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Several weeks ago, one of the fanatical anti-Zionists
who often comments in this Coffee Room suggested
that the State of Israel could be dismantled peacefully,
because the former Soviet Union (USSR) was dismantled peacefully.The former Soviet Union (USSR) was VERY DIFFERENT from Israel.
The former Soviet Union (USSR) was NOT surrounded by
hundreds of millions of fanatical bloodthirsty terrorists
whose religious beliefs required them to KILL as many Russians as possible.The Soviet Union was NOT surrounded by hundreds of millions
of brainwashed death-cult terrorists whose religious beliefs
required them to commit genocide by killing ALL Russians.In others words, the former Soviet Union (USSR) could be
dismantled peacefully, because they were NOT surrounded
by countless millions of relentless bloodthirsty terrorist enemies,
like Israel is.Peaceful dismantlement is NOT POSSIBLE for Israel, because
of the hundreds of millions of fanatical bloodthirsty terrorists
whose religious beliefs required them to KILL as many Jews as possible.Peaceful dismantlement is NOT POSSIBLE for Israel,
because of the hundreds of millions of brainwashed
death-cult terrorists whose religion requires them
to commit genocide against Jews by killing ALL Jews.Yankel Berel:
PLEASE say “Pikuach Nefesh” because not everyone knows what “P / N” is.
THANK YOU!!
Babylonian Talmud, tractate Sanhedrin, page 72A:
“If you see someone coming to kill you, then arise and kill him first.”
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PERSONAL COMMENT:In our time, Hamas and Hezbollah and Houthis are coming to kill us.
For Jews to arise and kill them first is not merely permitted,
it is required by Torah Law.Rambam, Hilchot Shabbat, chapter 2, paragraph 23:
[The following rules apply] when gentiles lay siege to Jewish cities:
If their intent was financial gain, then Shabbat laws should not
be violated because of them, nor are we allowed to wage war against them.If a city is located near the border, however,
we should march against them with weapons and wage war against them,
even when they are [merely] demanding hay or straw.In any location, if the gentiles’ intent was [to harm] Jewish lives,
or if they engaged in battle with a city or laid siege to it,
without stating a specific intention, we must wage war against them
and the Shabbat laws should be violated because of them.It is a mitzvah for every member of the Jewish people
who can come [to their assistance] to go out and help their brothers
who are under siege and save them from the gentiles [even on] Shabbat.
It is forbidden to delay until after Shabbat.After they [the Jewish soldiers] saved their brothers,
they [the Jewish soldiers] may return home with their weapons
[even] on Shabbat, so that a dangerous situation will not be created in the future.Shulchan Aruch, chelek Orach Chaim, Siman 329, Sif 6:
עכו”ם שצרו על עיירות ישראל אם באו על עסק ממון אין מחללין עליהם את השבת
באו על עסק נפשות ואפי’ סתם יוצאים עליהם בכלי זיין ומחללים עליהם את השבת
ובעיר הסמוכה לספר אפילו לא באו אלא על עסקי תבן וקש מחללין עליהם את השבת
הגה ואפילו לא באו עדיין אלא רוצים לבא [א”ז]:(6) Regarding non-Jews who besiege Jewish cities:
If they come for money, we do not desecrate the Shabbat [to protect ourselves],
but if they came to kill or come with no presented reason,
we go out with weapons and desecrate the Shabbat.In a city that is near the border, even if they just come for straw or hay,
we desecrate the Shabbat.Rem”a: Even if they haven’t come but they want to come (Or Zarua).
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FULL DISCLOSURE:
This is not my English translation;
I just copied it from www (dot) sefaria (dot) com.
____________________________________________________________________________CONCLUSION:
Those who say that are not permitted to “physically fight the enemy”
[like “SomeJewIKnow”] are contradicting the Shulchan Aruch and Rambam.____________________________________________________________________________
PERSONAL COMMENT:
A few weeks ago, “SomeJewIKnow” falsely slandered me,
on this web site, and in this Coffee Room, by falsely claiming
that I think that women should be Gedolei Torah.I NEVER believed that, and I NEVER said that,
and I NEVER said anything similar to his false slander against me.A few weeks ago, “SomeJewIKnow” falsely slandered me,
on this web site, and in this Coffee Room, by falsely claiming
that I think that believers in J—– should be Gedolei Torah.I NEVER believed that, and I NEVER said that,
and I NEVER said anything similar to his false slander against me.SomeJewIKnow does not know Halachah, and he is a Baal Motzi Shem Ra.
UJM just said something that I agree with 100%.
Will miracles never cease?
Maybe mashiach really is coming soon!
Yankel Berel, over the past two years, I have noticed many times
that fanatical anti-Zionists like HaKatan, UJM and SomeJewIKnow
ignore logic and facts that they cannot refute.They are totally stubborn and brainwashed, and they cannot be
reasoned with. We cannot ignore the possibility that they are
being paid by Iran or Hamas or Hezbollah, to constantly attack Israel.They also tell many lies: lies against Israel, lies against secular Zionists,
lies against religious Zionists, and lies against people who disagree with them.HaKatan, UJM and SomeJewIKnow are not merely Baalei Lashon HaRa;
they are Baalei Motzi Shem Ra, and they did it many times.___________________________________________________________________
Anyone who wants to take possessions from one Jew,
and give his possessions to goyim, he is a MOSER.The anti-Zionists want to take away take possessions
from 8,000,000 Jews and give them to Muslims.
This makes the anti-Zionists MOSER 8,000,000 times.___________________________________________________________________
Anyone who endangers the life of one Jew is a RODAIF.The anti-Zionists want to endanger the lives of 8,000,000 Jews.
This makes the anti-Zionists RODAIF 8,000,000 times.
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What is the punishment for being a MOSAIR 8,000,000 times?
What is the punishment for being a RODAIF 8,000,000 times?
The most recent Rebbe of Chabad / Lubavich
(Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson)
was strongly opposed to Israel giving away
ANY land, even “in exchange for peace”.Given the choice between Eretz Yisrael ruled by Secular Zionists,
and Eretz Yisrael ruled by Arabs or Muslims,
Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson strongly preferred
that Eretz Yisrael be ruled by the Secular Zionists.He would have VERY VERY strongly opposed UJM’s
insane plan to “peacefully”dismantle the only Jewish State.Chabad / Lubavitch was originally anti-Zionist,
but then they later became pro-Zionist.I do not know when or why Chabad
changed from anti-Zionist to pro-Zionist.But I know that they did make that change.
Recent news reports say that 1.4 million (1,400,000)
ILLEGAL ALIENS are receiving Medicare health benefits,
AT THE EXPENSE OF AMERICAN TAXPAYERS!!.Recent news reports say that 7 million (7,000,000)
ILLEGAL ALIENS are receiving Social Security payments,
AT THE EXPENSE OF AMERICAN TAXPAYERS!!The Democrat Party has ZERO mercy for the taxpayers.
PLEASE, never vote for ANY member of the Democrat Party!!
NEVER!! NEVER!! NEVER!!
Dear Mr. “Some Jew I Know”,
Let me get this straight.
Anyone who disagrees with you is guilty
of “kefira” and trying to “destroy yiddishkeit”?If the Rabbis of the Talmud had taken that
attitude towards each other, then the Talmud
never could have been written!You, and the other anti-Zionists, are very eager
to accuse people who disagree with you of
major sins like “kefira” and “destroying yiddishkeit”
and worshiping idols, yet you seem to not understand
that big accusations require big proof and big evidence,You are much too eager to accuse people who disagree
with you of committing major sins with little or no evidence.If I wanted to, I could bring many proofs that the
anti-Zionists are guilty of kefira.But unlike you, i am not eager to accuse people
who disagree with me of kefira or idol-worship.Constantly accusing those who disagrees with you
of major sins like “kefira” and “destroying yiddishkeit”
and worshiping idols, will not lead to teshuvah;
it will lead to a Jewish Civil War, with Jews
shooting at each other and killing each other.I know that you will NEVER LISTEN to anything I say,
but I had to try, so I can tell the Beth Din Shel Maalah that:“I tried to warn them, but they refused to listen.”
Sincerely,
SQUARE_ROOTUJM said:
“YU never produced a single godol in all its history.”
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DaMoshe said:“Joe, now you’re just flat-out lying. R’ Hershel Schachter,
R’ Mordechai Willig, and R’ Aharon Soloveichik
are a few that immediately come to mind.”———————————————————-
MY RESPONSE:Add to that list Rabbi Pinchas Scheinberg,
who graduated from Yeshivah University
and got semichah from Yeshivah University.ArtScroll / Mesorah published his biography
in year 2013 CE, and ArtScroll only
publishes biographies of Charedi gedolim.DaMoshe, you should understand how UJM thinks:
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In his world, ONLY Chareidi Rabbis can be Gedolim.In his world, ONLY anti-Zionist Rabbis can be Gedolim.
Any Rabbi who is not Chareidi will NEVER be recognized
as a Gadol by UJM, even if his knowledge of Torah
is greater than that of Rabbi Moshe Feinstein ZTL ZYA.Any Rabbi who is not anti-Zionist will NEVER be recognized
as a Gadol by UJM, even if his knowledge of Torah
is greater than that of Rabbi Yisroel HaLevi Belsky ZTL ZYA.———————————————————-
Everything that I said about UJM is equally true
of HaKatan and Mr. “Some Jew I Know”.from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547, footnote 9:When Rabbi Porush conveyed these sentiments to
Rabbi [Elazar] Shach, the latter responded,
“We must pray for the health of [Prime Minister Menachem] Begin.PERSONAL COMMENT:
This short quote proves that Rabbi Elazar Shach ZTL ZYA prayed
for Israel’s Prime Minister: Mr. Menachem Begin, “constantly”,
even though Menachem Begin was the leader of a secular Zionist state!This discussion was started by YWN’s biggest TROLL,
for the specific purpose of TROLLING.If the moderators of this Coffee Room did their jobs correctly,
this discussion would never have been approved,
and even now, this discussion should be deleted by moderators.from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547:“Such a committee of investigation would have served
as a ploy to unseat Prime Minister Menachem Begin,
for whom both the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah
of America and that of Eretz Yisrael had great respect.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This short quote proves that the Gedolim had
“great respect” for Israel’s Prime Minister: Mr. Menachem Begin,
even though Menachem Begin was the leader of a Secular Zionist state!__________________________________________
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547, footnote 9:When Rabbi Porush conveyed these sentiments to Rabbi Shach,
the latter responded, “We must pray for the health of
[Prime Minister Menachem] Begin.Please phone [Menachem] Begin immediately and
tell him that I [Rabbi Shach] pray for him constantly.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This short quote proves that Rabbi Shach ZTL ZYA prayed for
Israel’s Prime Minister: Mr. Menachem Begin, “constantly”,
even though Menachem Begin was the leader of a secular Zionist state!
__________________________________________Why are you directing a serious Halachic question to this Coffee Room?
Why not ask an Orthodox Rabbi?
19812262 said:
“Just keep davening, and the the evil State of Israel will cease to exist.”
NOTE: I had to correct Mr. 19812262’s spelling of simple words.
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MY RESPONSE:
“The evil State of Israel” is the ONLY country in the world
where the percentage of Jews who intermarry
with non-Jews is less than 50%.“The evil State of Israel” is the ONLY country in the world
where the number of Jews is actually increasing.That is the state you call “evil”
That is the state that you want to “cease to exist”.=========================================
Similarly, he [Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky] concluded, recognition of
Israel’s role in preventing millions of Jews
from losing any connection to the Jewish people
must mitigate our kana’us, even as
our love for our fellow Jews in Eretz Yisrael
must “not blind us to [their] shortcomings.”SOURCE: Reb Yaakov: The Life and Times of HaGaon
Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky by Yonason Rosenblum,
based on the research of Rabbi Noson Kamenetsky (chapter 11, page 209),
Mesorah Publications, publication dates: February 1993 & January 2004,
ISBN: 0-89906-413-2 (hardcover)
ISBN: 0-89906-415-9 (paperback)=========================================
Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky said this:
“In this land [Eretz Yisrael] … a carpenter is not merely a laborer,
but one fulfilling the mitzvah of building Eretz Yisrael.”SOURCE: Reb Yaakov: The Life and Times of HaGaon
Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky by Yonason Rosenblum,
based on the research of Rabbi Noson Kamenetsky (chapter 11, page 210),
Mesorah Publications, publication dates: February 1993 & January 2004,
ISBN: 0-89906-413-2 (hardcover)
ISBN: 0-89906-415-9 (paperback)=========================================
from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 13, page 321:“He [Rabbi Moshe Sherer] assured [Prime Minister] Rabin…
that he could always count on Agudath Israel of America
to be strongly supportive of Israel’s security needs.”=========================================
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 15, page 356:“Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer responded at length.
He pointed out that the opposition to religious umbrella groups
did not preclude Jews joining together on issues as
Israel’s security or combating anti-Semitism.”=========================================
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 545:“Rabbi [Moshe] Sherer’s summary of a confidential
June 17, 1970 [CE] meeting with Israel’s
Ambassador to Washington Yitzchak Rabin
reflects his lifelong approach to Israel’s security needs.”=========================================
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 546:The offer of political support Rabbi Sherer made
to Yitzchak Rabin was one he would repeat
on many occasions to Israeli leaders.In a 1981 [CE] letter to Israeli Ambassador Ephraim Efron,
for instance, he described Agudath Israel’s grassroots
constituency as a “reservoir of manpower which is
totally committed to the safety and security of Israel.”=========================================
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547:“Such a committee of investigation would have served
as a ploy to unseat Prime Minister Menachem Begin,
for whom both the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah
of America and that of Eretz Yisrael had great respect.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This short quote proves that the Gedolim had
“great respect” for Israel’s Prime Minister: Mr. Menachem Begin,
even though Menachem Begin was the leader of a Secular Zionist state!=========================================
from from the ArtScroll History Series biography
of Rabbi Moshe Sherer, chapter 22, page 547, footnote 9:When Rabbi Porush conveyed these sentiments to Rabbi Shach,
the latter responded, “We must pray for the health of
[Prime Minister Menachem] Begin. Please phone [Menachem]
Begin immediately and tell him that I pray for him constantly.”PERSONAL COMMENT:
This short quote proves that Rabbi Shach ZTL ZYA prayed for
Israel’s Prime Minister: Mr. Menachem Begin, “constantly”,
even though Menachem Begin was the leader of a secular Zionist state!=========================================
PS: If you doubt that my quotes are accurate,
then I invite you to find a copies of the books that I mentioned,
and turn to the chapter numbers and page numbers that I mentioned.
You will then see with your own eyes that my quotes are 100% accurate.The books that I quoted can be purchased from:
www (dot) ArtScroll (dot) com
www (dot) ebay (dot) com
www (dot) amazon (dot) com=========================================
In a conversation with the Satmar Rav, shortly after
his talk on the U.N. declaration, Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz]
was subjected to the sharpest criticism for his “Zionist leanings.”Later he told his family,
“I could have answered him [the Satmar Rav]
Chazal for Chazal, Midrash for Midrash,
but I did not want to incur his wrath,
for he is a great man and a tzaddik.”He added with a twinkle, “And besides, he has a fiery temper”…
SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
the architect of Torah in America(chapter 26, page 335 to 336)
by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001 CE,
based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965
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PERSONAL COMMENT:Maybe the real reason why Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz
feared to disagree with the Satmar Rebbe about Eretz Yisrael
was because the Satmar Rebbe screamed like
a maniac whenever he mentioned Zionism?
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PERSONAL COMMENT:Maybe the real reason why Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz
feared to disagree with the Satmar Rebbe about Eretz Yisrael
was to avoid getting attacked and beat-up by Satmar Chassidim?
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Both of these possibilities have already been mentioned
in this Coffee Room, and several times, and not by me.I am NOT Chananya Weissman
Chananya Weissman lives in Eretz Yisrael.
I live far away from Eretz Yisrael.
We are not the same person!
PS: The lunatic who started this stupid worthless discussion
did not even spell Chananya Weissman’s name correctly.The moderators should delete this entire stupid worthless
discussion, which was started by a lunatic who is hopelessly
addicted to laitzanus [mockery], which violates Torah law.