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I stand corrected. It was reported
Yeshivish lite usually is someone who grew up yeshivish and went to bais medrash. His lifestyle and hashkafahs are yeshivish but inside he’s not really yeshivish. Not necessarally a bum, but not your classic yeshiva bochur. More lax about his Judiasm in some areas but not the main ones like shabbos and kashrus
if anything Denver won in spite of him rather than because of him. Their Defense and Kicker is what carried them to the playoffs. Granted, he did seem to have some 4th quarter magic. But to rely on that consistently is simply foolish.
ready now- Yup their paying me to stir up conversation how did u find out?
Ben Levi- Torah Umaddah does NOT mean that they are equal. There is a reason torah comes first. It’s saying that they ALSO find value in the secular world. Now im gonna go on a limb here and assume you disagree with that philosiphy and belive its kefirah, but at least get your facts right
oh come on. The guy was terrible last year. He completed under 50% of his passes that’s atrocious. Jets aint gonna win with this guy and if he was half decent in practice they would have played him by now
halevi- not a double standard. i agree that all jews are the same no matter what and all this machlokes over chumras and minhagim are tearing us apart. It seems were all missing something because Jews should be able to stick together and we seem incapable of doing that lately.
i tried posting a simialr idea earlier but for some reason it got blocked by the mods. But you said it way better
ready now- I have to respectfully disagree with you. Although we do ALL fall under orthodox judiasm, there are different sects of orthodox judiasm. To claim otherwise is niave and leads to fighting. Each sect emphasizes a different part of service to Hashem. The majority of Chasidus focuses on prayer, Satmar focuses on chesed, Lubavich focuses on outreach, Litvish focuses on torah, tzionis focus on love of eretz yisroel, MO focuses on Torah Umada, Yekkies focus on torah with derech eretz. All these sects play different roles in brining Gods light down to this world, and were all in this together as orthodox jews.
And for the record, i was’nt C”V comparing the Rambam to reform or conservatism. I was comparing him to modern orthodoxy
katan i think you have things a little mixed up. Rabbi Solevechick simply valued the modern world as well as the torah. He wasn’t saying the modern world was more important than the torah. Simialar to the Rambam who also valued the modern world and studied plato and aristotle
halachically as well. The Isralei Charedi community is a lot more machmir
its ironic. All the american yeshivish jews bashing the MO. They dont realize that the chareidim in israel look at them like their the modern jews. Its all about your perspective
toi- maybe you missed the message. Judiasm is not a religio of clones. There are different ways to serve god. Not everyone is supposed to be a rabbi. Just because somebody is not in your community, doesnt mean his form of practicing yiddishkiet is less pure. In the eys of god your both doing the right thing.
And were you aware that the Rambams Mishnah Torah was burnt. The majority of jews at the time rejected him and called his writings kefirah. Now hes considered one of the greatest scholars in jewish history. The message is: Just because gedolim of yesteryear may have held something to be kefirah, times change and the gedolim nowdays may be more accepting of it. Take chasidus as an example. The GRA was fiercely opposed to chasidus. But one of his stidents (i forgot who) said that chasidus saved millions of jews from going off the derech.
I understand why you would be hesitant to date such a guy. The statistics show that 40-60 percent of drug users relapse, its not 95% regardless of what you may have heard. Also the biggest predictor of relapse is who the addict hangs out with. If hes a person who has been out of that life for a few years already and is a top guy in yeshiva, the odds are against him relapsing. The most important thing is who he’s hanging out with and this guy sounds ok. I dont’t necessarily belive a guy with a past is a “handicap”. People like this have gone through and seen more than most people their age and that can be beneficial in some ways. Maybe you should consider going on one date and see how it goes
Im not god forbid looking for a frum bashing website. And Popa i was under the assumption that we all agree on frum vs. non frum. At least the majority opinion is that chasidish litvish and MO are all religious Jews. Conservative and reform not religious jews.
Its not fair to bash other websites that trash frum Jews when ive seen plenty of frum bashing on this site. I mean the MODs would never let a post through bashing a Gadol of the litvish world, but of the MO world they would. Im not advocaing we should allow more yeshivish bashing, i would just prefer less MO bashing.
Oomis- Your right about that. Maybe im looking in the wrong places
cantgetit- I understand that, but i mean there were 12 seperate shevatim. There is no one way to follow Judiasm. Different personalaties connect to hashem through different ways. Were not a cult where everyone needs to act the same way and interpret the law the same way. Wats wrong with saying “i belive my approach to yiddishkeit is correct, but some other ways are also productive and benefecial”. Everyone believing their way is the only way has led to so much sinas chinam between Jews.
its really just the way their ideology works out. Liberals believe the economic focus should be on the community and cultural focus should be on the individual. And Conservatives believe the economic focus should be on the individual and the cultural focus should be on the community.September 21, 2012 5:05 am at 5:05 am in reply to: Why haven’t the Gedolei Hador & Leaders of Klal yisroel made a zman Teshuva with #1098968
another one of these rants. yeah yeah the world is going to pieces its never been this bad bla bla bla. Listen If your living the right way nothing needs to change. Just be the best YOU can be and theres no reason for all this hype about facing reality. Honestly it turns people off by just looking at the negatives in this world. Why not look at the positives, Jews are better off now than they’ve been in longer than any of us can remember. As long as we keep doing the best we can theres no reason to panic and scare the masses. Moshiach will come when hes supposed to and God willing that will be ASAP.
And the gedolim dont need to make days for doing teshuva, we have that and were going through that right now. It’s called Aseres Yemai Teshuva
first of all no intelligent person says obamas a communist, they say hes a socialist. which is where he wants to take the country. Hes pro taking from the rich and helping the poor. While this sounds like a nice idea, it can have detrimental consequences on the economy. His obamacare HURTS small business owners by forcing them to pay more for their employees, thus making it harder for them to A) be successful and B) create jobs which is exactly what economies need to thrive.
Its simple really, Obama wants to relieve peoples short-term struggles by giving them what they need for free. However long-term this will hurt the country because we wont be able to maintain these social programs. It already is hurting us were 16 Trillion in debt. We simply cant afford all these welfare programs. As much as i would love to ask the government to support yeshivas and kollels, we cant afford it.
And thats not even getting to the moral problem of forcing the wealthy class to pay for benefits that wont go to them.
Health- so you are “against ” people who aren’t good enought for you? Maybe you should start workIng on yourself before you criticize other JewsAugust 12, 2012 3:56 am at 3:56 am in reply to: Relevant to some people Ksav Sofer – Being A Nice Guy Is Great… But Not Enough #941805
WIY- This may be relavent to some people here. But theres another thing people need to know. You can do every mitzvah in the torah and be machmir on every little stringency, but if you lack the basics of bain adam lchavairo, your no better then someone whose just “a nice guy” and doesnt keep all the mitzvos
Choppy was your deal?? Why do you have so much hate towards people who aren’t like you. Treat people how you want to be treated. Hashem judges you the same way you Judge others. If you show Rachamim so will god, if you show din, so will god.
health- im seeing a double standard over here. Maybe you should re-read your posts
Curiosity- that’s fair. What you are saying is true about males generally being more logic based and females being more emotionally based. But my question is- this is not true all the time. There are males who are emotionally driven and females who are logically driven. By this logic certain women should be able to learn gemera and certain men shouldn’t?
This is why I feel that certain women should be allowed to learn gemera because chances are the ones who are interested in learning it are more intellect based
42- tell that to the people who believe women shouldn’t learn daf yomi cause they don’t have the intellect man does
health- your nice little study on smoking is not comparable to an internet porn addiction. Smoking is a chemical addiction, while looking at bad things is a mental addiction (although i will give you that it is also chemical but not the same as smoking). Additionally, the subjects in your study didnt have a “next to nothing” chance of quitting, i believe it was more than 7 percent who did quit on their own. Considering smoking is the stronger addiciton, kal vchaomer i would assume more then 7 percent of people are able to quit the internet addiction on their own. Further study is definitely needed
The problem with this thread is that it’s irrelevant. It seems like your trying to make people hold exactly what you hold. But everyone knows Torah is emes, the question is how it’s interpreted, and that Is not the same for everyone. Just cause a person doesn’t follow your gadol doesn’t make him “reform”
Health- saying “the likelihood is next to none” is basically saying it never happens. Your taking the extreme side to an argument and not finding common ground. I’m not sure why you always seem to do this
health and yeshivish socrates- you both have some valid points, and you both have some foolish ones. But cant you guys just agree to disagree in certain areas. We all know pornography is a prevalent problem these days and is something that has to be dealt with. To say a therapist can never help is simply foolish. To say using self-control can never help is also simply foolish. Some people quit addictions on their own, and some quit with the help of a professional, and some people never quit because they spend too much time arguing….July 22, 2012 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm in reply to: Rav Yisroel Lau will be the guest speaker at the siyum Hashas #887666
Toi- your making a fundamental mistake. Of course disagreeing isnt sinas chinam. But imposing your opinions on someone is. I may not believe the lubavich rebbe is moshiach, but if someone believes that its his right to believe it. I may not agree with it, or even hold that its assur, but even if it is so what? thats not my problem. Jews should be able to hold whatever their like and we shouldnt judge them. Especially at the siyum hashas were jews of all cultures and sects are joining together for the sole purpose of celebrating torah learning.
Repharim- “If you are not strong enough to do this yourself then you do something even better – install the filter on the computer, password it – tell him that you are installing it for the children. If he asks you for the password counter his question with asking him why he needs it. Obviously he will make up a legit site to go to and just tell him that if he needs to go to a site you will be more than happy to help him – but under no circumstance should you give him the password. Don’t ever let him watch you type it in, don’t make the password anything he will ever figure out. Check on the computer occasionally that the software is installed – you never know because he could uninstall it. IF he does uninstall it – the only thing you can do at this point is tell him the truth and do it nicely, calmly, understandingly and he will thank you in the long run.”
I pray to God that nobody takes this advice. This can destroy a marriage much faster then an addiction can. You dont understand how an addicts brain works. In his head He sees a goal, and then he needs the goal. By you manipulating his environment in order to stop him from achieving his goal, You become the source of his frustrations. This tears people apart. Your husband is not a child whom your babysitting. He is your EQUAL partner in life and it is your duty as a spouse to treat him like the adult that he is. IMO there is no one way to fix these type of situations. Every situation is different and its a decision that the couple needs to discuss.
I went to daven in his minyan for shacharis. I knew one of his gabbais who told his son to hook us up with brachos after davening. So I got a personalized bracha from him. Definitely something I cherishJuly 17, 2012 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm in reply to: Better to Wear a Hat for Davening at Home than to Daven with a Minyan #886079
Excuse me Mr yekke2, but im not arguing on the greatness of R Chaim. I dont doubt hes the gadol hador. But first of all he didnt make a psak about this, he just answered a question with his opinion. ANd even if he did make a psak, that doesnt mean hes my posek. I have a rebbe i feel comfortable asking any question i have. That doesnt mean hes greater then R Chaim, it just means hes my posek. Not everyone has to agree with everything R Chaim saysJuly 16, 2012 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm in reply to: Better to Wear a Hat for Davening at Home than to Daven with a Minyan #886051
Choppy- has it occurred to u that not every single Jew holds like r Chaim?
If 1/3 Jews make it then i would assume most of us will go. I mean what percentage of Jews are even religious? Sadly it’s less then a third so as long as your keeping the basics I would assume you’ll be saved
Morahrach- also what you touched on about not doing things out of fear. It’s a massive problem in some communities. People can’t always hold up to the communities standards and rather then act how they would like. They sometimes make the wrong decisions out of fear. Like missing shuir cause they can’t keep up, or not going to shacharis because their missin their hat
MorahRach- thank you for Being The only one who understood my point. We focus so much on the externalities and the nitty gritty details that sometimes we lose sight of the bigger picture. Of course it’s better to daven in a minyan with shorts then to not go at all
choppy- i completely disagree. If your frum lifestyle is not fulfilling, then you shouldnt be doing it. A big rebbe once told me.”I used to think everyone should be as frum as possible, but now im realizing people have to do what makes them happy. If your frum the right way, it should lead to a fullfilling lifestyle. But everyone connects to a different form of Judiasm and people need to do whats right for them. God didnt put us here to suffer.
Choppy- “And the difference is that almost every Beis Yaakov has ZERO issues with girls or mothers wearing pants. Or mothers with uncovered hair.
Plus, unlike in Syag’s example where most of the class went OTD, they have a very very small OTD rate.
Clearly the Beis Yaakov’s are doing things right”
Is your goal to keep people on the derech, or is it so they lead fulfilling lifestyles. Theres a big big difference. Scare tactics may work but at what cost?
phrum- im assuming most people did’nt get the Phish reference
These werent really the answers i was expecting. I mean i have no intention of not wearing shorts anymore. If thats how you hold i respect that, but dont tell me i wasnt supposed to be wearing shorts when i dont hold that way. I just think its sad that because i was afraid of people judging me i didnt make the best decision.
So I was wearing shorts today and I realized it was time for mincha. I drove there but then I realized that I would feel uncomfortable wearing shorts in a place where people would stare at me and Judge me for the way I dress. While I was deciding I missed mincha! I’m not sure what I should have learned from this story?
health- No i did not join the American Army. Thank God there are hundreds of thousands of brave men and women who volounteer to serve. However, if there was a draft would i dodge it? Of course not. If its something i have to do, i will do it. IN case your a little uninformed on the relative population sizes of America and Israel theres a huge difference. Percentage wise Israel needs a much higher percentage of soldiers, thus they have a draft.
And now please answer my question. Whats with the MO and tzioni bashing?
Health- So your saying that since the only jews (two) that you know who are in the US armed forces are charedim…so does that mean only chareidim are in the american army? or do you just know more chareidim then MO? For the record, i know several MO and ex chareidim in the Amercian army.
This seems like a no bashing on zionists and MO for no reasonJuly 12, 2012 6:07 am at 6:07 am in reply to: IDEA: Let the 100,000 attendees at the Siyum Hashas #884871
getzel- i plan on attending the siyum and im not against the draft idea. Your personal political opinions are not what the siyum hashas is about. Its a siyum where Jews of all different types join together to celebrate the accomplishment of learning shas…nothing more then that
infallible- yes looks are important and id also want to see a picture first. But dude come on, your making yourself sound way too shallow. You got way too much anger broJuly 11, 2012 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm in reply to: Who Are The Most Liberal Posters in the Coffee room? #888290
i think im a moderate. Conservatives accuse me of being too liberal, and liberals accuse me of being to conservative
“If an Arab Terorist stormed into the Beis Medrash ready to blow himself up
Do you pull out the sefer torah from the aron and wrap yourself in it to protect yourself, or do you pull out your Uzi and shoot him?”
i think people need to read this post twice and think about it…
ouch…i dont think believing in taxes makes me an american goy before a torah jew. Just trying to follow the halachas of dinah dmalchusah dinah
Good for you Goq you were right to make a point. However the cap may not solve the chillul hashem aspect. Its easier for non jews to spot out jews, even non-religious ones, then you realize.
i was being sarcastic. But i guess you really dont believe in taxes lol