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For the time being I’m through with the Coffee Room. The conversations lately are a clear illustration of the posuk that says שִׂנְאָה תְּעוֹרֵ֣ר מְדָנִ֑ים and too many of the posters here illustrate the mishna of שִׂנְאַת הַבְּרִיּוֹת, מוֹצִיאִין אֶת
הָאָדָם מִן הָעוֹלָםAs long as the conversations continue on this vein, for the sake of my health B’Ruchnius U’Bgasmius I will no longer be a participant here.
A specific thread headline , was the final straw in my participation here. I won’t mention which one because I know the frothing at the mouth haters who control and dominate so much of the conversation here will just double down on it
K’siva V’chasima Tova!
>>>The best vacation is spending a week or two or three full time in the Beis Medrash. (UJM)
Please take that vacation yourself. For now you come across as being full time in the coffee room.
>>>Was Uganda an alternative to create a safe place for all Yidden and keep EY for only a small religious community? Possibly.
Uganda would have been an absolute disaster. It had all the downsides of EY and none of the redeeming factors. It was an offer of a largely undeveloped and isolated piece of land without the topography or arable land capable of making it a sustainable one for a large group. The native population itself did not agree and was hostile to the idea of a Zionist takeover. To top it all off the British who were making the proposal did not have the undisputed sovereignty over the land .They had only recently taken over, never established a firm foothold and their presence was still being resisted by the indigenous population. How could such an idea possibly have worked out?
And as far as the small religious community in EY they would have been wiped out when the Arab Nationalists took over. Which they certainly would have.
>>>When the Mufti came to Rabbi Kook to complain, instead of decrying the wicked Zionists… (Hakatan)
You gotta to be kidding. You really believe that the mufti went to Rav Kook to complain about something and work things out??? LOL ,
Anyway for accuracy sake and according to all neutral reporting of those events, a temporary mechitza was usually allowed by the Kosel on Yomim Tovim. During the Yom Kippur tefilos of 1928 the Mufti decided that this was way too much of a provocation and successfully got the British police to remove it during the Yom Kippur tefilos . Afterwards the issue escalated.
According to the anti-Zionist propaganda I was always fed there is no way the people who were there on Yom Kippur and wanted to daven with a mechitza were Zionists…
>>>To all the commentators there and those that post in the CR that ask “if they have time to protest they can go fight” or “why aren’t they sitting and learning” the reason is because the Gedolei Torah that they follow said to do it, therefore it follows that what they were doing has the same benefits as learning Torah
That isn’t an answer to the question. It boils down to “because they said so”. If you believe that whatever they say is pure Torah haskafa no explanation needed, you will accept it. If you looking to understand what Torah principle makes it that when it comes to this issue all the talk about how Torah protects and no histadlus other than Torah and tefila is required or even allowed then you won’t have one. Let alone if you ask for maareh mokomos that prove the distinction is correct.
The Medrash itself seems to answer that. It wasn’t of sacrifice alone, rather it was the act of the vatrunus that it included. Hashem said that Klal yisroel had worshipped idols to which Rochel said that when my husband was being taken away from me, I helped my sister not get embarrassed, therefore you Hashem should turn away when idol worship is being done. It is the same concept of turning away from what belongs to you alone being taken away and not protesting.
>>>@somejewinknow it’s very simple Xtianity long ago stopped claiming (in a meaningful way, especially vis-a-vis common judaism) that it is the real Judaism. Zionism, on the other hand, still claims itself a valid form of (or at least compatible with) Judaism.
OK You have such a belief. Explain why it is obvious that what you are saying is true from a Torah perspective with maareh mokomos
@smerel
it is obvious that being zionist is worse than being xtian, both for the rushe and for the yiddishe tzibor.MR Somejewiknow. It is not obvious to me in the slightest that that is true. In fact I think those who believe such things are bordering on heresy and have created a new religion that revolves on their opposition to . But I’m an open minded guy. Please explain to me why this is so obvious in clear simple terms that even I can understand. USING MAAREH MOKOMOS ONLY. No boich svoras or frothing at the mouth, raving, hatred that you usually get when extreme anti-Zionists to explain their beliefs
>>>the blame of early zionists going OTD is not to laid at door of the rabbanim it is where it rightfully belongs – at the door of those zionists themselves you are supporting revision of real history
This in itself is a revisionist history claim as it implies that the early Zionists were frum but then went OTD when they got caught up in Zionism. In reality almost none of them were frum by the time they joined the Zionist movement and most of the anti frum had been anti frum beforehand too.
The anti-Zionist love saying things like Theodore Herzl used to light a Xmas tree and had at one point in time wanted to convert all Jews Xtianity. If that is true, then Zionism was a major step up from what those people would have been doing had they not become Zionists.
>>>Certain people in this Coffee Room never stop
attacking the Chareidim and never stop
attacking “The Ka’noim”.No one would attack the Kanoim if they would keep their big mouths shut. They run around criticizing everyone (except for themselves, of course) and spewing hatred for everyone while using very provocative insensitive ways of speech, and then they whine when they hated in return.
As someone had once been a big anti-Zionist kanoi himself the primary factor causing my leaving that world and current vehement opposition to that world was the realizing that had I been born a secular Israel or even Mizrachi, I would also hate the Charadie world and want to destroy it, if everyone in it acted like the kanoim. Who doesn’t hate a group that is always looking to fight with or at least make fun of them?
Concern for all Yidden even secular Zionists does not prove anything about anyone’s view about the state of Israel itself. But it still needs to be mentioned and is still an important point in these conversation because the more extreme anti-Zionists, do frequently express implicit or explicit apathy towards the lives of Jews living in EY. And also frequently encourage and openly identify with those who want to murder them Even when those anti-Zionists have long beards and peyos and claim to be based on Torah haskafa.
The type of people who cast blame on their misfortunes or lack of social standing due to being raised by people who were born post-Holocaust would probably be doing so had their parents not been the children of survivors too. Or found some other excuse. I know many people who were children of survivors themselves. Many of them have acknowledged difficulty due to their parents trauma. Not a single one of them blames their parents experiences for his own misfortunes or lack of social standing. So why would the grandchildren of survivors be doing so the same? The answer is because the grandchildren grew up in a generation where it was more acceptable to blame others, particularly your parents or education for your misfortunes or lack of social standing, whereas the children of survivors grew up before that became a common mentality.
>>>De Beers spearheaded the idea of getting engaged with a diamond engagement ring with its mass advertising only seventy five years ago. This is a newfangled idea. It has no place in Jewish tradition.
It’s possible that a diamond engagement ring is a recent innovation but the general concept is not. The Gemora talks about the customary gifts Chasanim send to kallas. The Torah talks about the jewelry Eliezer gave Rivka. Some of this is just current style. Just imagine a Chosson giving a nose ring like Eliezer did today
>>>The same with brides wearing a white gown for their wedding. It only first became a thing when Queen Victoria wore a white gown to her wedding.
It is extremely unlikely that some who got married in the 1800s set the precedent for all brides even in many parts of non-western society.
Secondly apparently frum kallas wore white for a very long time. From the reasons given for why Ashkenazi kallas do not wear any jewelry under the chupa is because due to the kedusha of the moment she should be symbolically dressed like the Kohen Gadol in the Kadosh Hakodoshim on Yom Kippur who removed his gold clothing and wore only wore white . Another reason is that similar to the choson who wears a kitel under the chupa. (among other reasons ) to be reminiscent of Yom Kippur when we wear white we want her to do the same
I agree about the hotel room.
somejew > story about the Chofetz Chaim is obviously a lie.
I already wrote a response but I checked last night but I checked in Kitzur Toldos Chayav for the exact quote the son of the CC said he heard from him which makes me believe the story is possible. The CC said about the Zionists “Tzu fuhn azelecher kehn epes gutes arois” (Even from those types something good can come out) He said it in the context of his opposition to Zionists in general but his support for resettlement of Eretz Yisroel
>>>that story about the Chofetz Chaim is obviously a lie. try learning torah instead of haskuleh nonsense.
Mr Some Jew. What are you adding to the conversation by expressing your belief the story isn’t true? Do you have proof it isn’t true or do you just expect people not to believe it because you said so?
I don’t know if the CC said it or not but it is possible that he did. He did support mass aliyah and did support the building up of Eretz Yisroel. And he explicitly referred to the movement to move to Eretz Yisriel due to the expulsion from parts of Russia as kibbutz golyus. I vaguely remember his son quoting him as having said something about the positive that can some from the Zionist movement if the Yishuv in EY is reestablished. Nothing to quote me on because my memory is too vague but it would make sense that the CC said what he is being quoted here as saying.
Skeletons do not have the lips to smile but the skull stricture curves upwards at the cheekbones so it looks like are.
>>>>The Torah teaches us here not to stand up against the nations even when they confront us. …Translation from “Shapiro, Rabbi Yaakov. The Empty Wagon:
This is a third hand quote from a sefer that wasn’t written by the Chofetz Chaim. You can be sure that the guy who wrote it didn’t give a hoot about the Chotfetz’s Chaim actual view on Zionism and only took what he could to brainwash his readers .
The view of the CC about Zionism is very unclear because he himself never wrote anything directly on the topic. Not only that, some of things he did write is used by the Mizrachi movement as proof he supported some of their goals . No one denies that he supported mass Aliyah and(frum) building up of Eretz Yisroel. Rav Leib Popkou (the son of the Choftez Chaim who wrote the Mishna Brurua with him was a member of Mizrachi. First on it’s Vaad Haruchni. He later became president of Mizrachi in Poland . I’m sure Shapiro didn’t tell you that. Rav Leib Popkou wrote in his biography about his father that the CC did see the wave of Aliyah after the expulsion of Jews from parts of Russia as the start of Kibbutz Goluyus. He writes much more on the topic beyond the scope of this post but he also wrote that his father was in fact anti-Zionist but he was never extreme about it and he opposed the anti-Zionist Kanoim too.
Therapy is frequently a scam but not always. There are three types therapy. Good therapy that helps. Bad therapy that doesn’t and only enriches the therapist while impoverishing the client . Ugly therapy that cause problems that weren’t there before. It needs to be clear that all three exist but it can not be completely discarded. .
To paraphrase the old jokes about lawyers (or whatever other profession you don’t like) Most therapists give the rest of them of a bad reputation. But you still need the few good ones..
Why would anyone want to hear more bitter emotionally laced posts from troll?
>>>The “lucky”. His “wins” are due to having stupid opponents that Trump can maneuver into making fools of themselves.
I’m not a major Trump fan but there is just a limit to how little credit you can give someone by blaming their opponents incompetence. Had a guy like John
McCain or Mitt Romney became president and their political heir would be heading the Republican party none of what Trump accomplished would have happened. That is aside for the fact that had Kamala Harris been running against another John McCain or Mitt Romney she very likely would have won the election. What did they ever think of doing that didn’t boil down to Democratic party-lite?Simple Question: Can anyone make an intelligent argument that Israel would have been better off during the Iran war had it been during the Iran had Harris and Waltz been in the white house? What is it?
Even from the Republican side, say McCain, or Romney would have won the presidency and it would be their types leading the Republican party. Does anyone think they would have bombed Iran’s Fordow nuclear facility?
>>>I’ll try to remember that principle when negotiating the purchase of a $500 Calabrian esrog or $50/lb box of hand-made shmurah matzoh.
No comparison to rental prices. If you can’t afford it you can easily do without a $500 esrog (or not buy an esrog altogether and just borrow one) or $50/lb box of hand-made shmurah matzoh (or ask for Kimcha D’Pischa. The Gemara says that Arba Kosos etc. in an exception to the rule of
עֲשֵׂה שַׁבַּתְּךָ חוֹל וְאַל
תִּצְטָרֵךְ לַבְּרִיּוֹת)
. When someone is living in an apartment with raising rents they do not always have the easy option to just moveNYC has been on the decline since the 1960s. There were some bumps and better times but the trajectory started then. Once the government focuses on social issues rather than the quality of life hard times are ahead. NYC is an exception to most big cities in that (1)it sometimes elected level headed officials and (2)it needs state permission to do a lot of things. Which prevented it from doing many stupid ones. But the way things are now NYC will soon be another Philadelphia, just bigger
>>>Just the opposite. Many gentiles have nothing against Jews and our religion, Judaism.
So now the NK has done away with “Esav Soney L’Yaakov” too. (They used to claim it only applies to the descendants of Esav) Of course the NK are not the first to do this. Most very assimilated anti-Frum groups believe that too. Most Mosrim who collaborated with those looking to kill Jews used the NK logic of by showing them that I/we the “good Jews” they won’t have issue with or bother me/us.
But that is where the comparison stops. Even the Mosrim and collaborators with those looking to kill Jews over the generations generally did not attend and speak at their anti-semitic rallies in an effort to lend support and fire up the crowd about the correctness of their cause. That level of Rishus is unique to the Neturei Karta
Whatever your view on Zionism is the NK are not a frum group. They are a Palestinian Nationalist group. And not just an a Palestinian Nationalist group , rather they always gravitate and advocate for whichever Palestinian Nationalist group is the most bloodthirsty and sadistic at the current time. They use their long beards and peyos to give a hechesr and haskama on people who in the non-Jewish world are looked at sadistic mass murderers. Not only that alredy in the 1930s Rav Chaim Ozer Grodzenski said about them and their ilk that for a Torah perspective they are less no guilty of the Shalosh Shevous and Hisgays B’Umoas than the ecther Zionists. Kal V’Chomr today when they are little more than a sadistic Palestinian Nationalist group
>>>If it did benefit, it is not to Trump’s credit. etc.
Wow. This takes being anti-Trump to a whole new level .Even when you think Trump did the right thig you still can not give him credit and say “I thank Hashem for putting the wrong idea in Trump’s head to benefit us,” Next time you wonder why people so blindly follow Trump realize that you have the same mindset. Only you are on the other side. Trump supporters can also brush off anything he did wrong by saying “Hashem put the wrong idea in his head” too
>>>I would point out that one of the scariest people who likes these Fringe isolationist and anti-semites is none other than Vance.
JD Vance does have isolationist views. They include things like criticizing Biden and co a June 2024 speech for not allowing Israel to fight Hamas without U.S. micromanagement. He opposes the US spending enormous amounts of money on foreign aid . He still co-signed a letter urging replenishment of Israel’s Iron Dome funding.
During the vice-presidential debate, he sid that Israel’s decision to launch a preemptive strike on Iran is “up to Israel” to ensure its safety, and the U.S. should support its allies “when they’re fighting the bad guys.”
It is important not to attack these type of people as being “anti-Israel” or “dangerous” for an across the board leaning towards isolationist views because such talk can create a self fulfilling prophecy.
For more perspective compare JD Vance = to his opponent, Tim Waltz, who said that the U.S. lacks neutrality to mediate peace between Israel and Iran, and that China might have the “moral authority” to broker an agreement.
>>>In (very) short, that means that if goyim – chas v’shulem – threaten masses of jews, our kosher responses are: make peace, give gifts, run away, and pray to G-d. What we are not allowed to do is organize an army and physically fight the enemy.
The Ramban in the beginning of the V’Yislach that says (32:4) says it differently. He says by prayer, by giving him a present, and by rescue by methods of WARFARE, and to flee and to be saved. Your haskafa disagree with the Ramban on this. I’ll go with the Ramban.
What about the halachas in Gemora and Shulchan Orech of Akum S’Tzero al Aiyoros ? That also doesn’t fit into your haskafa?
>>>Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, Joe Rogan, Steve Banon and all are now some of the loudest anti-Israel voices.
Opposing the US getting involved in a war does not equal being the loudest anti-Israel voices. You would be hard pressed to find a person of influence in the US today who is more pro Israel than Charlie Kirk. Including strong support for Israel attacking Iran. There is nothing inherently anti-Israel about his view that the war does not involve the US so it should not get involved . Some of the other names are anti semites in any case. Their opposition to the US involvement in the war is not necessarily a symptom of that. The long term Israeli view has also been not to involve US foot soldiers in their wars and not to allow US peacekeepers on its borders. Reason being that all it would take is a few American solders killed for the entire US to turn anti Israel
>>>wtsp: so since we have to give thanks to Hashem for the victories that He gave to the Israeli army, are you in favor of saying Hallel on Yom Ha’atzmaut and Yom Yerushalaim, as many religious Zionists do?
The question wasn’t asked to me but since it wasn’t answered I will. Saying Hallel needs specific conditions for it to be said. The religous Zionists beleive that those conditions were met on those days. Most other frum people do not. Thanking Hashem when the conditions for saying Hallel have not been met is something that should be every day. Or at least when one sees his hasgacha.
I don’t want to post further on this thread because it does not bring out good in people to continue on these type of “they are so terrible-we hate them” type of threads. I will say that it is going backwards. If the starting point was when do we thank Hashem, did Chazal ever praise Resoyim for their military valor on behalf of Klall Yisroel in a war they should not have gotten involved in (the answer to that is yes) and then applying it to the current situation (whatever your view on Zionism is) things would be more clear.
>>>At the same time, this was clearly a partisan event. No Talmidei Chachamim from other shitot were speaking
Not really true. Rabbi Yisroel Meir Lau spoke at the Siyum Hashas before that one. As did others who did not share Aguda haskafa
>>>Maybe if those who agree with the idea of having a joint siyum with Talmidei Chachamim speakers from several shitot (from YU, for example – R Schachter, R Willig, R Lebovitz, maybe also Chabad, Israeli groups…)
Firstly If R Schachter, R Willig, or R Lebovitz would be asked we all know that it would be spun as tacit endorsement of YU haskafa. The Siyum Hashas certainly does not need to turned into a controversial event. They do sit on the dais so it’s not like they are excluded from the event. Secondly when those three speak it is usually to a smaller crowd than then when those who speak at the Siyum Hashas do. So in terms of bringing attendees the ones who do speak are simply better choices. As far as Chabad goes putting everything else about Chabad aside why on Earth would they ask a representative of a group that does not learn Daf Yomi, let alone promote it, to speak?
Does it bother you why they don’t ask anyone from Satmar to speak or is that something you understand? (Satmar opposes Daf Yomi being a mass daily Limmud )
>>>for your made up speculative “concern” you decided there is a toeles to motzi shem ra on the beis of Jerusalem, headed by the litvish Gadol Rav Moshe Shternbuch shlit”a?
Um.. The point of the V’Yoel Moshe about the Aguda seems to have gone completely over your head. There is a major difference between a reference to the Badatz in the context of it’s function as a Beis Din and the Badatz in it’s function as a political group hanging up paskevilin and calling for demonstrations . The former is a respected group. The latter is just a bunch of baaley batim. As the V’Yoel Moshe says in reference to the Aguda the problem with these type of groups is that the Baaley Batim end up taking over. Rarely is that observation as true as it is about the Satmar affiliated Edah Hachredis.
I will not respond further on this topic
>>>what does your lushen hureh have to do with the statements of the Satmar Rebbe in Vayoel Moshe?
The Satmar Rebbe in Vayoel Moshe criticizes Agudah for being headed by laymen. As such it behooves all of his followers to take a good look at the Edah HaChariedis and the amount of power laymen have in that organization. At least when the Moetzes of Aguda puts out a statement you know that most of them actually support it. When a statement is put out in the name of the rabbinical leadership of the Edah HaChariedis it is frequently flat out Daas Baaley Batim using their names without their prior knowledge.
>>>To be clear (if you care to understand anything being discussed here), the leadership of Agudas Yisroel is emphatically a lay leadership with loose ties to the “moetzes”…
You would be hard pressed to find an organization more controlled by laymen than the Satmar affiliated Edah HaChariedis . The lay people in Agudah do not put out Kol Koreys in the name of the moetzes without their knowledge. The Edah HaChareidis does so on a weekly basis. It is alleged that Rav Yisroel Yaakov Fisher the Raavad of the Edah HaChareidis used to say that he reads the pashkevilin on his way home from Mincha to find out what he signed on last night…
>>>The Brisker Rov, The Chofetz Chaim ect. agreed with this psak
Please try to nominally verify facts before repeating them. Or at least determine if they were even possible. The Brisker Rav who was niftar in 1959 most certainly did not express agreement for V’yoel Moshe that was published in 1961. Let alone the CC who probably barely if at all even know who the Satmar Rebbe was.
The Brisker Rav was opposed to the some of the Satmar haskafa about Zionism. Particularly the confrontational approach they took and their attributing the state of Israel to the Sotton
>>>In fact, the Chazon Ish himself didn’t think the Zionist “State” would last more than 50 years at most
Wow. It’s been many years since I last heard anyone make that claim. (The claim used to be 40 years) Nowadays most people deny it and point out that there was never any actual verifiable source who claimed to have heard that from him . Those who knew him deny it being the type of thing he would have said. There a simple reason even anti-Zionists no longer claim the CI said it. Had the Chazon Ish really made such an off target prediction it would call his general assessment about the state of Israel into question.
If anything the Chazon Ish said that “Zionism” as the movement was in his time will not last more than 40 years into the state’s existence. There is no evidence that he said that either but at least it is true that in the late 1980s and certainly the late 1990s people were already saying that the Zionist movement of Mapam, Mapai, Makki, Herut etc no longer exists . When was the last time anyone heard from Hashomer Hatzeir? etc.
Rav Ovadia Yosef has a teshuva about saying Kol Moley Rachmim for Druze soldiers who were killed fighting in the Israeli army calling them kedoshim. He says the correct thing to do is to say it. For those who did not see the teshuva and can not bring alternate maare mokomos please spare me your boich svoras on the topic
>>>Even the FBI got involved and made a psychological profile of the killer who they said is “someone who knew him well”
So what? Had the FBI actually cracked the case going with that assumption that would be something. Being that in the world of reality they assigned over 25 detectives to the case, closed the entire dormitory where it took place for over a year (Which according to the them was both the crime scene and the residence of the murderer) repeatedly interviewed the murderer , (according to their belief of who it was)repeatedly reopened the case and still couldn’t come up with a single after the fact clue, I’m not impressed in the slightest with a theory of theirs. Neither should you , if you believe they are such total incompetents that despite all the evidence they had, they still couldn’t narrow it down between less than 150 people who they had easy access to and spoke to repeatedly. Yes, I know they claim no one wanted to talk. If people talked freely to the police, you wouldn’t need detectives to begin with. Their job is to get info from people who don’t cooperate. Not people who do. No one was charged with obstruction of justice (hampering an investigation ) But the police “know” that there is a coverup.
>>>It’s going to be shoved in your face every now and then until it’s solved and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Are you threating me here? I tried to stop anyone from discussing it? I asked a question of why it is being mentioned out of the blue (by someone who just started a new account) . Is my suspicion that you just read some online forum trying to convince you , or at least heavily biased in the direction, that someone inside the Yeshiva did it correct? Yes or no?
From my perspective, the reason the online world loves claiming and then rehashing the claim it was done by someone in the Yeshiva is because the online world loves blood libels against frum people. Even better if it against a Yeshiva. Here is a great chance to perpetuate one.
>>>I heard that from people that were in yeshiva at the time. Some even say they know who it was.
If they KNOW who it was why don’t they say so to people other than anonymous online posters? And don’t give me this coverup excuse. No one engaged in a coverup in such a high profile case is telling people who would broadcast it online that they are complicit in it. Why don’t you try to convince them to talk? Did a Rav tell you that you can’t help get a murderer handed over to the police? Which one?
Maybe had the police and co not done the investigation with such a heavy bias that it was someone in the Yeshiva who did it they would have found the actual murderer. I remember when it happened and I know many people who were learning in Long Beach at the time. Not a single one of them believes that had it been someone affiliated with the Yeshiva he could have avoided arrest by now. The amount of effort the police made to find him was just too much to avoid even a suspicion. They also all say that the online discussions of the story all heavily bend the truth and details in order to point suspicion at someone in the Yeshiva.
Why the new interest now? Were there any new developments or did you just read some online forum trying to convince you it was someone in the Yeshiva?
>>>The CIA shows it plainly on their website that they told the propagandizing Zionists that the war would take about a week and that the Zionists would wipe the floor with the Arabs.
Not true. The CIA never said that . I checked their website They did believe that Israel would win the war but nothing about a week and so little cost of life. And the CIA also promised Israel that it is their unanimous consensus that the Yom Kippur War will NOT happen. And the CIA at that very same time sent almost 60,000 Americans to their death in Vietnam saying that the US would win the war.
For the militant atheists yes the CIA prediction prove in the words of Yitchak Rabin “Anyone who thinks we won the six day war because God came to our aid is mistaken. It was all our superior strength and planning” Yes, Satmar strongly endorses and promotes the viewpoint of Yitzchok Rabin and co. Any independent analysis of the situation would indicate otherwise.
>>>The Satmar Rebbe’s book on the Israeli victory in 1967 (Al HaGeulah VeAl HaTemurah) says the win was since the Arabs were not very good soldiers.
The militantly atheistic anti religious Jews say the exact same thing. I’ve yet to see anyone try to provide an independent analysis proving this was true.
When one side (Israel) is outnumbered between 3 to 9 in everything , soldiers, weapons, planes, etc and is facing a muti national coalition tht is attacking them all sides they don’t usually win the war in a mere six days. If they win at all. Even if their soldiers are better.
Furthermore if you believe that Israel won the six day war so quickly despite being so outnumbered because they were better fighters, then you should also believe the Zionist argument that had we been around during the holocaust we would have prevented it . Because we know how to fight.
>>>The Brisker Rav noted that the “State” the Zionists have achieved is the “greatest triumph of the satan since the sin of the golden calf” –
This is SHEKER GAMUR and a tremendous disgrace to the Brisker Rav and Torah true Judaism.
Firstly whatever your view on Zionism is there is no way anyone can argue that they are worse than Yeruvem ben Nevat who made actual real egels and forced the majorty of Klal Yisroel to worship them. They aren’t worse than Menashe who burnt every single sefer torah in all of Eretz Yisroel (according to most opinions) and turned the Beis Hamakdush itself into a place of idol worship. They aren’t worse than the Yesvekitzia who successfully helped in the shmad of the three million people Jewish community in Russia. (The Yesvekitzia also persecuted Zionists with the same zeal as they persecuted frum people)
Secondly the Brisker Rav was of the opinion that the anti-Zionist belief that attributes the state of Israel and all of its succusses to the Sotton borders of Kefira. It elevates the Sotton to having power of a deity R”L. It is not so different (if at all) from them non-Jewish idolatrous view that all evil in the world exists because of the Satan. The Sotton does not “triumph” R’L . He does what Hashem gives him power to do
>>>Can someone please provide us with an exact source for this statement?
See the end of the second volume of Kisvei Rav Yosef Elya Henkin where he discusses haskafa issues and some of his articles in Torah journals in the early 1950s where he strongly, strongly writes against the behavior and secondary haskafas of the anti-Zionist kanoim.
Rav Yosef Elya Henkin was the very few Gedoley Torah from out of the Satmar orbit to have opposed voting in the Knesset elections so he was no Zionist. Unlike the troll question asked here and most of the anti-Zionist answers given here he was truly not a Zionist. But as Rav Yosef Elya Henkin wrote in the name of Rav Ozer Grodzenki, most of the anti-Zionist kanoim are no better than the Zionists themselves when it comes to the Gimmel Shavous and hsigarus b’umos. They happen to have a different vision than Herzl but they also want to control and conquer the state of Israel and install a government of their liking in the name of Judaism. What makes them different than Ben Gurion? There is also the Jabotinsky wing of Zionism, and the Kanoim wing of Zionism. Perhaps the kanoim are more aggressive, standoffish, confrontational and have been far more successful in turning people away from authentic Judaism over the past few decades. than the other wings of Zionism. But they all share the same goal. Control of Israel and installing a government of their liking while claiming to speak in the name of Judaism.
>>>smerel- uh no, the antisemites cant touch us if hashem doesnt want them to (source: the thirteen ikarim of the rambam)
Um…Where in the thirteen ikarim of the rambam does it say that Hashem took away the bechira of the anti-semites today?
There is a machlokes in the Rishonim whether a rasha would still have the bechira to kill a Tzadik who took all safety precautions and did not have in his mazal to die at a certain point but we will leave that aside. Where in the thirteen ikarim of the rambam does it say that Hashem took away the bechira of the anti-semites TODAY?
>>>We are told that there is more Torah being learned, more tzedaka being given and more chesed being done today than at any time in Jewish history.
Firstly who told you that? Secondly even if true, since the first Beis Hamakidash there was no probably no time in Jewish history that had the favorable external circumstances allowing for Torah being learned and tzedaka being given. (I’ve never heard anyone make that claim about chesed) Thirdly antisemites have bechira even today
>>>How did Yakov become Yankev
That one is easy. In many countries the letter AYIN was pronounced as an ANG sound . The word Shemah would be pronounced Shmang but with very little emphasis on the G. Therefore the name Yaakov would always have been pronounced as Yankov by them. (Actually Yankgev but with so little emphasis on hte g that it sounded like Yankev)
Even today in Amsterdam children are still taught that an AIYN in ang, Briskers repeat the words in Shema with an AIYN to also make that sound in case it is correct and some of the old time Yekke shuls still insist that whoever davens for the amud pronounces “Elokei Yangkov”.
I knew someone who was a twelve year old in a safe house under the protection of Wallenberg during the holocaust . He for his part was obsessed with the holocaust and his experiences. None of the Polish survivors I knew, who all went through so much more and worse were obsessed like that.
Anyway, there are different levels of being a holocaust survivor . The secular definition is anyone who went through Nazi persecution. Someone who was a child in Germany and left with his family in 1936 because of the way they winds were blowing is considered a holocaust survivor just like someone who went through six years of torture in Poland. There is an ulterior motive behind why the secular world stretches the definition so much. That way the holocaust is barley unique.
I think it depends on what someone went through. Even being in a safe house was terrible . But being someone who is worthy of giving brochas on par with a Gadol B’Yisroel because they went through the holocaust and remained frum is something I would only say about someone who was in actual concentration camps. Or an extended period in a ghetto. Or years of hiding in a forest . Etc.