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Both. There are undoubtedly those who set aside a specific amount for tzedakah and will give no more and no less.
There are also undoubtedly those who don’t have a specific amount to give, and good marketing and PR will coax more money out of them than they would otherwise give.
What’s your favorite?
And Sam, I am vigorously contending that there remains an unwritten mesorah.
I am not even sure I would say “usually”. Rashbam and Rabbeinu Tam often differ with their grandfather Rashi. And Rambam was in a direct line of talmidim from the Rif, yet often disagreed.
Compare how similar the baalei tosafos are with each other, as opposed to with the Chachmei Sefared, for instance, and vice versa. Also, you’ll never find a talmid always agreeing with his rebbe, and those differences will be magnified in each subsequent generation, especially when there were multiple rebbeim. Still, the relative similarity still speaks of an oral tradition.and
How to interpret Shas is very much subject to mesorah; we know that Rishonim usually (not always) learn a sugya the same way their rebbeim did. There is very much an oral tradition, after Ravina/Rav Ashi, and it continues to this day, and I can guarantee you that R’ Avigdor Miller could back up his approach with a mehalach in the relevant sugyos on Shas, as could those who disagree with him. But to dismiss it because there’s no explicit mekor in Shas would be ridiculous.
He is looking for a job that interests him, not a study that interests him. While that might overlap, it certainly is not the same.
Why is that a stirah to what Charlie said? He needs to find something which will be realistic and satisfying as a career, AND which he will enjoy studying, otherwise he might never get to the career stage.
Sam, haven’t I seen you quoting later seforim, such as Shulchan Aruch? 🙂
C’mon Sam, you know that’s not what it means, and you’re untenable argument is basically that we have an oral tradition that we don’t have an oral tradition.
Ben, (nice to talk to you again)
I don’t think that’s what Sam means, even though you quoted the same Gemara, although he should speak for himself.
As I responded to him, I don’t think that is what it means either. I always understood it to mean that we don’t argue on a Gemara’s maskana, but obviously, new cases and applications, and debate about p’shat in the Gemara continue through the generations.
Our bookcases are filled with seforim which contain all sorts of things which were yet unwritten at Chasimas Hashas.
Without discussing LF’s specific point, there’s no reason to assume that the issue of how to treat words of gedolei hador in all inyonim isn’t part of our mesorah.
Sam, let me ask you, where in sha”s does it say that Torah shebaal peh ended? Because if if doesn’t say it, it by definition can’t be true.
We assume no such thing.
Your argument would have just as compelling before Torah shebaal peh was ever written, and I’m sure the tzedokim and such used it (not ch”v to put you in their camp).
Torah shebaal peh didn’t disappear. It was always dangerous, and continues to be so.
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So be careful who you trust.
Sam and PAA, you have just destroyed the concept of Torah shebaal peh.
Think about what I said as you enjoy your cholent this Shabbos.
You can’t know how to learn without understanding what you’re learning.
So I guess nobody knows how to learn.
Me. Oops.
Your former subtitle is more popular than “Member”.
That doesn’t work. Amirah L’akum would be a problem.
Semantics. Borrowed from the gun control argument.
Guns and online access don’t do anything without people, but certainly make it easier for people to do bad things.
How much restriction someone feels should be placed on their access generally determines which words he uses.
Popa used to be only mildly retarded.
Pass the jelly beans.
Squeak, you amaze me. The other one was two years old, and you remembered it even though I forgot, but this one boggles my mind! If I compare my memory to yours, I am having a senior life.
Excellent idea. I remember, back in the day, when you were “redyibb32”.
I don’t know, but I saw your name on the board, and just had to come on and say Sholom Aleichem!
Incidentally, rather than squeezing existing schools beyond their real capacity, why don’t growing communities open new schools?
Not incidental to the thread at all. You’ve just defended the existing schools very well. Even if, as jbaldy22 says, there’s a communal responsibility to educate all children (without financial consideration), that responsibility does not lay squarely on the shoulders of the existind schools.
The answer to your question, incidentally, is that it is easier to expand an existing school than to start a new one from the ground up.
New schools do open, but probably not as many as we need.
But the reality is these kids will likley go to public school.
No, they would stay home.
The shevatim married sisters.
Sam, that reminds me of the famous kashya/teirutz. K: Why, according to the shittah that “bakol” means that Avraham had a daughter, didn’t Yitzchak marry her? T: He was choshesh for the other shittah.
Insanity can explain almost anything.
See #4.
so do catholic schools
There is no real limit to space.
We’re not talking about outer space. Some schools have small classrooms, and there most definitely is a physical limitation on class size.
There is also a limit to how many students a rebbe or teacher can effectively teach.
Shtupping 35 kids into a room and then blaming the rebbe or morah for not teaching each one of them on his or her level is not a good eitzah.
TAOM, I wasn’t ranting. I was describing the situation, for better or worse.
That’s not necessarily specific to a human goel, but even if you read it that way, it doesn’t mean it’s a fundamental belief vs. what R’ Hillel erroneously thought.
Interestingly, there’s another version: ??????? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ????, ???? ??? ?????.
According to that Rambam, why is someone who denies Moshiach a kofer?
That’s just her way of rationalizing why she doesn’t wear Techeiles.
Lol (I hope…)
No seret for me. Is that foreboding?
Look at the whole piece.
I can probably imagine.
That’s very nice
Thank you.
but do you have a source for this?
It makes sense. Also, look at the Ramba”m on Chelek.
I guess not.
We’ve b”H identified the source of some of the misunderstanding.
My wife says PBA is meshuga
ftfy
Not a stirah. There’s limited space, and they’ll accept the ones who’ll pay full tuition before the ones who won’t.
How now?
The belief in the geula is fundamental. The specifics are only important if one is denying the words of the Neviim, but R’ Hillel wasn’t, he was somehow misinterpreting them.
at that point in the thread there was no information given as to what exactly were the parameters of this individual’s denial
I guess you hadn’t followed the links provided by the OP.
Even the most misguided people don’t think of themselves as bad, but as misunderstood.
It depends how deep you dig.
I feel very lucky right now.
I don’t think I get popa’s point here (although it seems that others do).
Granted, but according to the Rambam, included in the fundamental belief is that the geula will come about via mashiach.
Not necessarily.
I will assume that when you say “retracted” you mean “clarified”.
I meant retracted, because I assumed that you felt that quoting that Gemara was somehow relevant to the discussion of Shmuly Yanklowitz, and that now you realized that it wasn’t. I guess I’m wrong about one of those two assumptions.
The Gemara says why it was wrong: ????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???, but it wasn’t a violation of a fundamental belief, because he didn’t deny the geulah, but, as Rashi says, he thought that Hashem will be the goel. Yanklowitz says it’s all some vague metaphor, chalilah. He is an apikores, and there is not even a rejected opinion on his side.
I’m not arguing with you, I’m just pointing out that you don’t need to bring the Mahara”l; it’s a Gemara with Rashi (I am arguing with your first post on this thread, but it seems you’ve retracted).
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Coffee distributor
Midwesterner, he was looking for a route in England.
Being ready to “get married” is no kuntz either. One needs to be able to handle being married, not just getting married. (There’s another clue, though, that popa’s right anyhow.)
Now answer his second question.
You’re telling me that popa called us all big fat jerks because of a diyuk in Rash”i? He doesn’t even learn Rash”i!