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Polygamy in Judaism is basically dead. It’s illegal in America and even Sephardim in America only have 1 wife. In Israel polygamy is also illegal. The only exception is if you were already married to more than 1 wife when you immigrated there. Assuming most came around 1950 and if they were married they were at least 20, today they’d be 90. So the number of people with multiple wives is rapidly dwindling and would soon be totally gone in the Jewish world.

2 Cannibals cooked a clown. One said to the other, “It tastes funny.”

The Zionists also are unnecessarily limiting Lag Ba’Omer in Meron this year. They know what an uplifting experience it is and how much Chizuk people get from it. The Zionists will do anything to drive people away from Yiddishkeit. We should protest and a million Charedim should show up at the same time.

If you can’t have a not Frum coach how can you have not Frum teachers or go to a historical site and listen to the guide? (Though this is probably one reason you don’t want kids to learn secular studies). Maybe weighing the downside of interacting at a young age which is zero against creating positive relationships which payoff in the future the Derech is clear. Unless you believe “They hate us because they hate us” or they’re “jealous” of us; creating trust, understanding and friendship at a young age goes a long way toward things being easier in the future.

Better a community that puts up with Chilul Shabbos and not fraud than one that is Machmir beyond needed in every area but gives the man who commits govt fraud for school funds, welfare fraud, bank fraud or tax fraud an Aliyah on Rosh Hashana and throws him a big party when he gets out of prison.
Syag is correct. Theres no point discussing Yiddishkeit with people who other and denigrate those not like them.
B”H I was sent a video of a sports league run by a (not Frum) community group. Approximately 60-70% of the kids are mainstream Frum kids and the rest are not Frum (or a few not Jewish). The kids are randomly split up, not by Frumness. Almost all the coaches are not Frum. B”H there are mainstream Yeshiotherpe parents that have retained a sense of normalcy. One picture that warms my heart is a Frum boy with a velvet yarmulke and a not Frum coach with long hair talking to him with his hand on his shoulder. Do you think the coach was telling him to not be Frum? Do you think when a Frum and not Frum boy are on the sidelines they’re discussing religion? It’s great seeing Frum and not Frum boys smiling with their arms around each other. It teaches both sides how to get along with each other and will serve them both well in the future.

avira,
You bought into the lie that anyone that’s not Frum lives an empty life full of sin. Do you think a Secular boy is interested in discussing gender instead of sports or dinosaurs or playing cops and robbers (or as your kids play “Talmidei Chachomim and Apikorsim”)? Do you think responsible secular parents hand their kid an ipad with full internet? Young children do as their parents do and want to make their parents proud. That you think kids are having hashkafik arguments in their head shows you don’t understand how children think and learn. I go to a relatives house for Shabbos meals and some of us walk and some of us drive (& park right out front). My kids don’t ask why we walk and others drive, they simply know we walk and others don’t. Do you think these kids won’t be exposed to the outside world as time goes on? But it’s your assumption that kids discuss these things themselves or with other kids that’s wrong. How are there any Frum Chasidish kids in Williamsburg? After all every Shabbos they see people driving down the road. Do they play music Shabbos afternoon because they hear music on Shabbos? Of course not because they understand people live different lives and we live a life of being Shomer Shabbos and they’re proud of it.

The real problem when you get to the stricter end of any religion is you have to “Other” everyone not like you. You know a Secular kid isn’t discussing Yiddishkeit with your kid. The problem is you and his Rebbeim have told him only you live a good life and everyone else are low lifes who spend their lives on drugs and parties. If your kid goes to a Secular house and sees people living a functional, happy, disciplined life of purpose it’ll upend everything you taught him. You can see in the comments who is who. You know the ones that are always attacking and putting down everyone not like them are the super Machmir ones. My Mother (& others) taught me, there are good and bad Chasidim and Yeshivish and MO and not religious. Judge people based on how they act, not how they dress or what they claim to be. The MO serve a purpose because many who are MO would leave Orthodoxy before becoming Charedi. Also, Charedim collect money from the MO and they give even though they know what many Charedim think about them. (Did you ever see a MO collecting in KJ?) So appreciate them for the roll they play. The non-Orthodox give a ton of Tzedaka which benefits the Frum so also appreciate the role they play.

Avira,
I’m not sure where the argument even is. In my OP I said I grew up assuming kids of different backgrounds could go to the same school and play at each others house. When I got older I learned the correct Derech is to place people into different groups based on certain criteria. That’s what you and others keep advocating. So where’s the argument? The bigger question is why do you all at some level feel uncomfortable with it that you feel the need to justify or defend it?

That certainly didn’t happen where I went to school. We were taught every part of Klal Yisrael has a part to play and Yiddishkeit wouldn’t function without them all. There is no one way or correct way. We need Chasidim, we need Yeshivish, and yes we even need Torah im Derech Eretz Yidden. This just goes back to my OP. I thought as a kid all Jews could go to school together, play together, and respect each other. But as nicely or gently as people put it, it’s what I learned as I got older, that people need to divide themselves (or at least their kids) up based on petty little factors. Because since parents don’t know how to impart their Derech Hachaim to their kids in a manner that makes kids proud of it and want to live it they have to make sure their children aren’t exposed to anyone else’s.

UJM,
I don’t know what your talking about. The school never asked if you had a TV. Half the kids did, half the kids didn’t. Half went to movies half didnt. Half wore velvet yarmulkes, half wore Knit. Some went to Pirchei, some went to Bnei Akiva. Some went to Frum camps in the mountains, some went to coed Zionist camps. Some vacationed where there were Frum Yidden and Minyanim, some went to the beach . Some mothers came dressed like Boro Park, some mothers wore pants and no hair covering. We had kids whose father’s were Rebbeim in Yeshivas, we had fathers who were YU anti-Yeshiva types. We all got along and as a general rule the kids came out how they went in. Because Hashkafa comes from the home not the school. The school taught Torah, not Hashkafa. Today, the Chasidish wears a Streimel, the very Yeshivish are Rebbeim, and the Modern Orthodox are…you guessed it, Modern Orthodox. That kids can’t be exposed to kids from different backgrounds is a myth.

So why when I was a kid was tv, (no internet back then), pop culture, and Kashrus non issues? How did the very Yeshivish kid sit next to the kid with a knit Yarmulke and lunch box with the latest tv character on it? How did he end up Yeshivish hearing his classmates discussing the latest mega movie that they saw? How did the Chasidish kid end up Chasidish when the kid next to him from a not very Frum family brought in triangle-K snacks? I’ll tell you how. Because Hashkafa is taught at home. When you bring you children up correctly, exposure to other types of Jews only enhances their Yiddishkeit. But more importantly it creates an Achdus that bears fruit in the future. So many here are judging and often it’s based on exterior factors. The kids from different types when they get older know each from childhood and trust each other. This makes community Shalom and Achdus much easier

Common,
YOU have friends. Do your kids go to the same school? Do kids of the father with veisa zaken go to play (without a parent) at the house of the kids with a knit Yarmulke because their friends like any other kids?

Based on where I grew up I assumed Chasidim, Yeshivish, and Modern Orthodox can get along, Daven at the same Shuls and their kids can go to the same schools and play at each other’s houses. When I got older and was exposed to other communities I learned the correct Derech is to create divisions based on Hats, Yarmulke type, shirt color, and Sheitel length.

That many Jews changed their last names at Ellis Island. This was a universal Jewish myth believed by almost all. But after a thorough investigation it turns out it was extremely rare for it to happen. Jews leaving Europe had to show proper paperwork before boarding the ship. These records were used by the Customs officials to record entry to the US. So whatever name was on your paperwork in Europe is what your name was entering America. (Some people changed their name after arriving here but it didnt happen at Ellis Island)

Whether we like to admit it or not we are also affected by outside culture. Our neighbors religious pictures showed round tablets and it migrated to us. As mentioned above, Cecil B. Demille embedded it into the Jewish and Non-Jewish ethos with his epic masterpiece “The Ten Commandments” Maybe today its different because some are more insular. But almost everyone from the older generation has seen at least parts of it and that’s what they picture when they think of Yitziyas Mizrayim because it was amazingly well done and pretty much keeps to the Torah true version.

Gadolhadorah,
Check out Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland. He’s a 2nd term Republican in a Blue state. Hes always the 1st or 2nd most popular Governor in the nation. He’s a moderate Republican who gets things done. He attracts a lot of Independents and Democrats and could actually win the election.

S. Klein,
You are correct. The IDF should be disbanded and all Frum areas should request the police not patrol their neighborhoods.

Baltimore Shomrim is mostly a mix of Modern Orthodox and Modern Yeshivish with a few from other groups mixed in.

This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. How do you know? The key is to stop viewing it as an American and start looking at it as a Russian. Russia views Ukraine as a dagger pushing deep into aRussia. Russia has been invaded before and wants to make sure it doesn’t happen again. What saved Russia from Napoleon and Hitler? Having the strategic depth making them expend a lot of energy and men just to reach the border of “Real Russia” Putin has 3 options. 1. Take all of Ukraine. 2. Take the regions bordering Russia for at least some strategic depth. 3. Work out a deal like Russia had with Finland. In 1939 they went to war. It cost Russia around a million men. The final deal was Finland can stay a free country as long as Finland goes along with Russia. If you look at history that’s what Finland did. They never thought of joining NATO, turned back from buying weaponry if Russia said no, and didn’t speak badly about Russia. If Putin can convince Ukraine to act like Finland did, that would be a win for him. But what would Putin gain by taking Ukraine and killing millions of people? Absolutely nothing except negatives.

That was not the “Real” reason it was postponed. It was at best an ancillary reason. When a Gadol is Niftar Kavod Hatorah over rides (within reason) rushing the burial. I don’t know why people need to search for a twisted reason why something was a Kiddush Hashem. That hundreds of thousands of people went to the Levaya to show Kavod Hatorah WAS the Kiddush Hashem.

A Modern Orthodox, Yeshivish and big Rosh Yeshiva die at the same time. They’re greeted by an Angel. He says to the modern Orthodox, “You’ve lived a good life. Go to room 22 but be very quiet when you pass room 8.”
Next he tells the Yeshivish man, “You were a big masmid. Go to room 17, but be very quiet when you pass room 8.”
Next he tells the Rosh Yeshiva, “You taught so much Torah. Go to room 12 but be very quiet when you pass room 8.”
The Rosh Yeshiva says, “I understand putting us in different rooms but why do we have to be quiet when we pass room 8?”
The Angel responds, “Because the Chasidim are in room 8 and they think they’re the only ones here.”

You make some valid (and not as valid) points.
Look at history in Asia. There was China, Japan, Russia and the US. There was a balance of power because no one wanted to risk a war weakening themselves to another power. China became a non-power and Japan beat Russia. That left only Japan and the US. The other issue is strategic depth. The US was in the Philippines only a few hundred miles from Tokyo while Japan was thousands of miles from Washington DC. Understandably, Japan didn’t like that. That is why Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. To get the US out of the Pacific. They mistakenly believed America would just walk away and let them have it.
It’s similar to what’s going on here Russia is not OK with NATO in Ukraine being a few hundred miles from Moscow while Russia is well over a thousand miles from (forget Washington) London, Paris, and Berlin.

It’s fine. People panic way to easily especially those who live off the Holocaust. Look at history Chanukah, the Greek Govt, Purim, the Persian govt, Bais Sheni, the Roman govt, Spain, the govt (King), the Nazis, the German govt, the Soviets, the Russian govt. The only time Jews faced a real threat was when it was backed by a powerful govt.
The most famous Pogrom was Kishniev. There were 50,000 Jews living there and 49 were killed. A tragedy yes, but a real threat to Jews, No.
We are having lone attacks (mostly low level like a punch to the back of the head) by mostly mentally I’ll jerks mixed with a few higher functioning ones like Poway or Pittsburgh. The govt does not support encourage or ignore them. Quite the opposite. A Swastika was found where I’m from and local and state police and FBI all investigated. When the govt turns, then start to worry.

@mrbro
Did you read what they did at the train station? Maybe they need to be reprogrammed and brought into the modern world where you don’t hack old ladies to death because you’re having a dispute with her government.

Post pictures of R’ Shayele along the roads. If it works for mice maybe it’ll work for deer.