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Cuz DeSantis is better!
I am a little nauseated by how far the world has went. A Yungerman asks a boy to walk through a hallway with him in full view of his mother and other women, and he is called all sorts of names because he touched his shoulder for a few seconds, and it’s his own fault that he got arrested? Are you mad? And if I tap a ten year old on the shoulder to ask him to pass me a piece kugel by a crowded kiddush, it’s curtains for me? That’s ridiculous.
We are not all involved in this constant thinking about every move in certain terms when it comes to children. And these mentalities trickle down to the kids too in inappropriate fashion, I know someone who worked in a more modern camp (by my standards, for you that may be regular) and he told me that every other time two kids had near physical contact with one another they immediately called each other “creep!”. That’s not normal. People of any age should not be constantly thinking in such terms.
Yes, obviously there is a problem out there, and we must be on the lookout for such things. But that doesn’t mean one must panic at the slightest touch. These things must be dealt with slowly and with caution, not jumping to the moon at the slightest hint at anything wrong.
This is not how a Jewish society operates, you have to use seichel. Maybe instead of worrying about abusers single-track-mindedly, worry about innocent people sitting in jail too, I think that a few years in prison is at the very least a comparable tragedy an abuser situation. Take the time to use your brains! this is not an all or nothing, the police don’t have to be called that very second.P.S. Anyone slightly yeshivish (Besides the ladies) knows that a man doesn’t walk between two Ladies. So while it may be true that your circles somehow abolished this halachah(?!) it didn’t happen by the yeshivah oilam.
And P.P.S. I heard from someone who knows the Chassid/Tzaddik/Litvak that he is also a major Talmid Chacham.
If you Google the law it doesn’t seem to have changed too much of arkansas (?) law.
According to NPR: Under the Youth Hiring Act of 2023, children under 16 don’t have to get the Division of Labor’s permission to be employed. The state also no longer has to verify the age of those under 16 before they take a job. The law doesn’t change the hours or kinds of jobs kids can work.
“The Governor believes protecting kids is most important, but this permit was an arbitrary burden on parents to get permission from the government for their child to get a job,” Sanders’ communications director Alexa Henning said in a statement to NPR. “All child labor laws that actually protect children still apply and we expect businesses to comply just as they are required to do now.”
Workers under 16 in Arkansas have had to get these permits for decades.
Supporters of the new law say it gets rid of a tedious requirement, streamlines the hiring process, and allows parents — rather than the government — to make decisions about their children.
But opponents say the work certificates protected vulnerable youth from exploitation.
“It was wild to listen to adults argue in favor of eliminating a one-page form that helps the Department of Labor ensure young workers aren’t being exploited,” the group Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families wrote about the law in a legislative session recap.So basically a useless law to have a useless form was knocked out. Mazel Tov. And then someone came and said “she is working to ensnare kids in dangerous jobs and sentencing them to a lifetime of being uneducated.” Genius.
The most coherent Tainah I found was this on Axios: “Joshua Price, deputy director of immigrant advocacy group Arkansas United, told legislators requiring the forms makes it easier for the government to hold violators accountable. The process is an added layer of protection that makes it harder for an employer under investigation for hiring someone underage to claim ignorance.”
So basically he’s saying that it will make a prosecutors job slightly easier if you have this form. I can’t imagine Sanders has in mind that she doesn’t care about kids so she might as well make it a tiny bit harder to prosecute companies that break the child labor laws.
I hope jakk didn’t do even a basic Google search before starting this thread, because if he did then this thread is just a huge troll.No one really knows what the charges are, however everyone knows that Bragg is a meshuganeh in general. I find it hard to simply trust that because he’s a prosecutor he’s probably just doing his job in prosecuting criminals. (Which would also be surprising because I don’t think he ever did his job of prosecuting criminals.)
Pashtus there is some type of “Sort-Of-Crime” here, like some technical reporting requirement that Trump skipped for whatever reason, the kind of thing that people wouldn’t normally care about until it’s a guy from the other party.
I’m just waiting for Biden to announce that he also did the same thing, but he’s coming clear within three months of realizing, so it doesn’t count 🙂It made a lot of sense to delay it. When you change the foundation of a countries governing system you can’t do it in the heat of the moment. You have to take things slowly, not just rush it through. If you rush it through, it look very much like an autocratic power grab even if it is actually expanding Democracy. When it comes to things like this it’s all about the optics.
Politically speaking, what has to happen now for the Reforms to go through is the right must hold protests in support of the reforms in a way that will bring international headlines too. -Namely shutting down the country all over again. This will show the world that there is a significant amount of the population that feels that these reforms are actually saving Democracy in Israel, and that the world should therefore stop making it their business as to which way it should go.As someone who is part of Lakewood society I agree with n0mesorah. I can tell you that there is basically one mesivta with a fully functioning English program, and it is from the top mesivtos. A couple others also have, at various levels of low functionality. Others have tried to do it, until the program died out when they became completely dysfunctional. The reason it doesn’t really work is simply because the bochurim are usually completely uninterested, don’t see the use, and just use the time to let out their extra energy on whichever unfortunate person chose to try to teach them something. That is why the lower level of yeshivos are less likely to have English, not more likely -because their bochurim are usually less tzu geshtelt. There aren’t to many people who have a real shitah against it, just not too many people who are particularly interested.
All people brought up in Lakewood learn basic math, reading, and writing. Al pi rov the rest of their worldliness is based on self-education for those who are interested, namely reading the Zman or secular books, which I venture to say provides a pretty good idea of what the world is like.
Most OTD issues that you hear about begin in elementary school with kids who are, to say it bluntly, too ADHD/hyper/wild to function as part of a system, many times as an outgrowth of growing up in a dysfunctional home. There is a huge variety of mesivtos for all shapes and sizes, but many of these kids don’t go to one because they’re not ready to be part of any type of structured environment. There are of course people working with the kids with problems, for example Waterbury and MOE.
Many working boys in Lakewood started out in the above category and then got a job for structure, and many were in a yeshiva for a few years, some even went through the entire system, until they made the decision that it wasn’t working for them and they went to work. Nobody looks down on a frum bochur working if that’s what he needed.
It seems like many people have a mental block when it comes to understanding the Lakewood matzav. And Yserbius seems a little lost. I guarantee you, no one in the last 20 years that grew up in lakewood ever looked back and thought “I wish my elementary school/mesivta had more English.” Not one.I was reading this conversation and I was shocked by some of the posts here, does anyone actually believe that from a Frum perspective it isn’t better not to have a smartphone?
Can anyone name a major gadol accepted by all of frum yidden who has/had a smartphone? The answer is obviously no. Why? Because no one would even think of looking at such a person as an Adam Gadol because at the end of the day everyone knows that someone with a smartphone cannot reach too high of a height. (I hope no one says their gadol has one. It would be pretty sad to hear that.)
All the different explanations of why it’s really not so bad to have a smartphone may many times be true, but the fact remains that it’s better without.
People get very lost on the details, but anyone that really honestly thinks about it realizes that when it comes to focusing on Hashem a smartphone is usually a minus. That isn’t to say that it is possible for everyone to not have one, but we should at least be aware that it is not in general a Frumkeit plus.
I will admit that in recent years there has been a growth in Torah oriented online communities -particularly Lakewood WhatsApp- which is very good for many people who would otherwise be mostly disconnected from Torah Yiddishkeit, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that to really put your focus in life on ruchniyus a smartphone is only a distraction.
And by the way, it’s not just smartphones, any internet connection is already a distraction, the more connection, the worse. (For example I just wasted 10 Minutes that should’ve been spent learning to write this:).)I don’t think Biden is racist in the sense that he will treat people differently based on their race, but he definitely subconsciously stereotypes all Blacks as a lower class of society.
In regards Trump I think he considers any poor person a lower type of person, not necessarily based on race.Charliehall,
Maybe you don’t realize this, but the Presidents “relationships” don’t affect anything. Therefore it is not a problem to vote for the most abhorrent person in the world if you approve of his policy. Traditionally the Jewish *Orthodox* position in golus for hundreds or thousands of years has been that we don’t really care who the leader of the country is, as long as s/he benefits Frum yidden.
So whether it’s Clinton or Trump or Biden, I don’t really care about the personal life of the candidate. I only care how he will affect me and my fellow yidden.And Masks have nothing to do with being Jewish, so i don’t really think this falls into what halachah considers shmad.
Cases are way higher than anywhere else in NY, and i don’t know about NY but in Lakewood there were 20 people in the hospital as of last night….
So whether you want a shut down or not you can’t complain about the city thinking that the situation is not very good.
If Israel is the deciding factor for us, and i believe that it is for a majority of FRUM yidden, then you probably want to vote for Trump. Let’s face it, he’s the only president in recent years that managed to get anywhere. The old way of thinking never really worked.
If you are concerned about things like the country’s image, then Trump is probably not your man. Trump just doesn’t act presidential and he will always be plagued with scandals.
I think that’s basically the two trains of thought among most Frum voters.I don’t really know anything about the Middle East, but I do know that as each country moves over to Israel’s side it takes away support from the Palestinians. And the richer the country is the more support is taken away.
And besides, peace and normal relations with one’s neighbors always brings benefits, no matter the situation.I think the stock market will be dropping significantly within a month or two. There is no way that the current rally isn’t a bubble. You read these articles about how even the most reluctant traders are investing everything just because they don’t want to miss out and you wonder why they don’t see how that is bad news, not good news. When everyone is investing just because the Market is up that means it’s not going up because of any real value and will soon collapse.
The rest of the economy is unpredictable because of Corona so i’m not going to bother trying to predict that.Hilarious.
I leave the CR for 3 weeks and I come back to find that Chauvin was actually giving Floyd the death penalty for shooting a pregnant women about 15 years ago because the legal system did not yet punish him (apparently forgetting that Floyd already sat in prison for this).
HahahahahahaahaI live in Lakewood and kept to social distancing rules until a week or 2 after shavous. After that i stopped being very careful because the case count in lakewood was steadily at a low number for a few weeks and has continued like that all the until now.
As of now i and most of Lakewood are davening in shuls like normal without masks. If Corona starts spreading again then i will change my position.DovidBT,
“That’s not a peaceful protest. It’s a mob of criminals.”
Aha! So then we are talking about 2 different protests 🙂“ IMHO, I believe that the Feds acted with much Restraint!”
IMHO, that is 100% true. I was talking about a specific tactic which seems to have been stopped.New body cam from Chauvin’s.
Nytimes-The video offers the fullest portrait yet of the tragic events around Mr. Floyd’s killing. It begins with officers driving to the scene, after a convenience store clerk called 911 and said a man had used a counterfeit $20 bill, and it ends showing officers on the street discussing what happened, after Mr. Floyd is driven away in an ambulance. At one point, in footage not previously seen, the officers are shown dragging Mr. Floyd to the ground after he resisted being put in the squad car.
Once he was on the ground, as Mr. Floyd again said he couldn’t breathe, and asked for water, and begged for his life, Derek Chauvin, the senior officer on the scene, said, in a nonchalant, almost mocking, tone, “takes a heck of a lot of oxygen to say that.”The footage provides more detail into the action of Mr. Chauvin, who has been charged with second-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter for keeping his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck for more than eight minutes while he gasped for life. He was later pronounced dead at the hospital.
As the minutes ticked by, and Mr. Floyd became quieter and his body went limp, one officer checked his pulse and said he couldn’t find one.
Mr. Chauvin’s response, uttered with no emotion, was, “uh huh.”
Just before, after being told that Mr. Floyd appeared to be passing out, Mr. Chauvin appears to express more concern for his fellow officers than the man dying under his knee.
“You guys all right, though?” he said.“My knee might be a little scratched, but I’ll survive,” responded another officer, Thomas Lane.
The footage was made available for viewing Wednesday to the public and media by appointment at the Hennepin County Government Center in downtown Minneapolis — in a conference room with a dozen laptop stations — but was not allowed to be copied or recorded.
Doesn’t seem like such a nice guy, eh?
Those who can afford to pay more are mostly doing so, through donations.
The majority of everybody else would have to take out a second mortgage to pay another 2k for 5+ kids for the next 10 years if they are even paying the current 4-5k per kid for elementary school and 8-10k for high school.A family of 8 kids, 2 in Mesivta and 6 in elementary school, is be paying 35-45k. Most people can’t even afford that. The numbers sky rocket once the kids start going to E”Y. So raising tuition probably won’t make much of an effect on money actually collected.
DovidBT,
“ the police are within their rights to use forceful measures to enforce the law.”
Force is only supposed to be used when needed, that’s why we don’t deploy teargas when arresting a shoplifter. By a peaceful protest, even if it is after curfew, teargas is not needed. When unnecessary force is used we call it police brutality.Health,
They were after curfew in the 1st week or 2. And that makes sense. The problem was that some cities deployed teargas at peaceful protests after curfew.Health,
“ this Liberal idea of this deterrant doesn’t Work. No one is scared to get arrested, if there is No Serious Punishment. So far, in the Cities, No one is scared Not to go out & RIOT!”
What in the world are you talking about? When I said the sentence that I quoted I was talking about peaceful protests! Do you know how to follow a conversation?“ The Federal Agents are there to arrest people.”
And as I said before, “ The gain is not worth the loss”. I think you forgot to address that.“And again,
“ If Non-lethal doesn’t work, then they go to Live Fire!”
The 2nd amendment was designed in case someone like you made it into office.”Som1,
“ i dare you to tell me how arresting people who have looted stores, started fires, threw things at officers and assaulted officers , or dispersing illegal gatherings , is not enforcing laws”
It is, but as I said, I don’t like the method of having soldiers in camouflage piling out of unmarked minivans and pulling people off the streets, whether or not those people are guilty. There are better ways of doing this.(PS: when I said “ That’s why police wear identification tags, which these agents don’t have“ I didn’t know that the agents are wearing the symbol of their agencies which they are, but there is still no way of knowing who individual agents are. Although I do recognize that there is a problem of doxing. But my main issue is the unmarked car tactic being used in Portland)
“If they are doing something wrong – they be held accountable.”
actually not, because when you don’t know who someone is, then you can’t hold them accountable. That’s why police wear identification tags, which these agents don’t have.“I’m sure they recognized the guy as a Perp.”
Could be, but that’s why i said they should use marked vehicles.“They needed to do unmarked vehicles for the Element of Surprise”
The gain is not worth the loss.“This has nothing to do with Commy Russia.”
Well whether you like it or not the fact is that they are using the same tactics.“To arrest s/o – they have to be Tried in a Court of Law.”
Actually, what happens when responsible cities arrest protestors is they take them down to the station, process them which can take a while and then let them free. it usually takes a few hours, but no courts are involved. The idea is just to annoy the protestors so that they shouldn’t want to do it again.And again,
“ If Non-lethal doesn’t work, then they go to Live Fire!”
The 2nd amendment was designed in case someone like you made it into office.Health,
“ I doubt that they are breaking any Law!”
And I don’t really care about that. I just have a problem with soldiers in unmarked minivans pulling people off the sidewalk. If they were in a convoy of humvees it wouldn’t bother me as much.“ That’s the purpose of Law enforcement.”
Actually not. The purpose of law enforcement is to enforce the law. There are better ways to do that then acting like the KGB.“ Do you know the meaning of “CURFEW”?”
Yeah, it means that after this time you get arrested. Teargas is for when violence is necessary.“ If Non-lethal doesn’t work, then they go to Live Fire!”
The 2nd amendment was designed in case someone like you made it into office.Socialism originally gained so much popularity because in a utopian society it makes the most sense, if everyone worked together than we could produce more. At that point in the worlds history, nobody understood that bad apples always ruin everything.
1,
“There’s no law that says you have to work.”
true.
“Welfare helps people buy things.”
Also true.
“These kollel yungeleit are supporting grocery stores with the money.”
To delude yourself that this is why it is okay for Kollel Yungeleit to collect welfare does not cast a good light on your intelligence. It is okay simply because the government offered free money and you’d have to be stupid to say No thank you.Health,
It definitely seems as though they are pulling suspects off the streets throughout the city, not just by the courthouse. There is extensive video evidence for this.
I don’t know whether or not the actions taken by Homeland Security are constitutional or not, but the tactics being used definitely scare me. people being pulled off the streets into unmarked vehicles by soldiers in gas masks definitely doesn’t sound like the America I know. At least paint the name of the organization to which the vehicle belongs to on the vehicle.
And spraying teargas at people simply chanting slogans? this is not even unique to the feds. in the beginning of the protests i saw live video of people being teargassed for protesting after curfew. Why was that necessary? in many big cities, Dallas for example, police simply arrested 100’s of protesters, loaded them on buses and drove them to the station. So then why the need to teargas peaceful protesters?
Very scary.
I hope Trump did not push for the army to use these scare tactics as this will definitely change my perception of him.From the government’s perspective, yes, the programs were not designed very smartly.
From a Kollel person’s perspective, it’s a gift from Hashem!Different people, different beliefs. If it really bothers you then don’t use WhatsApp.
(i accidentally hit submit) And how about libel? and even telling China American secrets (also known as spying)?
Milhouse,
Is it your belief that death threats are protected by the 1st amendment?N0mesorah,
The main reason why the immigration laws of 100-200 years ago aren’t feasible is because back then once you came into the country you were on your own. If you didn’t have money for healthcare for example, then you died. It was that simple.
Nowadays it would cost tens of thousands of dollars to support a single immigrant until they found a well paying job, America can’t afford to take in millions of people a year.
I personally feel that the correct strategy would be to teach immigrants English when they come in, have live in schools to bring them up to a full high school education, and then help them with job placement. In order for this to work, I believe in a policy forcing every company which sells goods in the USA to produce 50% of their goods in America. The government can even subsidize the added cost up to the amount of tax money generated from the new jobs. This I believe should result in a healthy job market.I just watched the video again, and his neck is definitely on the ground with his head being at an odd angle. So I think everyone here (with the possible exemption of Milhouse) believes that it is definitely possible that Floyd died of asphyxiation. Therefore the facts are not problematic.
Now that we established this, I think we can safely say that the video speaks for itself.Milhouse,
You often say “ Floyd was definitely not murdered.”, but you have never actually proved that he wasn’t murdered or even tried to. All you have ever said is that it is possible that he died from something else, but that doesn’t prove that he didn’t die of asphyxiation.