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FTR: I have gone to a casino, less than 10 times, I usually played roulette using “progressive gambling”.
Not a kuntz to tell us, let’s see you tell your wife (didn’t you once post that she doesn’t know your real screen name?).
I’m not in Yerushhalayim, but thanks. 🙂
The shittos regarding tevilah of aluminum range from patur, chayav mid’rabbonon, to chayav mid’Oraisa.
Yitayningwut, maybe hearing such a story third hand can’t prove anything, but for a maamin, why wouldn’t you be able to take a message from a story which rings true?
A Freilichin Purim, Yitayningwut!
I don’t think you’re yotzei that way.
Popa, what were you doing at a kiddush club? Don’t you know the gedolim declared them assur?
OTOH, I know some kids.
I’m pretty sure that I do too. 🙂
Popa, have you seen it?
Those who run, run. And those who consider it Wolf have never run.
Is there no one in between?
As far as I know, this letter was not spread outside of BMG. In which case it was simply Roshei Yeshiva telling their yeshiva their opinion – which is exactly what everyone here always advocates being the way to go about things.
I agree.
I seriously doubt children or adults of ANY age or intelligence will conclude that the “purim story” as portrayed in the video is based on anything other than the imagination of the videos creators. sure some ideas are based on midrashim, and actual pesukim as described in the megilla, that is to be expected. If anyone walks away from the video thinking that the reason achashverosh was awake at night was due to an upset stomache or that he wore fluffy bunny rabbit slippers or that mrs haman and vashti went to get their hair done at the mall I would worry about him/her. Of course it “distorts” the purim story, thats why it is a work of fiction. Is it any worse then “purim torah”?
I agree.
E-O-M, don’t you think that it may be worth defending a breach in Hashem’s kavod even if it may fall short of “blatant perpetual heresy”?
In case there’s someone who doesn’t khap what popa is talking about, from an online encyclopedia:
The Khappers were employed to kidnap Jewish boys (sometimes as young as eight) to fill out a quota of Jews required to enter the cantonist schools, in preparation for service in the Russian Army, in the situations where such quotas were not filled legally…
Probably, anyone posting that Mordechai Shmutter is a real person is another screen name of his mother. (You had me fooled, “gavra_at_work”).
1) It’s a made up story
2) In the made up story, Doniel Lesterovich didn’t know that medrash
3) Made up stories are supposed to be entertaining, not make sense
4) Please forgive me for not listening to you
I’m told that they did get approval from rabbonim before doing the video. What we have here is a machlokes. Nothing new; healthy for Yiddishkeit, as long as people don’t bad mouth either side.
DaasYochid: I never said that was their motivation.
But the Jewish Press op-ed did, so you should not be agreeing, even one iota.
Miriam, this is about motivation, not about your unfortunate situation.
Avram in MD, great post, as usual.
that’s plain ridiculous. The chereidim are being asked to JOIN them at the front, not go out there themselves.
So they should all die? Does that make you happier?
Or what if I told you that if charedim would go to the front they would replace non charedim, and this is all a devious plan to kill them off that way? Does that make any more sense to you, and would that be true?
But that doesn’t mean that you have a crystall ball into the “mind” of Hashem, so to speak.
That’s precisely where talmidei chachomim come in. By virtue of their knowledge of the Torah, which is Hashem’s wisdom, they have much better insight into His ratzon than we do.
I think Mordechai Shmutter posts under the name popa_bar_abba, so it’s certainly possible.
I am very disappointed in the posts by DaMoshe and interjection.
For two posters, who are usually the strongest opponents of sinas chinom, to agree that the motivation for those who refuse to serve in the military is “so only other Jews die in war” and because “everyone else is welcome to get themselves killed”, is disgusting, and hopefully out of character.
Can’t we agree that thinking and espousing that charedim couldn’t care less about other Jewish lives is itself a horrible sheker and based on nothing but sinas chinom?
I’m curious what your reactions would be if someone would suggest that the reason the D’L want charedim to be drafted is so that they’ll die in war. Would you say it’s true (with a disclaimer that it should have been said a bit nicer)?)
Also, can we take infallibility out of this? To heed the words of chachomim, you don’t need to consider them infallible, you just need to think that they have a better chance of being correct than you do (which takes seichel and anavah).
Rabbinical Seminary of America
Logician, there is also a clear warning, on screen, before the film starts, that it’s not the actual Purim story (it kind of looks like the FBI copyright warning I’ve seen on other videos).
As you said, it’s a balancing act, so while I agree that it’s not an ideal, much as entertainment videos aren’t an ideal in general, it’s not an absolute taboo, at least in my life.
If someone has an issue with it because it’s not authentic, or for that matter, with videos in general, I say kol hakavod, just be consistent about it.
Oomis, I concur with golfer; you are one of, if not the, most polite and respectful posters in this forum.
If your issue is waiting for an answer from one prospective until going out with another, I agree that that’s pointless. I think those who don’t go out until someone finishes working on a shiduch for them are being silly (if I’m understanding the scenario correctly).
But this has nothing to do with dating in a tzniusdik way.
Your experience, that the shidduchim process has become more conservative, is true within your framework, but in a broader historical sense, the yeshivish way is still far more liberal than how they did it in “the heim”.
Nfgo3, is your issue the collecting, or the limo?
Akuperma, I don’t know where you get the notion that I am or ever was a supporter of zionism. I am not, and I do not need to “change sides”.
Oomis, you’ve never (that I recall) refuted my response to your theory: do those who don’t employ the methods you object to have a higher success rate of marrying?
I’ll make a point I made in an earlier thread.
No one is being jailed for learning Torah.
and from the earlier thread:
However, this emotional straw man frustrates me to no end. No one is going to be put in jail for learning. They (might be) put in jail for avoiding army service, which they do by learning. But no one is making learning a crime.
You were wrong then, and you’re wrong now.
Aside from PBA’s point that there are definitely many who want to completely wipe out Torah, chalilah, and Torah613’s point that a Jewish run state should have more appreciation for Torah, I think your point is so semantic that it’s meaningless, and if I wouldn’t be dan you l’kaf z’chus thbat you haven’t thought this out properly, I would say disingenuous.
The image you think is portrayed in the rhetoric, that of people being dragged out of the bais midrash for the crime of learning, reminiscent of communist Russia or the Chanukah story, is so obviously not literally true that there’s no emotional straw man here.
Although I’m sure there are those drafting the law who would like nothing more than banning Torah study for all, no matter their military eligibility, that’s obviously not what being legislated, and nobody has any hava amina that it is.
The objection is to criminalizing the choice for a bochur or yungerman to stay in full time learning, which as Gavra says, should be repulsive to any shomer Torah u’mitzvos, and nobody is trying to fool anyone into thinking otherwise.
The only straw man I see here was manufactured in Las Vegas.
I must also be moche about something you wrote earlier, “ I think the country has a right to ask the Chareidim to give back (with more than just Limud HaTorah) “.
More than Limud HaTorah? I expect better than that from you, Sam.
This is what he’s referring to.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14166&st=&pgnum=328&hilite=
I agree with mod-29 when there’s nobody over-bumping.
Popa, yes, but there’s additional footage in which CJ Kramer (the producer – he’s Rabbi Paysach Krohn’s son-in-law) details which parts are genuine, which are not, and which are conjecture.
why aren’t people discussing how we have to have a cheshbon hanefesh to figure out why this is happening
I think people are, but on this forum, there are different opinions as to whether what is happening is good or bad. I don’t think it’s as common to make a cheshbon hanefesh when good things are happening as when bad things are happening.
The gedolim in EY have said that we need to be mechazek ourselves in limud haTorah. I think we all have an imperative to make a cheshbon hanefesh, and we can certainly use improvement in our dedication to keeping and learning the Torah.
I saw the ad. Why is there a character called Gimpel? There was no Yiddish at the time of the Purim story!
This story does not take place biy’mei Achashverosh.
Besalel, if, “Usually everyone can agree that the bnei yeshiva are of impeccable middos and derech eretz”, then the exceptions are not a failure of the system, but a failure of those individuals.
Not sure what the shaychus is to this thread, though.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/editorial/218981/analysis-on-the-atzeres-tefillah-in-manhattan.html (first paragraph)
These tefilla gatherings/rallies were not the place for it.
Meh. No names or political parties were mentioned. A private person wrote a heartfelt op-ed, with a slight inaccuracy, against a disgusting, hate filled one in the JP. No need for an apology from YWN to that rag.
There’s not much I can do though; I can’t double not-buy it.
I think the former is true but not the latter.
I agree.
For what?
Golfer, I’m not following either, but he’s referring to this:
Is it too late to apply?
Gavra, the same DN which (in one caption) referred to it as a Satmar protest (which anyone who was there can tell you is silly), reported the numbers as 50,000.
Sam, precisely, and it’s caused by the difficulty placed on charedim working, by government policies.
Would it change overnight if suddenly, military exemptions were granted on grounds of religious incompatibility? Of course not, but it probably would change, gradually.
Artscroll is sold out.
I agree with JayMatt. How many people will read such a sefer and come out with piskei halacha which they otherwise might not know? Sure, you could argue that they could have and should have gone through the halachos themselves, or asked their rav, but realistically, not everyone does. JayMatt certainly should be commended for spreading it to an audience which can gain from it.
And with apologies to all, I must say that a light sefer with easily readable piskei halacha is at least as kosher for “entertainment” as what anyone reading (or writing) this does for leisure.
I spoke to a few people who saw it; they thought it was well produced and very funny.
There was concern about presenting the characters of the Megillah differently than Chaza’l, although there are very clear disclaimers.
Sam, then why do chassidim of the same rebbes work in such higher percentages in chu”l?
Thanks, JM.
Good point.
Thanks for the update.
I couldn’t sleep at night, wondering how your car was doing.