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In recent months (or maybe weeks), I have avoided
discussing this subject, to avoid endless machlokes.Because sometimes shalom is more important
than being right, or trying to be right.By asking this question, you have risked ruining
a rare De Facto truce on this web site.Sorry about that.
SomeJewIKnow said this on 2026 May 30 at 10:31 PM:
“Moving to Eretz Yisroel is explicitly taught in Torah
as NOT the solution to exile
and NOT a solution to antisemitism.All you are doing is pushing kefira that will not help out anyone.”
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Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky ZTL ZYA said this:“In this land [Eretz Yisrael] … a carpenter is not merely a laborer,
but one fulfilling the mitzvah of building Eretz Yisrael.”SOURCE: Reb Yaakov: The Life and Times of HaGaon
Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky by Yonason Rosenblum,
based on the research of Rabbi Noson Kamenetsky (chapter 11, page 210),
Mesorah Publications, publication dates: February 1993 & January 2004,
ISBN: 0-89906-413-2 (hardcover)
ISBN: 0-89906-415-9 (paperback)__________________________________________
If you doubt that this quote is accurate,
then I invite you to find a copy of the book I quoted,
and turn to the chapter and page that I quoted.
__________________________________________SomeJewIKnow said:
“Moving to Eretz Yisroel is explicitly taught in Torah
as NOT the solution to exile
and NOT a solution to antisemitism.All you are doing is pushing kefira that will not help out anyone.”
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MY RESPONSE:“The Chazon Ish encouraged people from overseas
to settle in Eretz Yisrael as it is a positive commandment,
and he felt that Yiddishkeit was more prevalent
and easier to practice there than in the diaspora.”SOURCE: Rav Chaim: The Life and Legacy of the
Sar HaTorah Rav Shmaryahu Yosef Chaim Kanievsky
(chapter 5, page 56), by Naftali Weinberger,
Mesorah Publications, February 2023 CE,
ISBN-10: 1422632873 * ISBN-13: 978-1422632871
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If you doubt that this quote is accurate,
then I invite you to find a copy of the book I quoted,
and turn to the chapter and page that I quoted.__________________________________________
4 PERSONAL COMMENTS:[1] The Chazon Ish ZTL ZYA encouraged Jews
to make aliyah, even though Israel was ruled
by a Secular Zionist government, at that time![2] The Chazon Ish ZTL ZYA felt that Yiddishkeit
“was more prevalent” in Eretz Yisrael, in his times,
even though Israel was ruled by a Secular Zionists, at that time![3] The Chazon Ish ZTL ZYA felt that it was
“easier to practice” Yiddishkeit in Eretz Yisrael,
even though Israel was ruled by a Secular Zionists, at that time![4] The Secular Zionists in the time of the Chazon Ish ZTL ZYA
[the 1950s CE] were 100 times worse than the Secular Zionists in our time [the 2020s CE].www (dot) chess (dot) com
www (dot) lichess (dot) orgChaim87 said this on 2026 May 27 at 5:57 pm
in a discussion titled:
“YU vs the Greater Yeshiva World“:“I as a Charedi can attest to
working with some of those [YU] graduates.They [YU graduates] are often more ehrlich
and Baalei Halachah than the yeshiva guys.Much more emes people too.
I worked with one who only davened mincha in the office
when he knew he would not make it home on time.
Otherwise of course you daven in shul.He also woke up 5 AM every day and learned till 7. ”
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MY RESPONSE:THANK YOU!!
If a Real Estate Agent shows you a house,
and you do not buy the house,
do you pay the Real Estate Agent?No, you only pay the Real Estate Agent if you buy the house.
Shadchanim are like Real Estate Agents;
they should only be paid if they make a wedding.Many of us struggle financially,
so we do not need is a new system
where shadchanim get paid for every date.Rabbi Chananya Weissman suggested that
shadchanim should pay Jewish singles
$20 per date, to avoid wasting their time
on inappropriate random dates.Avi K said:
Rav Moshe said “… we require miracles exclusively,
so that perhaps the people will recognize that it is God who is doing this.And so, thank God, this has been fulfilled,
and He has produced the victory over Arabs far greater in number,
who also had the assistance of a major empire for their weaponry,
much greater than our state in the Land of Israel, and yet in just four days,
they defeated all of the Arab nations and Egypt,
in the time from Monday to Thursday,
and we hope that He will send the King Messiah soon,
and all Israel will recognize that ‘the Lord is a man of war'” (emphasis mine)__________________________________________
MY RESPONSE:Thank you for your comment.
Which “Rav Moshe” are you talking about?
PLEASE DO NOT assume that we can read your mind.
PLEASE assume that we DO NOT know. Thank you.
You need to give us his complete name. Thank you.
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PLEASE help us, by providing us with an exact source for your quote.
Quotes from famous Rabbis are meaningful,
when you can PROVE that they are accurate,
by providing exact sources for your quotes.Your quote is interesting, but where is it written?
What is the name of the book?
What is the name of the author?
What is the chapter number and page number?
Who published that book and in what year?I thank you very much in advance for answering my question.
Avi K said:
Rav Chaim Shmuelevitz said about the liberation of Yerushalayim:
“I am not a prophet. I am a simple man,
but it is clear to me that were we to have a prophet today,
he would declare: ‘Your throne is established of old!
Praise the Lord, all nations; laud Him, all peoples.
For His mercy is great toward us; and t
he truth of the Lord endures forever. Hallelukah.
The Lord is a man of war, the Lord is His name.’�
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MY RESPONSE:Thank you for your comment.
PLEASE help us, by providing us with an exact source for your quote.
Quotes from famous Rabbis are meaningful, when
you can PROVE that they are accurate,
by providing exact sources for your quotes.Your quote is interesting, buy where is it written?
What is the name of the book?
What is the name of the author?
What is the chapter number and page number?
Who published that book and in what year?I thank you very much in advance for answering my question.
I suggest that someone should use this discussion
to publicize a list of all Torah Software that is available now.This would include all Torah Software that allows searches of:
Tanach with commentaries, Talmud with commentaries,
Midrashim, Mussar books, Halachah books with commentaries,
Rishonim, Acharonim, etc, etc, etc.user176 said:
“HaKatan & UJM:
Would you just zip it already?
Kol haposel b’mumo posel.
Anyone who accuses others of idolatry is likely themselves an idolater.Your words are blasphemous, hateful, and have no place here.
Either act like a Jew or take a hike.
So disgusting, disgracing Talmidei Chachamim and writing-off half of Am Yisrael.”
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PERSONAL COMMENT:Thank you, user176, for your truthful words.
But HaKatan & UJM are writing-off much more than “half” of Am Yisrael.
Sorry about that.
For SomeJewIKnow:
Because you falsely slandered millions of Israeli Jews,
by calling it a “Nazi state” (Motzi Shem Ra),
you will be punished for ALL of the sins of Israeli Jews,
in addition to being punished for your own sins 🙂 🙂In addition, your descendants will be cursed without mercy,
for at least 1,000 generations,
in addition to being declared mamzeirim 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂Laugh now, while you still can,
because when your punishment comes, you will not be laughing.Your Gehinom punishment will NEVER end; not after 10 years,
not after 100 years, and not after 10,000 years 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂GadolHadofi, was that comment sarcasm?
simcha613 said:
“Yes, many secular Zionists wanted
Jewish nationalism to replace Torah.
That ideology is anti-Torah.But Religious Zionism explicitly rejects that.
Religious Zionists believe Eretz Yisrael,
Jewish sovereignty, mitzvos hateluyos ba’aretz,
the army, and national life must be
connected to Torah and halacha – NOT replace them.So why should the kefirah of secular Zionists
be projected onto Religious Zionists who reject that kefirah?”
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MY RESPONSE:Thank you very much for your correct logic.
I had similar thoughts for a long time,
but I did not know how to express them in words.May G*D reward you for speaking the truth.
Tragically, UJM & HaKatan DO NOT CARE
about your logic, no matter how true it is,
and no matter how correct it is.They care ONLY about what their favorite Rabbis said,
and they intentionally ignore everything else,
which they mistakenly believe to be a great act of righteousness.One day, the misguided piety (and stubbornness)
of UJM & HaKatan & those like them will cause
a Jewish Civil War, or another Holocaust, or both.Millions of Jewish lives will be lost.
Countless Jews will be taken hostage and tortured and raped.
Countless Jews will be captured and forced to convert to Islam.
Countless Jews will be stateless & homeless refugees.
Billions of dollars worth of Jewish property will be lost.
Countless synagogues & yeshivahs will be destroyed.That is the endgame of the policies endorsed by UJM & HaKatan.
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547:In a fascinating letter to Rabbi Menachem Porush,
written half a year after Israel’s dramatic victory
in the Six-Day War [in year 1967 CE], Rabbi Sherer
agreed “that what transpired were great miracles.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This short quote proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
disagreed with those who said that Israel’s dramatic victory
in the Six-Day War resulted from the sitra achra (satanic forces)
[for example: the Satmar Rebbe].Rabbi Menachem Porush was a member of Knesset for Agudath Israel
between 1959 and 1975 CE, and again from 1977 until 1994 CE.
The Jewish Press published Rabbi Porush’s articles hundreds of times.from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547:“Such a committee of investigation would have served
as a ploy to unseat Prime Minister Menachem Begin,
for whom both the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah
of America and that of Eretz Yisrael had great respect.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This short quote proves that the Gedolim had
“great respect” for Israel’s Prime Minister: Mr. Menachem Begin,
even though Menachem Begin was the leader of a Secular Zionist state!NOTE: Mr. Menachem Begin was Prime Minister of Israel from June 1977 to October 1983.
for HaLeiVi:
Independence Day, celebrated on July 4th, commemorates
the adoption of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 CE,
which declared the United States free from British rule.This day is marked by celebrations like fireworks,
parades, and family gatherings across the country._______________________________________________________________
According to HaLeiVi’s logic, this day should NOT be a holiday,
because the Declaration of Independence in 1776 CE
caused a war between England and the American states,
in which many people died.On 1983 November 7, Susan Rosenberg and Sue Evans,
both Leftist activists, ignited a BOMB in Washington DC
that tore through the second floor of the Senate building,
as part of an attempt to assassinate Republican Senators.On his last day in office (2001 January 20), President Bill Clinton
(of the Democratic Party) commuted their sentences to time served.
This was almost like a pardon.QUESTION:
Rabbi Moshe Sherer (born 1921 CE, died 1998 CE)
was the President of Agudath Israel.
What did Rabbi Moshe Sherer ZTL ZYA say about the modern State of Israel?__________________________________________
ANSWER:Rabbi Moshe Sherer ZTL ZYA said these
statements about the modern State of Israel:
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from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 13, page 321:“He [Rabbi Moshe Sherer] assured [Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin…
that he could always count on Agudath Israel of America
to be strongly supportive of Israel’s security needs.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 1st quote of 4, which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!NOTE: This conversation occurred in, or close to, year 1975 CE.
Yitzhak Rabin was Prime Minister from June 1974 to June 1977 CE.
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from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 15, page 356:“Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer responded at length.
He pointed out that the opposition to religious umbrella groups
did not preclude Jews joining together on issues as
Israel’s security or combating anti-Semitism.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 2nd quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 545:“Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer’s summary of a confidential
June 17, 1970 [CE] meeting with Israel’s
Ambassador to Washington Yitzchak Rabin
reflects his lifelong approach to Israel’s security needs.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 3rd quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!
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from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 546:The offer of political support Rabbi Sherer made
to Yitzchak Rabin was one he would repeat
on many occasions to Israeli leaders.In a 1981 [CE] letter to Israeli Ambassador Ephraim Efron,
for instance, he described Agudath Israel’s grassroots
constituency as a “reservoir of manpower which is
totally committed to the safety and security of Israel.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This is the 4th quote which proves that Rabbi Moshe Sherer
was deeply committed to Israel’s security, even though Israel
was a Secular Zionist state with Secular Zionist leaders!qwerty613:
In this Coffee Room, the loudest and most persistent
and most confident voices often belong to people
who are brainwashed fanatics.That is very unfortunate, because good people who use facts and logic
get out-shouted or shouted down by the brainwashed fanatical lunatics.If only this Coffee Room had real moderators, then that might be avoided.
But, as you already know very well, the moderators do almost nothing,
and the voices of insanity and hate win, not because they speak truth,
but because they are: stubborn, confident, loud and relentless.Some very intelligent people have publicly taught that
bad men are much more likely to gain positions of power than good men,
for reasons similar to the reasons that I already mentioned.The Neturei Karta and UJM and HaKatan are like insane “Doctors”
who “cure” their patients by prescribing deadly poisons.The problem is not that their patients are not sick;
the problem is that their “cure” is even worse than the disease.May THE G*D OF ISRAEL have mercy on us, and rescue us from all evil.
HaKatan:
No offense intended, sir, but with all due respect, you are disconnected from reality.
You are NOT LISTENING to the comments made in this Coffee Room.
A wise man once said, because it is true, that:
“You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”
When will the Coffee Room moderators issue a clear statement of their rules and policies?
Index Funds perform better than most actively-managed funds.
You must buy-and-hold for the long term,
and resist the temptation to manage your Index Funds.Just buy them, and then forget about them, until you retire.
Always_Ask_Questions said this in
the YWN Coffee Room on 2025 March 25,
in a discussion titled “Three Oaths essay
from Rabbi Avraham Rivlin of Kerem B’Yavneh“:Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky writes in his
Emes Le-Ya’akov Al Ha-Torah (Exodus 12:2 n. 17):“It is incumbent on us to understand that the establishment
of the state of Israel in our day, after the great destruction
and despair that overtook the remnant,
and given the desperate and destroyed status of Russian Jewry,
God caused the establishment of the state of Israel
in order to strengthen the connection to Judaism
and to sustain the link between the Jews in exile and the Jewish nation.”__________________________________________
Always_Ask_Questions said this in
the YWN Coffee Room on 2025 March 25,
in a discussion titled “Three Oaths essay
from Rabbi Avraham Rivlin of Kerem B’Yavneh“:Rabbi Eliyahu Dessler has two relevant letters,
from 1948 [CE] and 1949 [CE], that were published
in Mikhtav Me-Eliyahu, volume 3 pages 349 to 353.He writes that he is hesitant to call the establishment of
the state of Israel and the ensuing military victory
the beginning of the Redemption,
but he considers it a possibility (i.e. a Hopeful Zionist position).He also has harsh words for anyone who refuses to see
God’s miraculous intervention in this,
considering them heretics who reject Divine Providence.“In [year]1948 [CE], after the Arabs attacked
the newly declared Jewish state and soldiers
were falling on the battlefield, several Roshei Yeshivah
taunted Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz] for
having recited the blessing [HaTov VeHaMeitiv].Reb Shraga Feivel turned to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
who agreed with him that the U. N. [United Nations] resolution
[to establish a Jewish State in Eretz Yisrael in year 1948 CE]
was indeed worthy of the blessing.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
the architect of Torah in America (chapter 26, page 331, footnote 3,
heard from Rabbi Nesanel Quinn) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965__________________________________________
PERSONAL COMMENT:PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because he founded Beth Medrash Govoha in Lakewood.PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because he worked day and night to save Jews from The Holocaust.PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because he wrote Shu”t Mishnas R’ Aharon (responsa).PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because he wrote the Mishnas Rabbi Aharon commentary on the Talmud.PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
just because produced many highly distinguished talmidim,
including: Rabbi Shlomo Brevda, Rabbi Moshe Heinemann,
Rabbi Moshe Hillel Hirsch, Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky,
Rabbi Shlomo Miller, Rabbi Yechiel Perr,
Rabbi Gedalia Schorr, Rabbi Elya Svei and many others.qwerty613:
Rabbi Avigdor Miller ZTL ZYA may have been a bigot, sometimes,
but his dedication to studying Torah and teaching Torah was almost super-human.He taught approximately 40 different shiurim every week,
and that was when he was in his 80s!Chareidim cause anti-Semitism by SPITTING on Christian tourists, when they visit Israel.
These incidents have become known to many millions of Christians.
These incidents cause anti-Semitism.
These incidents are a CHILLUL HASHEM
These incidents cause Israel to lose tourism income.
These incidents are ALWAYS done by Chareidim and ONLY by Chareidim.
These incidents are done by Chareidim who will NEVER STOP,
no matter how many times they are asked,
no matter how many times they are corrected,
no matter how many times they are rebuked.