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My Rebbe told me all Yidden back then were Heilige Yirei Shomayim. Of course they would of enthusiastically followed the Daas Torah of Bais Din.
In most cultures it was used as a sign of peace. Most people are right handed and carried a sword. By extending an empty right hand you were showing you meant them no harm. By responding with your empty right hand you showed you were also not a threat.
No-one dies right there from emotional abuse. Kids have died from physical abuse
To honor him they should replace the Statue of Liberty with a Trump Casino. When immigrants arrive they’ll see the true America. Bright flashing lights and gamblers being loaded with alcohol so they don’t care as they lose thier paychecks.
BaltimoreMaven,
First, Don’t count your chickens. Har Sinai, Oheb Shalom, Balt. Hebrew, Chizuk Emuna and many others aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Second, Don’t knock them. The political, social and financial assistance they provide to the Frum community is tremendous. The Frum community wouldn’t be 20% of what it is without their past and current help.As to what’s going on with the building. Har Sinai and Oheb Shalom are merging and at least for now will be using Oheb Shaloms site on Park Heights across from Baltimore Hebrew Congregation. So it seems they sold the building to someone that’s turning it into a wedding hall.
I’m not sure about the having to pay membership part as there’s no Frum Shul out there and it wouldn’t work well for people who don’t drive on Shabbos since it’s pretty rural.Midwesterner made a good point. It was much talked about in baltimore a few years ago. When a long-time Baltimore family makes a wedding in Lakewood to save money, their local friends and family greatly resent it. While the Host saves money his guests need to lay out a lot to drive there, take off work early, get home in the middle of the night and be exhausted the next day, and spend 6 hours in a car. All so the Host can save some money.
Based on the last real poll (2010) it’s assumed today there are 25-30,000 Jews that identify as Orthodox in Baltimore.
The main reason is the Yeshiva and girls schools don’t produce enough compatible people. A lot of girls won’t settle for less than the “Perfect” Yeshiva guy. While the Yeshivas don’t produce enough of them. Look at the Dear Shadchan letters. The girl that refused a second date because in the car (only) while driving he took off his hat. Or the girl that found the perfect guy til she found out ONE SEDER he went to get pizza. The boys come out anywhere from want to work, might want to work, “Cool” Yeshivish, to Super Yeshivish. The girls are taught to not “settle” for anything less than Super Yeshivish and enough simply aren’t being produced.
If you goto Home Depot also buy a tarp. If the wood gets rained on you have a problem with Gebrokts.
Because people realized it wasn’t such a good thing. Especially today, where kids take longer to mature, parents and Rabbonim realized that these kids missing out on seeing parents interact, interacting with siblings and family, attending local family Bar Mitzvahs and Kiddaishim, etc, was doing more harm than good.
Did anyone used to change their cars oil by letting it drain into the storm drain? No-one would do it today. Remember not buckling in kids? Or the person driving carpool smoking?
Times change. We’ve adjusted to many changes the past few decades. I think we’ll figure out how to survive without plastic bags.You shouldn’t confuse the Black/Jew and Jew/Democrat telationships. There were 2 competing Black Civil Rights movements going on. The one led by MLK and the one led by Malcolm X. and Stokely Carmichael (the children of this movement are Farakkan and Sharpton). X/Carmichael weren’t so much Antisemitic, they just viewed MLK as an “Uncle Tom” who was selling out the Blacks for a few crumbs. Since Jews supported MLK, it made sense they weren’t in love with Jews. As the Black movement became more militant they didn’t care for having Jews around. They also wanted to accomplish things on their own. Jews did the same thing, you can hear MLK speak about it. As much as we like to think Jews were so supportive of Blacks the fact is when the Blacks moved in the Jews took off. That’s where you see all these poor Black areas today that “Used to be Jewish” They saw the Jews as gaining much more from the Civil Rights movement and living in nice neighborhoods while Blacks were still stuck in the Ghetto, which was primarily owned by Jews who didn’t always do the best job taking care of the properties. From the Jewish side there was the issue of Affirmative Action. It was hard enough for Jews to get into good universities. With spots reserved for Blacks, this made it even harder for Jews to get in. Many Jews resented this and a lot of the money they were giving to the Black movement dried up.
The Black/Jewish relationship is quite complicated with many twists and turns. It’s easy to say Jews supported MLK and the Blacks so they should like and appreciate us, but if you really understand history, it’s hardly that simple.Maybe they should of been impeached, may be not. That has no bearing on Trumps impeachment. Nor does it prove this impeachment is a sham.
A friend of mine told me the following story. He had brought Tzedakah money in a small bag to give to someone at the Situm. He needed to use the rest room but realized he had a small Tehillim in the bag for protection. He left the bag outside the door. When he came out it was gone. He decided all is in the Abeshters hands so he sat down to listen to the Divrei Toyrah. About a half hour later his phone vibrated (No text and turnt of ring to not disturb others). A Malach had found the bag. Not wanting to miss any Toyrah he asked the tzadik to bring it to him. 10 minutes later the Tzadik
shows up. He counted the money and it was all there. The Malach said to give any reward he would have given to a Kollel Yungerman! Mi Ke’amcha Yisoel!We Jews think we’re so smart when in fact we can be so dumb. The Liberal NYC gov’t is tired of Chasidim and want them gone. They can’t evict them outright, but can “encourage” them to leave.
Many Chasidim are into real estate. By passing onerous laws against landlords it discourages new investments and keeping properties.
By not responding forcefully to low-level attacks and allowing criminals to be released without bail, Chasidim are scared and move elsewhere and certainly don’t want to move TO NYC.
By promoting Gay marriage, LGBTQ, Transgender, and every other immorality, it causes Chasidim not to want to raise their kids in NYC.
By not allowing for affordable housing for young families, it encourages Chasidim to look elsewhere.
Everyone talks about how they see a lot less kids in NYC Shuls than in the past.
The Chasidic communities in Lakewood and Monsey are experiencing explosive growth.
The grandparents will sell their homes to retire and move near their grandchildren (outside of NYC).
Russia did the same thing. By not stopping Pogroms and making it economically difficult, 2.5 million Jews left in a few decades.
Give it a few decades and Boro Park and Williamsburg will be Judenfrei.
Deblasio isn’t so dumb after all, Is he?Relax, Moshiach isn’t coming anytime soon. Frum Jews are being attacked in NY and there’s no organized effort to work on it. Each sub-group is too busy bad mouthing each other and unwilling to give up any of their Kavod.
The Bais Hamikdash was destroyed because of Sinas Chinam. If it’s not rebuilt in your time it’s as if you destroyed it. With the level of Sinas Chinam today does anyone honestly believe Moshiach could come and the Bais Hamikdash rebuilt? Keep building big houses. The way things are today, you have plenty of time before Moshiach comes.If you live in the Frum world requiring background checks for private sales or transfers seems a no brainer. Imagine this scenario, (forget halacha for a minute) which happens countless times all over America.
Yanky and Shimi live next door to each other for 20 years and are Chavrusas in Kollel. Their kids go to school together. They’re always at each others house.
Every year, Yanky goes hunting with his chevra in Montana.
He’s catching a 6am flight Sunday morning. As he’s checking his gun Motzei Shabbos, he sees something he doesn’t like. Should he be able to borrow Shimis gun? There’s no place to go to do a transfer before the flight. So basically Yankys big trip is ruined because Shimi is not sure if Yanky may be a criminal so he can’t transfer his gun. This and similar situations occur all the time. A rich doctor and lawyer who collect guns, everytime one wants to sell one to the other they need to drive 30 miles to town to fill out paperwork and pay a fee? That’s the problem people have with requiring background checks on private transfers.Does anyone read anything that doesn’t perfectly align with what they want to hear?
Last year a Yeshiva moved in and quickly stopped paying rent.
8 Yeshivas and 2 days schools discussed it with them. When a Yeshiva offered close to the asked rent, they seriously considered it. When they asked the Yeshiva to put down a deposit, the Yeshiva refused.
Along came the Charter school. They agreed to the rent, are investing 3-4 million in improvements, and signed contracts.
Would any Frum institution not do the same thing they’re doing?Philosopher
Seriously, Jews are a light into the nation’s when we vote for politicians that promote family values?
How many wives has Trump had? How many immoral scandals has he been caught up in?
We and the Evangicals accept him despite his immoral flaws, we all know about.
Could anyone with Trumps history become a Gadol Hador?
Yet, most of the frum velt has declared him to be Moshiach.I know a family of choshuv tzadikim that exposed their children to the outside world. The first one had a child go OTD. The child that stayed didn’t learn from it and also had a son that went OTD. His son that stayed had a bunch of sons that went far away to live amongst and interact with non-Jews.
In the long run their descendants turned out fine.
For privacy I won’t give their last name. But their first names were Avraham, Yitzchok, and Yaakov.They have gotten more machmir. But even if they haven’t they certainly haven’t become less machmir.
So if their low divorce rate is due to the same or stricter levels of gender seperation and Tznius.
Why has their divorce rate increased greatly over the last 5-10 years?Maybe it is the MO lifestyle, maybe its parts of it. A smart person would study it before making assumptions.
Maybe it is because of gender seperation and Tznius.
But, The Chassidish world has only gotten more machmir about gender and tznius over the last few years (separate streets on Y”T), yet the rate of divorce among Chassidim has gone up tremendously during this same time.
Smart people think before they act. If the reason its rising has nothing to do with gender seperation isnt it negligent, to assume that and not focus on finding out the real reason?It’s great when people with no idea how science works start stating facts.
Who says the Chassidish divorce rate is lower because of the gender seperation?
Could it be possible be that a 28yr old MO woman with a Masters degree, making $100k and 2 kids have an easier time deciding to leave?
How much harder is it for a 28yr old Chassidish women with barely a H.S. education, making $22k, and 6 kids to leave?
Everythings not black and white. Some leave over the slightest issue. Some leave when it’s hard, and some wait til it’s very difficult to stay in the marriage.
Maybe Chassidim have fewer divorces because they, due to the difficulty of living as a Chasid after a divorce, have a lot higher tolerance for staying in a bad marriage?Thank you for giving me the chance to make a Shechianu.
I never thought I’d live to see the day when Yidden would discuss whether to invite a lonely person for a meal because of tznius.
Hashem is looking down so proudly.
The only positive is that anyone who wouldn’t have her is not someone she would enjoy eating at anyway. Hashem has a way of making things work out.While it is your child that only goes so far.
You can’t raise a kid in a burned out abandoned house with no heat water or electric and feed them half a burger once in a while and claim it’s your right. The govt can take them away (your ownership of the child is not absolute).
It’s also why you can’t just privately adopt a child. You must do it through the govtWhat does FB have to do with Half Shabbos (HB)?
Why is it called HB? If a child eats Treif where the public will know aren’t they called OTD?
HB is a new category. The kids, Rabbonim, & therapists call them HB and not OTD. The difference is (while some are on the way to OTD and texting is a stop along the way), these kids WANT to live a frum life. They like Shabbos and community and Yeshiva. They want to marry frum and raise frum kids that go to Yeshiva.
These kids will not drive to a movie on Shabbos, nor do they want to.
They “ONLY” (yes, it’s hard to comprehend for someone whi grew up in the 70s, 80’s, 90s when it was much harder to be frum and there was much more exposure to the outside world, yet would never think of being Michallel Shabbos) text on Shabbos.
Most give it up after their year in Israel and especially when they get married. This HB story broke 8 years ago. They are now adults. Where are all the frum married yidden walking to shul on shabbos texting?
There are many serious issues going on in the frum velt. But, let’s not confuse the issues. HB is only about texting. It has nothing to do with FB, eating treif, or mixed dancing.If a person converts under false ideas or unaware of reality there’s a real question whether the Gayrus is Kosher.
The Yiddishkeit of today is very different than the past.
3 things you should know so you can convert in truth and reality and with a full heart.
1. Unlike Avraham, Onkolos, R’ Akiva, or Raish Lukish, no matter how big a Talmud Chacham you become you will never attain the status of a respected Gadol.
2. No matter how much your children are Masmidim with the finest Middos, they will never get into the best schools.
3. No matter if you’ve been a true Erliche Ben Torah for 20 uears. Your children will get 2nd and 3rd tier Shiddichim.
I’m not trying to Ch’V disuade you. You should just be able to enter with a full heart and understanding.No-one told me “WE” became Socialists. Please post your address so I know where to send my paycheck.
When YOU decide whats appropriate for me to spend and on what please mail my check to:
Yankel Weiss
613 Torah Ave.
Jew York, Jew YorkThe name actually means big city or villiage in Romanian.
It’s funny you mentioned Strauss and not much benefit. Strauss was not appointed because of “Jews” and “Commerce” It was because Ellis Island was under the Dept. of Commerce. This was a time when tons of Russian Jews were fleeing persecution and looming wars. With Strauss in charge the officers had the attitude of making it work. Not denying a Jew entry over a petty little typo or a missing minor document. Hundreds of thousands (it may have been over a million) of Jews came here under these favorable conditions. One Yom Kippur Strauss didn’t show up in shul. When asked where he was he said he had to go to work to prevent the deportation of 7,000 Russian Jews.
This is just 1 example of how having Jews in high places can provide tremendous benefit to the Jews community.Shout out to Teddy Roosevelt, he was a real mensch.
I am an outsider that’s fascinated by the frum community and its culture. I questioned whether this will be posted but based on the other posts it seems y’all are somewhat open minded.
Here’s my take on this situation. When a community puts on major event its a reflection of who they are and what they stand for. I see 4 categories of people attending this event. Lets break them down starting at the bottom.
“The Lowest of the Low”-These are the learners, the Baal Habatim. The ones who killed themselves for 7.5 years by getting up at 5:30 in the morning to learn Torah. They wait in security lines and are seating on small cold hard seats distant from bathrooms and other amenities. They sit for hours in a freezing cold (January in NY?) stadium where they were charged a decent amount to attend and for many its simply to expensive to bring their wife and and children to partake in their simcha.
The “Low”-These are the Magid Shuir. The ones who for 7.5 years taught huge amounts of Torah. They stayed up late preparing the shuirim and missed simchas to give the shuir. The are classed with the lowest. They wait in line with them, sit in uncomfortable chairs and freeze.
The “Middle-These are the Gedolim. The Chassidish Rebbes and Litvish Roshei Yeshiva. They are honored for being Talnedia Chachomim who are leading the community in doing the Ratzon H-shem. They oversee this whole idea and push it and encourage their followers to learn. They are given free tickets, escorted though security and given better chairs with more elbow room and a bottle of water. But they still sit in the cold and far from amenities (yes, Rebbes also need to use the bathroom once in a while).
The “High”-Not sure how an “outsider” would have detailed access to how much or little learning anyone has done. I don’t think “being open” is equal to allowing motzei shem ra. Perhaps you can rethink your point and post it differently.
Back to the subject. Lets be honest. This is a political move to i stall the next “Gadol Hador” that will lead in the future. How come noone heardod him or considered him a Gadol until now? Giving out “cards” showing his yichus? Convenient timing for the cards. How does everyone not see whats so transparent? I thought the yeshiva community was smart and aware to not be taken for a ride. If this is the sophistication of the community I have to get to work because ill be able to rob it blind. Hows really running this? Whos calling him the Gadol Hador? Did R’ Moshe become GH by us being told so or did e eryo e recognize his greatness in their own? Whose pushing his name out there? Whose giving out the cards? Think people, think.
We’re all Hungarian. My father didn’t go out and buy one but when he ended up with an extra chandelier he put it in the bedroom. Did look a little weird having it in a normal size bedroom. Bit still none in the bathroom.
I think its a lack of concern. My kids school is between Modern Yeshish and MO. Bar Mitzva kids need to wear a hat during Davrning in school yet most have TV’s, I’d say all have internet at home, no filters on smart phones, etc.
The reason for lack of concern is the kids would score grades higher than public school kids on testing (my kids already takes standardized testing i believe its called the iowa test. Plus their grduation rates from college and low level of welfare usage. So we dont think they’ll go after these schools as they’d look foolish doing so. And if a lawsuit arose, again the states arguments would look foolish and the schools would have the data to back up that guidelines arent necessary.Its that the MO will be able to make a strong argument that they’re not neccesary. They’ll have the data to back up high levels of proficiency, high college graduatuon rates, and low welfare usage.
Hashalem613. What am I missing? If all the orthodox teachers quit they’ll be forced to give in. Why?