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Yes, but L’chatchila doesn’t change the actual halachic status of the chefetz.
Whe it comes to halacha l’meisa, I’m not concerned with the status of the cheftza, I want to know what the gavra should do. 😉
Basically you are saying that the only level on which you can connect with a female is physical . Intellectual level? Na. Wit? Who needs it. Hashkafa? Not important.
No, I’m not saying that.
aries,
You didn’t address my points.
I’ll make one more. Let’s say a certain bochur does not normally follow this halacha. Should he then do an aveirah on a date as well?
SilentOne,
I haven’t researched this halachah well enough know the exact parameters. If you read my posts carefully, I never said it’s definitively assur, I only addressed whether it should be disregarded, if it would be assur, because of society’s rules.
cherrybim,
My point was that since it’s obvious that not all of that halacha in the Ramba”m is applicable to dating, your assumption that there is automatically some type of “chinuch” practice involved is flawed.
This past Rosh Hashanah, in addition to all the regular tefillos, I specifically asked Hashem for something else this year. I did not receive it.
Thank you Hashem, for not granting me what I asked for, since it was obviously not the bet thing for me!
Um, ok.
Care to elaborate?
You can find an excuse for anything I suppose.
Like being on the internet?
It is not inherently rude to not hold open the door, it just has to do with societal expectations.
This has been discussed before, with various opinions.
In my opinion, it’s okay because not only don’t you see the person, but you don’t even know what they look like.
Nevertheless, the tone and content should be more reserved when addressing someone on “the other side of the mechitzah”
They have news on this site? Where?
(for those who are willing to go B’dieved)
L’chatchila, you’re not supposed to go b’dieved.
that training should start even before actual marriage
Is that true for the ?????? ????? part as well?
aries,
I posted a link to the entire post because I am aware that it might be read differently in context, which is also why I wrote that you probably didn’t mean it that way (if you had read my entire post you would have seen that ?).
I don’t know why you assume that someone who is makpid on this halacha would only be makpid while on a date. Even there was such a case, I still fail to see why the assumption should be made that he’s doing it specifically to be rude. I would think that if someone is makpid on something while on a date which he is not careful about otherwise, it’s because he wants to put his best foot forward, which is fine. That doesn’t justify not being careful always, but neither does it qualify the fellow as a jerk.
I wonder what was edited – I hope it wasn’t too nasty. ?
Tell me what mitzvah -making people frum falls under.
Hocheiach Tochiach Es Amisecha
basically that’s something only the Chazon Ish could say
The author says that a talmid chochom related to him that the Chazon Ish was only matir powdered milk for children, at a time that milk was scarce, at the beginning of Israel’s statehood.
I’ll give it a try and hope I don’t insult anyone.
If at first you don’t succeed…
Don’t I run the risk of insulting anyone I leave out?
PBA, why would you think that was directed at you?
Because of this phrase from this post?
“So yes you are a jerk”
It sure sounded like you were calling him one;
you probably didn’t mean it, so you should explain that.
On the contrary, I usually portray myself in the other direction.
Usually? 😉
so far the fan is fine
The Cubs fan or the Mets fan?
DY – A fan that exhausts air out of the room, can make the room cooler.
Only if the air that replaces it is cooler.
Welcome back.
How can cy milk spoil faster if the only thing different about it is that it’s watched by a Jew??
It wouldn’t spoil as fast if it was in the refrigerator when he watches it.
There was a bochur on a date that was so frum he … called his date bat-kuh
If he was really so frum, he would have called her bas-kuh. ?
It is interesting to note that the Chazon Ish is very much ‘mashma’ that he paskens like the pri chodosh, and therefore it is possible that the chazon ish would also allow the drinking of what we call cholov stam.
In the sefer I just mentioned, on page 310, footnote 14, the author contends that the Chazon Ish would not be matir today.
IMHO the term is a denigration of R” Moshe ZT”L. It makes it seem as if he ?”? fabricated something which did not exist.
In Rav Binyomin Forst’s “The Kosher Kitchen” (page 311), the author points out that the term “chalav stam” is used. He makes no mention of it being in any way degrading to R’ Moshe ZT”L.
An a/c can actually lower the temperature; a fan merely circulates the air.
the attempt of someone who is far to the left side in hashkofo and in bein odom lemakoim to show off what a “tzaddik” he is in bein odom lechavyro
That may be your suspicion, but it’s not based on anything. I think it’s unfair to assume, and certainly to post.
Fear of chillul Hashem is, or at least should be, universal across the entire spectrum of frum society, and there’s no reason to assume lack of sincerity regardless of other hashkafos.
What is the exact translation of chalav Akum
and what is the translation of chalav stam?
If you want literal translations, that would be milk of one who worships stars and constellations, and plain milk.
If you’d like an explanation, here goes:
Milk from a non kosher species of animal is forbidden. If a non-Jew sells milk as cow milk (or goat milk, etc.) one should be able to rely on it, but chaza”l made a gezeira to prohibit such milk unless a Jew was present at the milking, lest the non-Jew mix in milk from a non kosher species. Milk prohibited under this gezeira is referred to as chalav aku”m, although the non-Jew’s worship habits are not a factor.
Milk at which a Jew was present at the milking is referred to as chalav Yisrael.
Milk at which a Jew was not present at the milking may still be permitted according to some authorities (most notably, Rav Moshe Feistein) under certain conditions, which apply to mass produced milk in the U.S. This milk is commonly referred to as chalav stam.
Rav Fuerst in Far Rockaway
There’s a Rav Forst in Far Rockaway, and a Rav Fuerst in Chicago, but I don’t think there’s a Rav Fuerst in Far Rockaway.
I don’t know what is the halachah here, but a boy who is always rude to women he dates is not going to be getting married, so the community of Jews who follow those rulings will die out in a generation.
If the girls learn the same halacha, they won’t consider it rude.
(p.s. *applause* 80, can wiki)
He did put quotation marks, you know.
DY could be both
When you go to a restaurant and order sweetbreads, or go to a Simcha and are served sweetbreads you are getting the Thymus Gland
I hadn’t known that, thanks.
Sweetbreads are the Thymus Gland.
I always thought it was the pancreas.
although i do have an issue with the exhorbitant amounts they charge, but that’s a diff issue
That’s exactly where you missed the point; shadchanim do not get paid sufficiently for the amount of time they put in.
You think this plan is ridiculous because they should basically do it for the mitzvah.
You probably also think that rebbeim, moros, rabbonim, shochtim, mashgichim, sofrim, etc. should work for below living wage.
I’m being too strong; I know – you probably don’t really think that way. But it’s really the same; the reality is that people do better work when they’re properly compensated.
Somehow I don’t find this thread amusing!
I don’t think anyone’s taking the tragedy of someone c”v stopping to be shomer Torah umitzvos lightly.
But I see your point.
Hmm..I know plenty of Chicago girls over 20, and plenty of single guys. Looks like I have found a way to pay for my college tuition.
So it looks like it can work.
Rabbi Mechanic has a great program that will answer all of your car’s questions.
*like*
“Fine, I’ll throw in a six pack.”
“I take that back, I don’t want to mess with Vinny.”
Vinny down the block has a 26 for $170.
“Fine, I’ll throw in a six pack.”
and we’re back to drinking while on a date 🙂
Oh, I thought we were putting dates in the beer.
So I’m thinking. If I was the guy and a shadchan redts me a girl from chicago, I say, sure, I’ll go out if you give me 50 buck.
“I already have an offer for $50, but you’re on for $35.”
Or at least have the shadchan pay for the date(s)
And the beer.
If a car goes off the derech, do you give it to Oorah?
And the rest? Jewish females?
Or Non-Jewish males. Or Non-Jewish females.
The student enrollment is predominantly jewish males
What percentage?
or he could have been 1 of the many from the tinok shenishba category (former Soviet Union, etc.)
Good point. Or he could be joking.
Or, considering who wrote that post, it might have taken three years until they finished naming him.
I remember my mohel.
I didn’t know you were a ger.
Wolf,
I like asyyeger’s idea, but I highly doubt there’s a chillul Hashem since people saw you walking out with an obviously paid for meal, and you most likely didn’t have a guilty look on your face when you walked out.
Homeowner,
1) There is Chillul Hashem with Jews
2) There is an inyan of maris ayin and “v’hiyisem nikiyim” despite the obligation to be dan l’kaf z’chus.
very funny/punny,
and gunny
The Anisakis Worm Rears its Ugly Head Once More
International News
Written by 5TJT Staff
Monday, 23 May 2011 09:50
The Brooklyn Vaad HaRabbonim, the Baltimore Kashrus agency, and a handful of other Kashrus agencies were stringent. The Orthodox Union, in agreement with Rabbi Vay from Jerusalem, however, ruled that these worms while still in the flesh of the fish are kosher. [The interview of Rabbi Vay may be seen at this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMtQLb1YmLo%5D. Even the lenient position is of the opinion that once the worm has left the fish it is no longer kosher.
So what happened now? Apparently, some top Rabbinic decisors have signed a letter clearly indicating their position that the Anisakis worm, while still in the flesh of the fish, is decidedly NOT KOSHER. The letter, which has yet to be published in the Jewish press, has the signatures of Rabbi Feivel Cohen Shlita, Rav Dovid Feinstein Shlita and Rav Aharon Schechter Shlita.
Rav Feivel Cohen is a Rav in Brooklyn and a prolific author of halachic works, Rav Feinstein is one of the leading Poskim in the United States, and Rav Aharon Schechter is the Rosh HaYeshiva of the Chaim Berlin Yeshiva.
The Kashrus issue centers on the whether it has been demonstrated that the Anisakis worm clearly comes from outside of the fish or whether it may still be assumed that the worm develops internally. The Orthodox Union maintains that according to Jewish law, one may still make the assumption that the worm has developed within the fish itself. Other authorities maintain that the permissive ruling of the Shulchan Aruch does not apply when it can be observed that the worm actually migrated into the flesh from elsewhere.
The new initiative to ban the parasitic worm comes directly from the court of Rav Elyashiv in Jerusalem. Rabbi Efrati in particular has pushed the new effort toward the ban on fish that have not had the Anisakis removed.
Anisakis are rare in waters with low salinity and in the southern North Sea.
Good job, ravshalom