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One thing I will say bad about Trump.
Trump Derangement Syndrome is real.
It affects both his supporters and enemies but his enemies seem to have it more acutly.
How else can you explain their obsession with him and blaming him for everything after he is long out of office?Refua Shleima to all those who have it
It started about ten years ago.
It isn’t such a major trend. How many people do you know who actually went there?
The cynical part of me wants to say what I know most people reading this are thinking.
The better part of me will say that all the marketing in the world isn’t going to make the grave of anyone reading this a place where masses of people will go to daven and people won’t be claiming that that they saw a yeshua after they davened by the kever of anyone reading this.
Rav Shaya MeKerstir was known as a tremendous machnis orech and baal tzedoka during his lifetime. A person overflowing with Ahavas Yisroel. And his brochas were known to have a higher than average chance of working. Therefore people feel his kever is a place to daven and doing mitzvas l’iluy nishmosey can bring yeshous.
Rav Yaakov Kamestsky said that there may or may not be living creatures (animals) in space but there can not be people like creatures with Bechira because Hashem would not have created people with bechira with giving them some sort of guidance and Zos H’Torah Lo T’hay Muchlefus.
Your best bet would probably be advertising and marketing it as a sefer for bochurim who are struggling understanding lomdos.
The typical bocher and yeshiva who is already into lomdus would not be interested in a English language lomdus sefer . The ones who would be interested are the ones who are trying to understand lomdus in the first place. But once you get those bochurim to look it it it will have a presence in the Yeshivos.
I have no issue with vaccine passes as long as
(1)there are vaccines available for everyone so not getting vaccinated is a 100% matter of choice
and
(2)there is clear medical evidence that the unvaccinated pose a medical risk to themselves or other by their presence. (Clear medical evidence does not include government or media “I said so. Don’t you dare question it or be too dumb to understand it”
Otherwise it is government overreach .
The above is for public places. A private group should not need condition (2)to require a vaccine pass.
She was lying then. She is lying now.
IOW she is a typical lawyer and typical person involved in politicsIf the stimulus was really about putting money into the economy and helping the disadvantaged it would do something for struggling seniors. They are the least capable of helping themselves and it the biggest need of help. How $3,600 per senior making less than $80,000 instead of per child?
But why would the Democrats care about or help seniors? After a lifetime of life experience they no longer vote for Democrats and anyone the Democrats focus on the younger voters. For the seniors the Democrats focus is on legalizing euthanasia and getting rid of them
To put things in perspective.
The stimulus is costing about six thousand dollars for every single man, women and child in the United States. The most anyone is getting is 3600.
And next year when the Democrats will be pushing to make some of the provisions permanent (you saw it here first) all the talk about what this stimulus is going to do for the economy will either be out the window, or they will point at the economic improvement from opening up businesses post corona as “proof” that the stimulus did such a great job so we nee more of it
<i>Taxes are not only mutar they are mandated by the Torah and the Rabbis. See what Rambam says about what happens to people who don’t pay their taxes.</i>
And see what the Gemorah says about politicians who stay in office by taking money from one person to give other people to gain the recipients support. And what the Gemorah says about the non-Jewish mindset that forcibly taking money from the rich to give to the poor is “chesed”
And see the gemorah about how you can not tax people for things they have no personal benefit from.
And see te Rishnoiom about what measures were in place ot make sure the 99% doesn’t use ttheir power of mmajority to gang up on the one percent and make them pay for who knows whatWhoever he is, presumably like Rabbi Trenk, he is working in a Yeshiva for those who are struggling.
So that is where you should look for him.
( Not that there aren’t any loving mechanichim in more main stream Yeshivas It’s just that isn’t so hard to love motivated Talmdim. No one is writing books about you for doing so)
Totally not connected.
The Israeli Supreme Court is a self perpetuating unelected group of people . No one in Israel is responsible for their actions. Plus they are the type of people who would probably agree with whatever anti-Israel positions the ICC take. Ditto for the Reform movement which is for the most part who would would also take the same position as the ICC in anything pertain to Israel
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I do however see the midda kneged middah in relation to Cuomo YM”S . He used his emergency powers to created red zones. Now they were taken from him in disgrace.He made it easier to sue Yeshivos with less proof over allegations of abuse. Now his career is getting destroyed over those allegations.
And in Gehonim they will be mashlim the rest for Cuomo
Even though I will benefit I remain opposed and think it is a VERY bad idea.
Even assuming the predictions of inflation and other problems this will cause don’t pan out these welfare programs have a terribly destructive impact on the people on it.
I’m an accountant. People tell me that they would love to work but can’t afford to ALL THE TIME!!!
Or as some people put in “work is a luxury that I can’t afford…”
Even worse I used to work at inner city tax preparation place. These single women used to tell me point blank that they had their multiple children to an equal number of unknown fathers only because of the lifetime government support they would get for them
Health,
I’m as far from a liberal as you can get.
Even so I don’t think anyone should make claims of “will of g-d” in relation to a congressional proposal.
Had Mr. Stueben argued either (1)that the bill is inherently anti-religion as opposed to a neutral secular law or (2)even in a secular society the bill is objectionable then I would be a lot more sympathetic to what he was saying.
(To be clear the liberal argument that the opposition to things like gay pride and abortion etc. is all religious based is baloney. Even the genocidal anti religious communist governments didn’t recognize gay marriage and opposed abortion when it suited their purposes)
He is correct. There has to be a separation of religion and state.
I would have put it differently and would have said
“Mr. Steube, Congress can not create the secular law in this country based on religious or anti religious viewpoints ”
I just want to make this clarification because this conversation is not on the level to have a serious sugya mixed into it.
You cannot unintentionally make an idol. If someone bows to your property it doesn’t become an idol or Avodah Zorah.
Without going through the whole sugya, The Rambam Avodos Chacomim 8:1 paskens
בַּמֶּה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים בְּבֶהֱמַת עַצְמוֹ. אֲבָל אִם שָׁחַט בֶּהֱמַת חֲבֵרוֹ לַעֲבוֹדַת כּוֹכָבִים אוֹ הֶחֱלִיפָהּ לֹא נֶאֶסְרָה שֶׁאֵין אָדָם אוֹסֵר דָּבָר שֶׁאֵינוֹ שֶׁלּוֹ.
<i>When does the above apply? Regarding one’s own animal. If, however, one slaughtered a colleague’s animal for the sake of Avodah Zorah , or exchanged it for an Avodah Zorah, it does not become forbidden, because a person cannot cause an article that does not belong to him to become forbidden.</i>
This has nothing to do with Trump statues and silly politics. Please don’t respond with them.
I could be wrong. Maybe it is possible to unintentionally make an idol. But please limits all proofs to Torah ONLY. No references to this particular statue. And no boich sevoras.
HUJU
Let me put this in terms you may understand.
This is what you call “man creates fictional scenario and then gets all worked up about it.”
There may be a picture somewhere of someone bowing to the statue but I sure couldn’t find it with a google . Not even on the notorious Trump Derangement Syndrome sites (no worries I’m sure one will be photoshopped soon).
There are statues of all other presidents as well. No one makes an issue.
As far as making something into a idol by someone bowing to it, something tells me that the brilliant OP (your description not mine) isn’t very clear in the sugya of “Adom Oysser Dovor Sh’Anoy Sheloy”
Or maybe you are right and I need your explanation. If you can back up what your saying based on the Gemorah, Rishonim and Poskim on the sugya I’m all ears
It’s hard not to notice the irony of Trump’s enemies rather than his supporters crowing him and statues of him as idols….
This Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting even more out of hand than it already was.
Some guy made a fiberglass sculpture of Trump to resell. Strongly insists it is a sculpture and not an idol after his his enemies decide it is an idol for him. Plenty of Obama sculptures for sale too.
The TDS crowd still screams he made a gold idol to worship.
Whatever.
jackk,
Your post is also more of a rant than actual cogent arguments that can be discussed.
but to address two
<i>Systemic Racism is not a hoax. It exists.</i>
There is affirmative action and other systems in place to make sure underprivileged white people don’t get ahead
<i> police brutality is an issue that needs to be resolved because it effects all citizens – whites too.</i>
And crime is an even bigger issue that needs to be resolved because it effects all citizens – BLACKS too. How many thousands of (mostly black) people did the liberals send to their deaths with the “police reform” after the BLM riots? How many thousands more will die for the sake of those “reforms” until a Republican takes over? (Hint: In NYC alone the murder rate is up fifty percent compared to a year ago. Over ninety percent of those murdered are black or Hispanic)
The Democrats and liberals who like to call “systematic racism” are usually also very anti-Semitic and Jews are from the first people they will be accused of taking “white privilege” that has to be eradicated.
I NEVER heard heard any Democrats or liberal use their “wokeness” and “victimhood” in defense of the Frum community. If anything they sneer that the frum community has a “persecution complex” when they are clearly discriminating against it.
A year ago the answer would have been “no”
Today the answer is “yes”
Impeachment today is such a joke and partisan game that you can impeach anyone over any accusation that will resonate with YOUR supporters. That is all that counts.
“Whataboutism” and “don’t deflect” is what liberals says anytime you point out their glaring hypocrisy and double standards. Which is something you see on a daily basis because as the saying goes “If not for double standards liberal would not have any”. Which is why they have to come up with a defense which is essence saying “my mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with the facts”
<i>L’Havdil, Rav Malkiel Kotler SHLIT”A went to Betzalel, a non-frum Jewish school in Lakewood.
Public schools back then did not teach the pritzus they do now. They were much worse. Most secular schools in the 20th century were very into Atheism and openly anti-Semitic. </i>
This isn’t true Betzlal was a(co ed) frum school. When RMK went there many of the teachers were from the BNG Kollel community.
Public schools were not very into atheism back then (colleges were)
Firstly they were more focused on teaching the “R”s so in general they taught much fewer controversial topics . Secondly every account of frum people who in public school back then talks the axiomatic belief in Christianity . No one mentions atheism being pushed.
It is true that they wanted people to be English speaking Americans and value the then prevailing culture but that had nothing to do with religion per se
Why are they getting divorced?
Because they had Shalom Bayis problems
Why did they have Shalom Bayis problems?
There could be literally hundreds of reasons. No way I can speculate on it even with knowing the people involved. Let alone without.
First of all coming in seventeenth place is nothing to boast about. Particularly when you a bloated system as bad as New York. Let them at least do something.
Second and more importantly the anti-Semitism, bigotries and racism which is being used to distribute these vaccines should make even the biggest Cuomo supporter have pause.
https://hamodia.com/2020/12/31/city-will-prioritize-vaccinations-hardest-hit-neighborhoods/
CTLAWYER
Personal question. Why can’t you make your points without such sneering condescension? Is it insecurity or arrogance?
Yes I’m aware that technically speaking the people judging are considered jurors, not judges. Being that they are the ones deciding guilt or innocence for a mostly predetermined punishment, for practical purposes they are judges too. No matter what you call them.
HUJU.
Don’t get your point. End of the day the decision that Trump is “guilty” of and must be tried for insurrection and whatever was made by long time enemies, 75& of the people judging him needed for conviction are long term enemies too.
Therefore I don’t believe there is any altruism or fairness behind this trial. I haven’t seen any response to this point. But for that matter I haven’t seen any convincing arguments that Trump is guilty of insurrection or what not either. Yesterday I was on a liberal political forum where the question was asked “how would you convince someone that Trump is guilty?” There ware about thirty answers. All thirty boiled down to either (1)because I said so or (2)if you don’t take for granted that Trump is guilty then I can’t explain it to to you
“Is it possible that they are impeaching Trump because it is the right thing to do?”
No.
Any trial where the decision to press charges was made by long time open enemies and at least 75% the judges needed for conviction are long time open enemies too is never the right thing to do and not being done for an altruistic reasons.
“That for generations to come children should see that actions have ramifications?”
I sure never heard Democrats saying such things when it comes to any other crime. To put it mildly The Democrats are only tough on political crimes like “hate” crimes. And a very specific type of hate crime as well. The ruder murder in places like NY and Chicago almost doubled after the BLM riots and Gorge Floyd “police reform.” But that us a complete non issue for Democrats. If the is murder being done by people who vote Democrat and for the non racial motives which Democrat gives a hoot about black lives then? Let alone “that for generations to come children should see that actions have ramifications”?
Reb E
First you try to bring a proof from Shaul HaMalech then you tell us Trump is not a king then you bring Achsvarus of all people into this. (What about the posuk of Mishpat Eched..?)Quit when you are not so behind.
Bottom line this whole conversation is a non starter. The idea of someone being judged by openly hostile enemies and with personal interest in the outcome of a trial that they don’t even deny(this includes the Republicans too) is so antithetical to Torah that there is nothing to talk about.
And that is just the starting point
Trump would never meet the halacha standards of masis umadiach.
And Halacha does not allow the judgement of kings to begin with… because it would never be a fair trial… (albeit for a different reason than Trump)
Ruvain
Don’t start with Gemorah and beis din.
The impeachment trial is so antithetical to Torah and Beis Din that there is no end but for starters he would never be brought to Beis Din over what is worst case scenario a grama and Beis Din would NEVER allow ANYONE to be judged by his enemies like the impeachment trial is doing.
And that’s just for starts. It’s questionable if this impeachment would meet L’havdil the secular standards for a fair trial as set up if the sixth amendment but last impeachment trial the Democrats brushed away such arguments by saying that the sixth amendment refers to criminal trails and impeachment isn’t a criminal trial(typical Democratic logic. Only by CRIMINALS do we worry about they are treated…)
It’s more like they are scared of Biden.
So much of the Democrats political identity is intertwined with hating Trump that at this point they desperately NEED him to stick around as a boogey man. An impeachment trial will unite the left but spilt the right, take the focus off Biden’s ineffective Corona response and other failures of his administration.
Without Trump and Republicans to fight with, without distracting their followers by blaming Trump and Trumpists for Americas problems they would (1)have to actually deal with some of them (2)allow the spot light to shine on their failure to do so.
That is what this impeachment is about about.
<i>That would have been illegal because of the Johnson Reed Act that I mentioned in the opening post. The Johnson Reed Act was passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by Calvin Coolidge, a Republican. There was no such thing as asylum under that law, even termporary.</i>
The people who passed the Johnson Reed Act had no idea the holocausts would take place decades later. Roosevelt and his fellow Democrats Democrats had the political capital and ability to easily make an amendment allowing temporary asylum while the holocausts was going on. They did even try.
Put the blame where it belongs.
CTLAWYER
There is nothing in your post to respond to hence my response was limited to an observation.
You are the one who responded to my comment that the next Republican to win will be a non career politician LIKE HC or BC by attacking both of them on a personal level bringing in white supremists and talking about “reactionary Latinos from the deep south such as Cruz” (where did that come in?) etc.
With such a response I can only respond that people with your bigoted and condescending attitude are why people vote for Trump or join either more radical groups.
CTLAWYER
It is people with your bigoted and condescending attitude which is very prevalent in the media that causes people to vote for Trump or join either more radical groups
Imagine how different the world would be if the Democrats running the United States at the time of the holocaust would have been willing to give TEMPORARY asylum to the Jews in Europe as was being requested at the time.
Imagine how different the world would be if it was the frum Jews who had Roosevelts ear during the holocausts rather then secular liberal ones.
Imagine how different the world would be if The New York Times as a Jewish owned liberal and secular paper didn’t try to hide and downplay the holocaust while it was going on.
etc.
(1)Yes to the the first half of the question. It doesn’t look like Republican are interested in career politicians anymore. Nonpoliticians like Ben Carson and Herman Cain are also very popular in the Republican primaries. My guess is that the next Republican nominee to WIN will be someone like one of them.
(2)The only way Trump can become president again is if (a)Biden REALLY messes up (b)At 82 Biden runs for reelection (c) There are no Republicans running in the primaries who manage to connect with voters (d)Trump actually wants to run again. IOW zero chance
Trump may run in the primaries again for the thrill of adoring crowds. That would be wonderful for whoever actually Republican nominee because the media focus and hate will be focused on Trump instead of him the entire primaries.
Presidential pardons rights are abused by all presidents.
<i>The democrats did not create an insurrection, so it does not mqtter what they said.</i>
Are you really that incapable of seeing fault in Democrats no matter what they say or are you just trolling?
BL’N I will no longer respond to you. You are a Democrat so it doesn’t matter what you say.
How about Democrats taking responsibility for some of this
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A lot worse and more explicit calls for violence than what Trump said
Yes. I know the Democratic response to this is going to be “don’t deflect” You don’t have to tell it to me
If anything violence towards the capital building is MORE justified that towards a random business district because
(1)the actions taken place in the Capital is what they were actually protesting . What did a downtown business district do to anyone?
(2)No one’s life (other than the police killed and those who the police killed) gets ruined if the capital is ransacked. Plenty of people had their lives ruined by BLM ransacking business or residential districts
(3)The capital has a police force capable of defending themselves (despite their horrible failure to do so this time). Joe Schmoe small business owner has no way of fighting back against the mob.
<i>“He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged – and FORSEEABLY (my emphasis) resulted in – LAWLESS (my emphasis) action at the Capitol, such as: “if you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country any more.” Thus INCITED (my emphasis) by President Trump,…</i>
When I first read this post I though it was written by an OPPONENT of impeachment trying to highlight how far fetched and weak of a case the Democrats have that Trump is guilty of anything.
<i>The Torah punishes a maisis umaduach to death.</i>
That would only be true what he said was explicit and unequivocal . Among other limitations.
When you see the events of last week you see another reason why the Torah only allows Beis Din to punish for garmey- borey hezeka and not groma
Once you can claim “you are guilty because you “caused” something” there is no end to what you can charge your enemies with Therefore if it isn’t clear garmey you can’t be punished for “causing” in this world. Plus there is no way to know what is someone else’s heart so “he meant to incite a crowd ” can not be decided by a human court.
(If some liberal politician said right before a BLM riot “We have to FIGHT police brutality. We have to FIGHT to make sure black lives aren’t lost at the hands of the police no-one would try him for incitement. The incitement charges are clearly being abused )
I don’t only mean Trump. The prosecutor said that he may charge people who were nowhere near police office Siticik at the time of his murder with murder-felony. That is so sedom like you see why the Torah does not allow human courts to punish for groma.
In general the abuse of “he caused” is an endemic in the American court system.
Reading some of the comments here I’m reminded of the old saying
“If not for the sake of double standards, liberals would have any standards to begin with”
Saying that there things for which rioting could be excused, or at the very least, looked at in a lenient light boils down to “if I agree with you it’s OK to riot if I don’t then it’s not.”
That is in fact the liberal position (when it suits their purposes) but it is totally unacceptable. The ends don’t justify the means!
The difference between killing a terrorist and a killing neighbor in an act of theft is that killing a terrorist is inherently justified. Even if someone is on MY side but killing innocent civilians I would agree that he deserves to be killed. And even if someone is on MY side rioting is unacceptable. There is no double standard.
If however you believe that rioting is sometimes justified then your issue with those who broke into the capital is that you believe they were on the wrong side so that makes what they did wrong. They don’t think so. They are just as entitled to their opinions as you are. Putting current events aside a stolen election is no less important and worthy of an issue than police brutality.
Actually the BLM riots caused and continue to cause the fatal deaths of who knows how many black people.
Aside from the acts of murder done by the BLM rioters themselves, the police “reform” they brought about caused a skyrocketing murder rates in many cities. But whatever, black lives don’t matter unless they are lost in confrontation with law enforcement, anyway.
The rest of your comment, Participant, boils to what I said before, the only consistency liberals have shown in this is their fidelity to their false belief that only the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is which side you are on. If riots are (more) acceptable for a “good” cause than anyone should have the right to riot because all people who riot believe that they are right. Whether they are in fact right or not.
Those involved in the capital riot believe they are standing up for democracy and preventing an illegal stolen election. They are only the bad guys because you don’t agree with them about that.
<i>The duplicity of Trump supporters here is simply amazing.</i>
Actually the only consistency I’m seeing among the liberals is that apparently they truly believe the only difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorists is which side you are on. And this side the protestors are not on their side…
Everything else is so contradictory to what they have preached to us all summer about violent protests.
It contradicts everything they preached about riots since always like “A riot is the language of the unheard” or “people don’t get themselves in dangerous riots unless they feel desperate” and many other sentiments of theirs.
It contradicts their reactions to riots which is usually inviting the political leaders who identify with them to present their views in Washington.
etc.,etc.,etc.
but whatever, this time for a change the protestors aren’t on their side so all their principles can easily be thrown in the garbage. Like they always do.
To correct the above To be clear I don’t see the capital invasion as being a big deal in regard to other forms of rioting like ransacking a downtown business and killing people in the process. It certainly is a big deal.
I don’t know if I would vote for him but I don’t regret voting for him.
I thought he was a jerk then and think he is a jerk now.
I thought that if elected on balance his policies and appointees would be better than Biden’s and still think that way now.
I thought he would act like a jerk if he lost and he did.
I blame the liberals for the capital invasion. The people involved saw footage all summer long of people rioting and invading government buildings.(and worse) There was no strong condemnation of that behavior. There were no serious punishments given out to those involved. They naively thought they would be looked at the same way.
They didn’t realize that (1)the capital isn’t just any government building(at least of this writing that is what it became when the liberals were storming the senate floor and disrupting the Kavanagh confirmation hearing no one expressed any outrage ) and (2) they was doing it for the wrong political cause and beliefs to expect the tolerance and understanding given to the others engaged in similar behavior.
To be clear I don’t see the capital invasion as being a big deal. I would lot rather see BLM ransack the capital than a random business district. No one’s life got destroyed in the capital by those who invaded the capital. Plenty of peoples lives got destroyed by BLM riots
<i>A Capitol Police officer has died from injuries suffered at the hands of Trump’s terrrorist mob.</i>
First of all based on the what the liberal has been telling me all summer , they were no terrorists mob.
They were a group of “protesters” and “resisters”.In fact unlike the liberal belief that the only difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is which side you are on, the actual difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is that freedom fighters limit their actions to government representatives and property whereas terrorists focus on civilians and civilian owned property. As such the liberal publications which were defending violence all summer should have a much easier time defending ransacking the capital than a random business district. But of course they won’t because the people in the capital are the wrong ethnicities and have the wrong political views.
Secondly there is obviously a lot of garbage and coverup so I’m not sure the police were innocent. Aside from the unarmed women who was shot in a manner guaranteed to kill her when there plenty of police who could have subdued her in other ways I don’t believe for a second that we are being told the truth about the three other people who died on capital hill. Three people don’t just suddenly die from medical emergencies at the same time and place without foul play.
There is an obvious effort to block information. A lot of the footage of the unarmed women getting shot dead in the capital was removed from Youtube. The police are not getting the benefit of the doubt this time.
But as above we are talking about the people with the wrong ethnicities and wrong political views so everything the liberals told us all summer about rioting/protesting and correct police behavior is now out the window. Some of the liberal publications even deleted their prior articles supporting violence. So did some of their politicians. AOC’s director of communications asked Twitter to BAN ACCOUNTS for merely quoting a tweet from her that seems to condone political violence.
But don’t worry. All liberal articles and tweets supporting violence and police hatred will be back up the next time BLM riots