS if this bill ever becomes law exactly because elections are run by states. The Democratic writer of the bill has said that he has written the bill to stand up to SCOTUS challenges.
Seems people need a reminder of January 6th 2021.
A stunning 147 Republicans in Congress voted to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election based on lies about widespread voter fraud ― lies that, by lawmakers’ own admission, incited supporters of then-President Donald Trump to violently storm the U.S. Capitol in January. The ultimately unsuccessful effort sought to toss out electoral votes from Arizona and Pennsylvania, potentially disenfranchising millions of Americans.
During Trump’s 4 years there was inflation, real wages were stagnant and the federal budget deficit ballooned.
Biden is trying to fix the economic disaster that Trump left him with.
He is also trying to repair all the other disasters that Trump is solely to blame for – soured international relations with Allies, Covid deaths, human rights etc…Sen. Paul Boyer, a Republican who represents a suburb of Phoenix, told the publication that he initially supported and voted for the audit but that he regretted doing so after seeing how poorly it was being conducted.
“It makes us look like idiots,” Boyer said. “Looking back, I didn’t think it would be this ridiculous. It’s embarrassing to be a state senator at this point.”
TVAP,
It is quite simple.
I am saying that there shouldn’t be an audit to address the unfounded concerns of millions.
There definitely should not be a corrupt audit run by the GOP to address the unfounded concerns of millions.
The shoe is already on the other foot. The democrats are concerned that elections in republican run states that changed there laws after 2020 are disenfranchising millions of Americans and the results are invalid.Just because YOU and MILLIONS “HAVE CONCERNS” that the election was not legit does not allow YOU or the MILLIONS to hire a inexperienced , unknown republican run cyber ninja firm to do an audit.
THE RECOUNTS WERE DONE. THE LAWSUITS WERE DONE.The truth is you have been lied to incessantly by Trump, the GOP , and the Media.
TVAP,
The legitimate talking point is that your point ,” Going forward, for future elections, it’s crucial that everyone trusts the process….” is invalid.
You think it sounds logical and ethical but it is not.I have given you an example.
You have not responded because there is no response. You want things your way as long as you win.
The point is irrelevant, laughable and ludicrous.
Besides the point being stupid, in a video message commemorating the National Day of Prayer, Biden said: “By the grace of God and the extraordinary work of researches and scientists, we have vaccines that have proven to be safe and effective … Thank you for your prayers and may God Bless you and all those you love and are concerned about on this day and every day.”
FYI, G-D was mentioned in the declaration, just not the real One that we pray to. At the end, Biden writes that this proclamation was signed in “the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-one.”
Maybe we can now see the gadlus of Chazal when they left Hashem’s name out of the Megillah which was a Persian Public Document.
TVAP,
An example of what you are saying when the shoe is on the other foot.
Due to the new laws enacted by the republicans, democrats do not trust the process in the 43 states that the republican proposed at least 250 new election laws..
Therefore, if democrats lose – especially in republican states – like Florida and Georgia, the states must be ready to satisfy every accusation of stealing the elections.
The states should be ready for countless lawsuits and endless recounts.
A tiny unknown firm called ‘cyber sushi’ with no experience in auditing elections ,run by a democrat , will be hired to audit the process even after multiple recounts.
Democrats will hire crazy lawyers (who will be losing their law licenses and going to jail) go on national TV every day repeating claims that they heard. They are the Democrats “Strike Force” and they will be ready the night of the elections to announce that they are not conceding and the election was stolen.
The states should be ready for every crazy theory – from ballots shipped in from the far east to dead people voting.No politician will be considered duly elected or legitimate until all the lawsuits have been resolved!!!!
This will be the new normal.
We might even gather outside the state capitols.Just like you have been accommodated, we will demand to be accommodated.
America is anxiously awaiting.
N,
The reason I said that there is no need to hide from the truth of the jobs report is similar to your post, because the numbers are just numbers and can be interpreted.
Your reasoning for the numbers are possible.
Biden talked about the jobs report and the steps still needed to help Americans.
It is not being hidden.Lying about a lost election, storming the Capitol, and throwing anyone who disagrees under the bus (Cheney) is not a “big stink”. It is the current MO of the republican party.
The party that told us in 2016, ” Trump won , get over it”, can’t get over his loss.No need to hide the truth.
The truth does not reflect poorly on Biden.
Only republicans constantly lie about losing the election.
Participant,
Just accept whatever Health says as fact. It is not worth asking for real sources.
Shalom,
I tried to help you out since 4 out of the 5 posts are from you.
Do you enjoy debating yourself?Shalom,
Instead of calling people names , you might read what Naomi Chazan (professor (emerita) of political science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, a former Member of the Knesset and Deputy Speaker of the Knesset) wrote.
She summarizes at the end of her piece, “The Human Rights Watch report has caused considerable discomfort in large segments of Israeli society and the Jewish world. But instead of viewing this document, with its compendium of violations increasingly conforming to legal definitions of apartheid, as an unmitigated threat to Israel’s very existence, Israelis who care about the country, its moral fabric, its guiding principles and its future viability might do well to view its publication as a warning signal that compels a much-needed reassessment of their normative foundations and their future course.”I paraphrase – the ultimate test of the current situation is, if the roles were reversed, would any Jewish Israeli be willing to live under such conditions ?
unity = make america great again. Meaningless fluff which means nothing if not less than that.
Welcome to the world of politicians and political campaigns.If a person finds it hard to feel the tragedy, they can listen to one of the hespeideim or divray zicharon.
Many of them are online.
It will be very easy to feel the pain during the hespeidim and divray zicharon.Syag,
I do not know exactly what Biden means by unity. I do not speak to him and have not been informed.
I can only guess like everyone else in the CR.
One thing is for sure and I have said this before in the CR.
Since January 6th, the republicans do not deserve to be treated with any respect. They deserve to be destroyed and treated as traitors.
All of the republican senators and congressmen who pushed for the insurrection belong in jail.
Until they repudiate Trump’s lies, they don’t deserve to be treated with unity.Whining about unity after an insurrection shows the lack of honesty of the republican party.
OP: Any of the CR Dems Want to Defend Kerry?
AAQ: Defends Kerry
Health: Stop defending Kerry!Me: Lakewhut Please layout the timeline of events from 2016 until today so that we all understand exactly what you are accusing Kerry of doing. He doesn’t need a defense until you specify what you are accusing him of.
I should start another Post but I will add it to the comment here.
Does anyone want to defend the treasonous traitor Republican Giuliani whose home was raided today by the Feds in a criminal probe ? He lied for 3 months straight about the election after lying for 3 years about Ukraine and Biden.
Or the treasonous traitor Republican Bill Barr who prevented the Feds from doing their job investigating Giuliani and even fired the US Attorney Berman ?
Does anyone see that the Republicans can be just as easily accused of treason and being traitors ?
The current Republicans are simply the rebirth of the confederacy – Proud Traitors.TVAP,
The party radicals ARE running the Maricopa County Audit. Absolutely nothing to be gained in terms of truth.
A lot to be gained in propaganda for Trump and his supporters.TVAP,
First, the democrats didn’t try so hard. When they were required to post a million dollars bond they stopped.
Second, the GOP party in Maricopa County is also trying hard to prevent a recount.
Third, as Yserbius explained, just because some idiot claims something about an election doesn’t mean that they get to do a recount – that was already done to the satisfaction of the GOP Led Maricopa County election board.
Fourth, the people doing the recount are not unbiased. If you check the backgrounds of the owners of the companies that were hired, they are suspiciously very open to the idea that there was fraud.
Fifth, they will be calling voters to ask who they voted for to correlate their votes with their ballots. That is an invasion of privacy and will never get the truth.
Sixth, the results are meaningless and worthless because it’s being run in a partisan manner by the republican led senate in AZ.So after these seven reasons, why do it and pay for it? Unless you are sure that you are going to get the desired result – there was fraud and Trump really won Maricopa County.
This is lakewhut’s daily advertisement against the democratic party.
He will say outrageously silly and stupid statements that have no basis in the real world.
The republican traitors who tried to overthrow the US government on January 6th love him for it.
MadeAliya,
It is embarrassing that you called Dr Fauci a fraud and that he is fearmongering.
Have you ever been responsible for the lives of a country ?
Have you ever been responsible for the response to a new virus which is killing millions of people?Dr Fauci has and he has been wildly successful in his career and he has won many awards due to his work.
He has nothing to prove to anyone; especially not graduates of the Trump University’s solution of bleach .
He knows better than you on everything about viruses in general and this virus in particular. He has all the data that he needs to make an informed decision as possible.
The answer to all this is very simple. HE IS TRYING TO SAVE PEOPLE FROM GETTING SICK AND ALSO SAVE THEIR LIVES.
There are 560,000 dead Americans already from this virus , with thousands STILL getting sick from the virus and dying weekly.
He wants the number of sick from the virus to get down to zero, zilch, efes.
He will not relax until we are well on the way to that happening without any surprising new strains.
The 80 year old Fauci has been serving the public health sector for over 50 years.
He is a genius who has been able to help millions of people in his official capacity.
Dr. Fauci attended medical school at Cornell University’s Medical College (now Weill Cornell Medicine) where he graduated first in his class with a Doctor of Medicine degree in 1966.Armchair pundits from the right who got a degree from Trump University are seriously outclassed and should be embarrassed.
Health,
“You can prosecute a Cop if they commit a crime.”
That is EXACTLY what happened here.
You see it differently, but you are not the judge or the jury here. They saw all the evidence presented and concluded that he committed a crime.
The idea that he was prosecuted and convicted to appease the woke mob is simply a lie.
It also flies in the face of the history of cops being ruled innocent by a jury even when there is tremendous pressure to convict.
Amadou Diallo, Rodney King, Eric Garner , etc …TVAP,
There is another question which will clue you in. Why is the GOP-led Maricopa County Board of Supervisors also refusing to assist the effort?
Answer: They say that multiple past reviews have already demonstrated the election was run properly.
There is an internal GOP fight going on between those who want to find favor in Trump’s eyes because he still holds a stranglehold on the party and those who realize that the man destroyed his legacy and the GOP by losing the house, senate and WH in 4 years and lying about winning the election.
lakewhut,
What are the clues that I am missing that these 8 people are about to stage a communist revolution?
And that they are are repeating the french revolution ?!Lakewhut,
Can I send you a link to a shiur on rodef so that you can understand the basics ?
What you are writing is against explicit pesukim in the Torah of “haba Bmachteres”Lakewhut,
Shocking!!! Thanks for warning us of the communist revolution in the US.
Law enforcement will make sure that they do not succeed.
Please call your local law enforcement to arrest these people.
Do you have their names?
MadeAliyah,
I never heard a preacher either, but the republican party has a hold on many christians because they have been preached to think as follows, “I always vote Republican because I’m so against abortion.”
Everything else in the world is secondary to them. It is the one and only issue which will get their vote.MadeAliyah,
The discussion about the republicans and democrats is not what the Torah says about these issues.
The Torah is not up for discussion or debate.
It is what is the proper Torah view in light of the USA being a free and democratic country with a separation of church and state. It is a country which inherently allows you to practice your religion but does not force religious views on anyone. This is the opposite of the Torah view of the total and absolute authority of Chazal , Batei Din and the King.
Sunday preacher’s views on religion of who is going to olam habah are not our concern.
To all who asked me questions or argued with me , I respond that all of my comments were GIGANTIC GENERALIZATIONS to counter the GIGANTIC GENERALIZATIONS written by OP.
I only need to make a cogent argument when I am trying to oppose another’s.
OP never made any convincing and compelling reasons for what he wrote.
Just like OP did not provide a single proof or reasoning (and he did this with another topic that he posted a week ago titled “The democratic playbook”) I responded in fashion. ( I responded to that posting also with similar generalizations.)
People post new Topics criticizing the democrats just so that they have the Topic Title recorded for a week, as if the CR is a billboard to the Jewish community for publicizing their ideas and the more advertisements for the republicans the more they win.
I would like to thank EmesNishtSheker for so beautifully expressing his thoughts here which I agree with. I don’t need to repeat them.
When someone shows me that the republicans are the party of the Torah over the democrats without sounding like a Sunday Preacher (ie Abortion , Gays etc…) I will welcome the conversation.
“They release criminals into the street.” It’s the republicans who release cops who kill innocent civilians.
“They support Terrorists. ” They killed OBL. They give Israel 12 billion dollars of aid per year.
“They give money to criminal aliens.” They give money back to tax paying citizens.
“They allow the most immoral people to run education and health departments.” Have you read the resume’s of your previous president and your current congressmen?
“They tax businesses out of existence.” Corporate taxes are a historic low.
“They support ANTIFA. ” Nope. Republicans support proud boys and the KKK.
Its short and full of hot air.Coffee Addict,
“Care for people? Like providing abortions for African Americans instead of teaching them the right way.” You need to learn more about the Planned Parenthood organization. They do much more than abortions.
The stimulus checks recently all came from Democrats. Not a single republican.
Biden has been laser focused on vaccine distribution.Most Americans can differentiate between BLM and the Democratic party. Also, the difference between the drug cartels.
Does the Holy Torah encourage people to worship Avoda Zara ? Murder by Police ? Not taking care of Geirim ?
DovidBT,
” the Big Lie. Keep repeating a lie over and over again, and people will start to believe it” .
Where have a heard that before ? I am trying to remember . Oh Right! The one that was said from November 7 2020 until January 6 2021 that led to an insurrection against the capitol and policemen getting killed.
The Republicans are the champions of the big lie.
(For syag’s sake , I am not mentioning his name. )
I need to apologize to Saul Alinsky. Reuter’s fact checker’s say that the claim that this is from Saul Alinsky is False: Saul Alinsky did not draft an eight-step plan for world conquest, or the creation of a “social state”. These quotes attributed to him on social media are false.
At least give credit to Saul Alinsky for your plagiarism.
The democrats are not doing any of these steps.
I argue that republicans are responsible for all of them.Rightwriter,
Many of these venues, if not all, are private businesses. They have a right to demand that before entering that you either have a recent negative covid test or are vaccinated.
They have a right and responsibility to open safely for all of their customers.
If you don’t want a vaccine or a negative covid test, you have the option of not going into these places.
If you have to work from home and order food from Amazon that is your option.
Nobody needs to risk getting covid because you don’t want a vaccine or a negative test.TVAP,
It is crazy anti-liberalism run wild that will have people defending the cop every single time that a cop kills an American Citizen.
I can’t fathom their hatred for their fellow Americans, for the rule of law and also for the Torah idea that every citizen is a Tzelem Elokim.It is insanity to say that I side with the violent criminals and hate cops.
I side with the rule of “law and order”. For the sake of Syag, insert a Trump joke here. (Even though Syag and I have a little history of bad vibes which I am sorry about, I mean this to be humorous and I enjoyed her calling me out on adding trump to this topic which has nothing to do with him.)
This circles back to the hypocrisy of the Conservative Christians who say they are pro life (and Jews who post “how can a Jew ever vote for a candidate who wants the government to stay out of abortions”) but once the person is alive, have no problem with a cop killing them. It is twisted logic that says that the cop never needs a real defense.
UJM,
Officers have no leeway to kill people. Show me the law that you are referring to. It does not exist.
The only leeway that officers have is when a jury fails to convict them because people believe like you – that officers should never be held responsible for bad decisions that kill people.ujm,
America is a nation of laws.
According to you, there is no need for any excuse of mistaking a gun for a taser.
The police could have said the truth that they murdered him because he was running away.This will become one of Trump’s 2024 slogan’s. “Police can kill anybody resisting arrest.” “MAGA”
Welcome to the police state of the trump republican’s.
Meanwhile , people who actually attacked the capitol and killed policemen are just a bunch of patriots who never would have thought of doing any harm.
bk613,
“He was saying this before he was pinned to the ground, its on the video.”– Therefore ?
“All this for a fake 20 dollar bill
Misleading. It started because of a fake 20 and escalated to this due to his erratic (quite possibly drug induced) behavior (no, erratic behavior shouldn’t end up with the person dead). ”
– That is exactly what I meant.“IMO, having watched all of the testimony (it’s all on YouTube) the only charge that has merit is 2nd degree manslaughter”.
– We agree again.I have learnt from past trials ( OJ for example) and from a very experienced lawyer that watching a trial is completely worthless in terms of deciding guilt. Watching a video of the crime is similarly worthless.
The jury has a very limited and narrow view of the trial. They are the only ones who have any power.Floyd was already cuffed and in the back of the police car when Chauvin pulled him out and then proceeded to kill him. Floyd was not resisting while Chauvin and two other officers put their knee on his neck, torso and body. The police radioed for code 2 and code 3 medical emergency immediately because Floyd was bleeding from the mouth. Chauvin continued to keep his neck on him for another 7 minutes, 4 minutes after the video shows him going limp. 16 times he told the officers that he can’t breathe. The police checked for a pulse and found none. BUT STILL CHAUVIN DID NOT TAKE HIS FOOT OFF OF HIS NECK.
All this for a fake 20 dollar bill.TVAP,
He was charged with murder, murder and murder. If he is convicted on murder, it will be a successful prosecution.
Both autopsy reports concluded that floyd died due to Chauvin restraining him in a way not consistent with guidelines. Does not matter the exact definition.
Chauvin KILLED him.
The Facist right doesn’t care about the Truth. That is why they have no problem claiming an election was stolen because they lost. “The evidence is coming” was a chant that the idiot lawyers trump hired repeated for months and that was exponentially spread by fox entertainment or it’s fakely name so called ‘news’ personalities. Millions of gullible americans gave trump their money which he basically stole from them. Hundreds of gullible americans are going to jail and are in serious criminal trouble because trump encouraged them to attack congress.
Chauvin will be found guilty because he is a murderer in a blue uniform.
Health,
We are not discussing HOW MUCH American taxpayer dollars are going to the palestinians. Biden definitely increased it. The discussion was on Cherem because the person you voted for sent them money.
The money is being sent for Humanitarian reasons and even Pompeo/Trump was very proud that they sent money.
The UNRWA receives a total funding of over $500,000,000 per year – up to $1,000,000,000 – that America donates only a part of.
It is absurd to consider that all that money goes to Hamas to kill Jews.Lakewhut,
That is a very cavalier attitude with putting Jews into Cherem. Please see the Talmud Bavli in numerous places about what a Cherem is. (IE. The Shvatim put into Cherem anyone who would reveal the story of Yosef and even Hashem did not reveal it .)
The US is not funding Hamas. You know exactly who the US is funding, you just want to twist it to fit your political purpose.
I didn’t hear you last year when Trump gave Hamas (in your language) 5 million dollars.
“The United States has announced it will give $5m to the Palestinians.”
The US ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, a former Trump bankruptcy lawyer, announced the aid package on Twitter, saying he was “very pleased” the US would provide money for Palestinian hospitals and households.
“The USA, as the world’s top humanitarian aid donor, is committed to assisting the Palestinian people, & others worldwide, in this crisis,” he said.
TVAP,
Americans voting for Biden is not fraud. Fact: More people voted Biden than for Trump. In fact, more people voted for Hillary than for Trump.
The Trump/GOP/Powell/Guliani plan of, after losing the election, attempting to disenfranchise TENS OF MILLIONS of American voters by throwing out their votes is a catastrophic FRAUD.
The Trump/GOP plan that is happening across America of ensuring that they win by denying easy access to voting is the real cheating. This is the only way the GOP knows how to win. They can’t win with their stupid ideas of giving Millionaire tax breaks and not giving all Americans Relief during a pandemic. They certainly can’t win with their racism, xenophobia and love for AR15’s.
They can only win by making sure that American’s find it hard to vote.
The future should be that voting is easier and not harder. Voting should be as easy as ordering on Amazon.I hope Sidney and others learn their lesson that lying and defamation do not translate into winning.