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Sometimes it feels as if the mods welcome this whole mistake of suspecting someone, and finding him not guilty after a while. Drama attracts viewers/posters, and viewers mean business. Does anyone else share those feelings?
Sam2: The poster abcd2 mentioned that most Poskim say begin with left hand, I don’t know the source, I’ve simply known this all my life.
Jothar, how are you privy to such inside information? Are you a moderator?
Sam2 Most Poskim say to go from left to write when cutting nails. Do they all belong to the French Revolution? Ever considered a history class combined with Messilas Yeshorim?
Lower standards, sell the car.
Shticky guy, I’m sure AYC is moved by your warm words, it’s beautifully written.
Nechomah, I appreciate your post…
Mods, you’re lucky you put a smiley after your comment 🙂
AYC VINDICATED!!!!!!
Start with your left hand two four one three five, then right hand same sequence.
Don’t cut Thursdays, don’t cut hands and feet same day.
Erev Shabbes is for hands.
Don’t throw nails on the floor, pious people burn them, the hamon am (masses) flush them down the toilet.
Well, well, well…
My question to the mods is:
Why did you make a brouhaha BEFORE verifying the facts? Many posters told you to handle this privately and yet you/Jothar chose to go public.
The lesson to be learned is: “A person is innocent until proven guilty”.
I don’t know who this Joseph guy is, and what his crimes are, but your continuous warnings about him, smack of sentationalism. It might attract some posters, but most people are sick of the stalking, hacking, harassing warnings. You make it sound as if there’s a lurker at every street corner.
Caution yes, hyperbole NO!
Thank you for your input Joseph 🙂 – The Mods
Raphael Kaufman, how come the mods let you use your/a real name?
I think there’s great confusion here about victims and stalkers. Those who claim to be victims, could be stalkers, and the alleged stalkers could be victims.
Wikipedia cites key factors in identifying cyberstalking. One of them is:
-Encouraging others to harass the victim. Many cyberstalkers try to involve third parties in the harassment. They may claim the victim has harmed the stalker or his/her family in some way.
Hello “here I come ready or not”
Never seen your name before, are you related to FESTTEcoiffeee?
You both appeared from nowhere, addressed me in a critical manner, and disappeared (blocked).
You asked if I have a job? Well, I could be a kid in school, or a granny in a nursing home. In any event, I’d rather be out of a job, than having your job which is mocking people in a public forum.
What’s an IP address?
We cut left first, because we’re going towards right. Right is our destination, so we start with left and work our way towards right.
Stay tuned, you might read it in the coffee room…
We are already witnessing Ikvei DeMoshiach (Moshiach’s footsteps). We are in golus Yishmael, the last golus…
Jothar, nobody is telling you to leave, so please respect people who differ with you and mods. What else is this coffee room for, if not for exchanging opinions respectfully?
yichusdig, I wish all the mechanchim who preach and brainwash the young boys and girls, would understand your hashkafa, you put it brilliantly.
Don’t trust the mods blindly…
Zeeskite, I’m impressed, you said it beautifully. Let’s see if the mods and/or Jothar can accept the views of the many posters who are not in agreement with them.
Winter Blues (SAD)
Burnout
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS)
Mods, can you explain why you allowed a website with an email (see my earlier post).
BUMP
I would like some reaction to my post.
What’s wrong with a support group?
I thought that nowadays one can get any ou-d product in a chalav Yisrael version. Which product are you craving? I’m sure you could find the equivalent (almost) in perfectly kosher.
MiddlePath, your post could not have been written better. I’m surprised the mods allowed it, because it’s pointing the finger at them.
Smartcookie, you make a lot of sense when you say: “Btw, I was looking through AYC’s post where he writes I’m a kletzky. Looks to me like he meant to say- I am like the Kletzkys, I also had a family tragedy this summer.”
I’m wondering if the name Kletzky is the problem? If someone claimed to belong to the Twerski family would he/she also become a stalking suspect?
Smartcookie, I also agree that mods are not above making poor judgments. I will go even further by saying that mods are not above suspicion. NOBODY should be trusted, chabdehu vechashdehu applies to mods as well.
However, I will never understand what harm was done by AYC when he/she said “I am a Kletzky”. As I said earlier, if it’s true, what harm was done? If it’s a lie, who cares?
What means being a victim?
If someone tries to have contact outside the cr, is it called malicious intent?
I noticed that MiddlePath mentioned a website where he recorded his songs. At that site the singer provides his email address (I’m saying “his” because it’s a male voice), which means that anybody can get in touch with him, and he can potentially be the link for people to connect with each other.
How did the mods permit this?
Has the thread “lounging around in bed” been deleted?
The Torah speaks of an Andreigenish (androgyne)…
If I speak to MY rosh yeshiva, I’m a MALE
We are definitely in Chelm LOL
People talk about loshon hora, mesira, as if we would all know each other. We are numbers, no name, no face.
It reminds me of a Chelmer joke.
The people of Chelm had a list of jokes, and every so often they would get together and tell each other the same jokes over and over again. One day, someone had a *brilliant* idea. Instead of repeating the jokes, which took time, they gave each joke a number, and from then onward they would tell each other jokes by saying a number. The jokes were numbered from 1 to 50. One day someone said “joke number 52”. One person laughed hysterically because he had never heard this joke before! (the joke didn’t exist!).
The nimshal is that in the cr, we are numbers, we don’t exist for each other, and yet people go round saying that number 65 spoke loshon hora about number 82.
Raboisai, it’s a Chelmer joke.
The apostrophe is in the right place, you put the letters in the wrong place LOL
Leave the seminary hunting to your wife, whilst you go kollel hunting.
What happened to becoming an English teacher in Israel?
I still don’t get it (although I’m considered intelligent).
Someone says he/she belongs to a certain family, which could be either true or false. Next thing the person is contacted by YW to prove who he/she is. The person doesn’t like the interrogation and becomes abusive in the private email exchange. Your conclusion: “The person is a fraud”.
I see it as follows:
If he/she is a Kletzky, it’s called revealing personal info (no harm was done)
If he/she is not a Kletzky, it’s called lying (which harm was done?)
Abusive emailing makes a person a chutzpenyak, so what?
Where is the fraud???
BTGuy, Your post to “Hi Jothar” is brilliant. The words obsessed and sociopath fit perfectly.
The mods seem to be encouraging Jothar’s behaviour, which makes me think that he’s one of them, what do you say?
HONESTLY Ice cream or Purim Sameach? LOL
Mod-42 I’m glad you’re amused, so am I…
You have ambition, so don’t call yourself a loser.
There are many Jewish couples who would love to adopt, but there are very few Jewish healthy babies available for adoption.
There are also people who are concerned about Yichud. After a certain age a son cannot remain alone with his mother, and a daughter cannot remain alone with her father.
How did your husband feel about this?
“The Kletzky family that was contacted is concerned about this”
I’m imagining the following scenario:
Mods: Hello, is this the Kletzky family?
Kletzky: Yes it is
Mods: Is Mr or Mrs available?
Kletzky: Who is speaking please?
Mods: I’m calling from Yeshiva World News Online
Kletzky: If this is about Leiby, we’re not giving any interviews
Mods: No no, this is not about Leiby, this is about online stalkers
Kletzky: Hold on…Taa phone call for you
Mr Kletzky: Hello
Mods: Hello, my name is Para ben Noach, I work for Yeshiva World News Online. We have a chat room where anonymous people discuss topics.
Mr Kletzky: What can I do for you?
Mods: One of our posters claims to be related to you
Mr Kletzky: So?
Mods: Maybe it’s true, maybe not
Mr Kletzky: So?
Mods: We’re concerned that this person might be a stalker
Mr Kletzky: What do you want from me?
Mods: Could you find out for me if anyone in your family is posting in our coffee room?
Mr Kletzky: I don’t know what you’re talking about, could you leave me out of this?
Mods: You should be concerned, someone in our coffee room said HE OR SHE IS RELATED TO YOU!!
Mr Kletzky: I don’t know who you are, you are stalking me, goodbye!
smartcookie, you do your name justice, I asked the same question (I’m smart too). Who cares who is related to whom? There’s way too much paranoia going round here about guarding one’s identity. I don’t know Jothar’s connection to Yeshiva World, maybe he owns the place. We understand VERY CLEARLY that YW does not want to be responsible for people meeting through their site, but the Kletzky family will not reveal who is in the coffee room. Fifty people from one family could be here, without anyone being aware of the others. Do I know if my brother, mother, cousin, uncle, nephew, daughter is in the coffee room, I don’t have a clue, and I don’t care to know!
Please stop the paranoia!
Pinkt farkert = the opposite [is true]
ADERABE = your point is valid, so go for it
NU, how do you translate NU?
How would you translate?
-NU
-ADERABE
grada – as a matter of fact
If I say I’m related to Rockefeller, or the Sultan of Brunei or lehavdil the Belzer Rebbe, have I caused any DANGER????
I meant practitioner
Try EFT Emotional Freedom Techniques (founded by Cary Craig)
It treats both the symptoms and the underlying cause of anger. Anger is a result of fear and powerlesness.
You can google EFT and learn the techniques online, join a workshop or go to a practioner. I know of Jewish religious practioners who give both workshops and private sessions.