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Don’t know if this counts for personally but Rav Lipa Margulis died of Corona two weeks ago but he was also in his late nineties and had many other complications
>>>All rabbi shapiro did was talk with atzmon in an interview with them both
That isn’t true. They both quote each other on plenty of other occasions and I’ve seen Shapiro make other references to conversation he had with Atzmon . As a rule by people like Shapiro hischabrus wiht resoyim is only wrong when the Rosha is suspected of being a Zionist. And if the Rosha is an anti-Zionist then even chanufa to Resoyim is allowed.
>>>What r wein is basically saying is that since the frei say it, they must be wrong
Rabbi Wein said nothing of the sort. It was a neutral observation commenting on political views and activism done in Russia over 125 years ago. BUT Chazal said “lo Bchinom holoch hzarzar etzel H’arov” is based on Pesukim in the Torah
>>>If the frei happen to be presenting military facts
If it were the consensus of secular world that would be true. If it is only the militantly secular who are presenting such “facts” but the more mainstream view is and was that the Six Day War results were better than any expectation then it is suspect.
>>>The state of Israel purposefully grew the myth of both the danger they were in as well as the legend of their unlikely victory.
To answer your question as to where Rabbi Wein’s observation came in, it because the only three groups who make such claims about the Six Day War are (1) Far far right frum groups (2) militantly atheistic anti religious secular Jewish Groups and (3)anti-Semites.
When Yitzchok Rabin said that “anyone who thinks we should be thanking for our victory is the six day war is mistaken. Is was all out superior planning” that statement was unacceptable in the frum world. Rabbi Shapiro saying it doesn’t make it any better or different. It’s not for no reason that Rabbi Shapiro is such good friends, quotes and appears at so many events with Gilad Atzmon (google the two names together) a guy who makes the typical secular Israeli seem like a tzadik. And it’s not for no reason that both of them are quoted in anti-Semitic literature
>>>His point was the the gedolim said that the 6 day war was a war like the American revolution, civil war, gulf war, and countless others that were within derech hateva.
That is exactly what the militantly atheistic Zionists say too. If the American revolution, civil war, gulf war and other wars were also a situation of very two unequal sides facing with such a quick victory for the weaker side with so few causalities for them I would also see and say that the Yad Hashem was on their side.
>>>So too here; Israel had a lot of advantages, so the war was not a miracle at all.
Can you name the Israeli advantages other than claimed ingenuity and better planning?
>>>But we don’t say halel on that, and we’re not even allowed to, as chazal say about someone who says halel everyday…
I don’t say Hallel for the Six day war either but based on that logic you can stop saying “Rabim B’Yad Me’atim and many other parts of the Chanuka story from Bemay MAtisyahu. I’m sure the Misyavnim back then also said the Chasmoniam were stronger, smarter etc and won through natural means.
>>>Why are they called laitzonei hador?
Because they refused to acknowledge Yad Hasem and said after all the years Sorah did not become pregnant from Avorhom it must be that she can’t and became pregnant from Avimelech.
>>>Ever wonder why the same people who consider themselves “rationalist”, eschew kabalah etc.
Actually the oppisite. Rabbi Berel Wein has the observation that throughout history three groups have frequently shared and advocated the same position with regard to various Jewish community issues .those groups are (1)The very, very far right frum groups (2)the militantly atheistic anti-religious Jewish groups and (3) the non-Jewish anti-Semites . This approach to the the Six Day War (and the general approach to the State of Israel today) is just a typical example following history.
>>>Where does the empty wagon advocate kochi veotzem yodi?
It doesn’t use those words but does have the exact attitude the posuk
וְאָֽמַרְתָּ֖ בִּלְבָבֶ֑ךָ כֹּחִי֙ וְעֹ֣צֶם יָדִ֔י עָ֥שָׂה לִ֖י אֶת־הַחַ֥יִל
הַזֶּֽהThat is exactly the way The Empty Wagon describes the six day war. Keep Hashem out of the picture. The fact the Israeli were facing armies with more than three times the amount of soldier, tanks, airplanes, money and other equipment each .And in some cases more than five times the amount of Israeli resources ? No problem. Israeli ingenuity knows how to deal with that. Hashem helped? What? Where does Hashem come into the picture? It was all superior Israeli strength.
You can’t get more Kochey Votzem Yodey than that.
>>>Smerel, rabbi yaakov shapiro’s “the empty wagon” devoted an entire chapter to this issue – he has all the quotes there,
I’m not going through a one thousand page book to find the quote and it’s source. Which page is it on.
Plus having read some of “The Empty Wagon” on this topic all I can do is note the irony of the fact that the book pushes the Kochey V’Otzem Yodey attitude even worse than the secular Zionists do.
>>>The CIA chief at the time said that Israel would win in “probably 6 or 7 days”.
Can you give a direct to where that was said . I know YWN does not allow links so give some basic ways I can find that prediction. I’ve tried to do so and all I could come up was predictions of Israeli victory between six and eight WEEKS with tens of thousands of Israeli dead (which actually matches the Israeli predictions)
Plus at that point in time the CIA was also predicating the US would quickly win in Vietnam as well.
So the CIA were no neviem and their assessment is of little value. Particularly when it makes so little sense. How was Israel with less than a third the amount of soldier, planes, tanks and other equipment supposed to win the war in less than a week?>>>Do you think the Tiananmen Square Massacre happened?
Yes
>>> And if you think it did, did China HAVE to do it as it had no other course it could follow?
To answer indirectly if the US was facing such an insurrection they would have responded the same way. Especially if the demonstrators were white.
>>>What about the Kent State Shootings?
Given the information known to the National Guard at the time (they were falsely told the demonstrators were armed) and given the violence done by the demonstrators over the previous days I do not blame the national guard for shooting at them
If I KNEW that what I hear about the Uyghurs is true and there were protests on their behalf I would join them. Being that my knowledge of the issue is coming from sources that I do not trust and even those sources are giving over very little information and no one else is organizing protests on their behalf, not even Uyghurs in other countries, I don’t feel I can get involved.
And no I don’t fault, say, some potato farmer in Idaho who didn’t protest the holocaust because he barely knew about it if at all
>>>He is completely narcissistic who has not stood up against white supremacists because he would have lost their votes.
Even assuming this was true the same would be true about most liberal politicians with regard to left wing anti-Semites who are much more of a clear and present danger to the frum world .
>>>Only showed concern towards his rich cronies with his tax cuts by enriching the already rich corporations.
Even assuming this was true how does this hurt you? The inflation and lack of work ethic caused by Biden presents problem for me on a day to day level.
>>>He wanted to overturn the election by choosing false electors through storming the Capitol because he did not like the results.
Again even assuming this was true this means that before the election you didn’t hate him so much?
To be clear I also think Trump is an absolute jerk who is all about himself and hope he never runs again but (1)I don’t think he is that different from Joe Biden and other politicians in that area. Biden happens to have a better temperament and a sympathetic press (2) I don’t think he is a as one dimensional as the media says and his enemies believe (3) I don’t have issues with his policies
>>>People only look at results.
You gotta be kidding. Do you think that people should judge a president by something other than results?
>>>It does not matter that the Senate is obstructing him
If not for the “obstructionists” in the Senate things would be a lot worse.
>>>he is unable to live up to his promises.
The Senate is not the ones who are stopping him from being the unifier who would lean across to get things done that he promised to be. It takes two to be bipartisan
>>>This is a slippery slope. Kuzari principle states that the Torah is proven v. other religions because it was given publicly to millions of people, rather than a small band of people, and then passed thru generations and could not have been conceivably introduced later on. If we take our trust in Golem to the same degree, we will successfully disprove Kuzari.
Totally off topic but it would have no bearing on the Kuzari. The Kuzari is discussing a belief that STARTED off claiming to have been witnessed by millions of people. An author making something up that goes on to become widely believed is no comparison. e.g. It is very easy to get both the pro and anti Trump crowds to believe all sorts of lies about him . But you could never convince either crowd that his first inauguration never happened or that his second one did. That is the scale of the lie the Kuzari is referring to
>>>I think that if the media and world hadn’t been pressing Trump from day 1 or rather even before he took office, he wouldn’t have had to go so extreme.
The rov of my shul almost never mentions politics (maybe once in five years) I have no idea what his personal political views are . Even so he did once make the point that Hashem is mevakash es nirdof even is a Tzadik is being rodef a Rasha . And in the case of Trump the people being rodef him aren’t tzadikim…
He said it in an almost neutral political context . Just making the point that the ENDLESS investigations and allegations (many proven false already) against Trump being made by open enemies with obvious personal gain and even impeachment trials being judged by open enemies who weren’t even paying lip service to listening to both sides before deciding how they would vote is totally incompatible with Halacha and Torah Haskafa and frum people should realize that
>>>If you don’t like Biden’s policies then give all the money he gave you
That is like saying if wealthy Democrats don’t like Trump they should continue paying taxes on as if he didn’t cut them.
And I AM paying for all the money Biden gave me. Heavily. Every time I walk to the store I see higher prices. the predictions and warning of heavily inflation were clearly correct. AND I or my children will one day be asked to pay back for it even more directly in the future as well. The 1.9 trillion covid relief bill added about $6,000 in new debt for every man women and child in the US
>>>Why would you rather trump win? Biden isn’t good that’s obvious
I know I’m in the minority but I don’t consider Biden to more any more trustworthy or morally better than Trump AND I dislike his policies. Therefore if it would be Biden against Trump I hope Trump wins.
Biden became president through means of deception and claiming to be someone he wasn’t (a moderate , consensus builder, a competent person who leans across the aisle to get things done etc.) With all Trump’s faults he didn’t campaign on a false platform. Therefore I trust Biden even less than him.
Biden happens to have the brocha of being born with a better temperament, impulse control and a media looking to cover up for him. If Trump had those brochas he would still be president. But aside for temperament Bideni no less of a person who would do anything to stay in power. No matter the damage to the US . He is a demagogue just like Trump but he knows how to be more subtle. Trump should learn to keep quiet. Biden usually refuses to talk because like all liars he knows that keeping quiet will keep him out of trouble.
And this is aside from all of Bidens policies which have only caused problems, the absolute corrupt idiots he has appointed for judges and other federal positions etc.
I agree that something changed about Trump. At this point I can’t stand him.
Even so if the choice boils down to Biden vs. Trump in 2024 I hope Trump wins. Even though I probably won’t vote for him myself.
>>>>Rabbi Slifkin discusses Unicorns at legnth in his book “Mysterious Creatures”. He demonstrates conclusively it does not exist
Sure and Slifkin knows everything there is to know. The Saola, the one horned deer that I mentioned was an unknown creature until the 1990s. You can’t prove an animal the size of a horse or smaller does not exist. You can only prove that it is not known to exist.
Like most people I assume it is not around anymore but a Cassowary is (probably) a kosher bird which has one one horn and many colors (including the skin under the feathers)
Of course I don’t think it is the Tachash. I’m mentioning it as an animal that 99.99 percent of people never would had heard of that meets some of the criteria being discussed (kosher, colorful, one horned)
Another such animal would be a Saola which a one horned deer whose current natural habitat in Vietnam and Laos . I don’t think it is the Tachash either (although it is more likely to be it that a bird)
You never know what others are out there
>>>I don’t follow so Sherlock Holmes, and Peter Pan have some truth because they are so well known?
I’m not sure what the question is. An unheard of 19th century author would not be about to create a universally known legend and remain unknown. That has no bearing on the fact that universally known fiction writers still write fiction.
>>>they cant just be from a 19th (early 20th for the latter) century author?
not sure what you saying with this at all
I doubt the Golem of Prague existed but why wasn’t he mentioned by… isn’t really such a question?
According to all version of the Golem story it’s existence was a strict secret at the time. Therefore it would make sense for people not to have heard of it. That would also explain why there is no written reference to it prior to the 18th century.
On another note while I doubt the Golem existed I also don’t believe that the origins of the legend are some obscure 19th century author . It could not have become such a widespread legend on the basis of some author who 99.99999% of people ever heard of in any context other than the claim that he was the one to make up the story
If an investigation is ongoing those involved should HEAVILY, HEAVILY, HEAVILY stress that they do not know whether the accused is guilty or not, they are gathering information anyone who can help should please do so.
That way on the one hand people know to be wary of the person but OTOH peoples life aren’t being destroyed over allegations. It also avoids t creating a heavy prejudice either way before the investigation even starts.
(I heard from a lawyer involved in prosecuting these type of things that he tries very hard to get the media and social media involved in these cases because he knows that once they do the defendant has a zero percent chance of acquittal.)
There is absolutely nobody that I would bentch gomel if he won. In the end there will be plenty of garbage no matter who wins. The question is how much and how bad.
For Republicans I would want someone Desantis, Halley , Pence, Walker or a guy who isn’t a career politician like Ben Carson. (That would be true of either party but a non-career politician has no chance among the Democrats)
For the Democrats I would want Joe Manchin or John Delany (Delany is a former democratic congressman who ran in the 2020 primaries. Had he won would have been from the few Democratic nominees I would have voted for on a national level. During the debates he was talking common sense to which our VP K Harris “brilliantly” responded with “those are Republican talking points so I won’t address them”)
>>>And similarly the commenters here who continue to express support for the attempted coup that would have ended democracy in the US
Curious to know:
Does anyone here truly believe that the January 6th riot was an attempted coup that would have ended democracy in the US?
If you do believe that can you elaborate on your beliefs?
Bonus question: Do you also believe that the Democratic congressmen who refused to certify in Trump in 2016 were looking to end Democracy in the US? Do you also believe that the Democrats who tried to get Trump impeached on the basis of lies (Russian interference in the 2016 elections)and falsified documents (The Steele Dossier) were trying to end democracy and are at least as guilty as those who didn’t want to certify Biden?
If not why not?
>>>And I would be absolutely shocked if the Founding Fathers weren’t all anti-Semites as most goyim of their time were.
It’s safe to say they were a lot less anti-Semitic than the typical progressive Democrat is today.
>>>>My point is, can we stop treating the image of the USA as the Founding Fathers envisioned it as some sort of gospel that can be no wrong?
It’s no gospel nothing but Founding Fathers of the USA did make a country that was a haven for Jews like no other known country has ever done. Those who are looking to drastically change it are also looking to undermine the principles of WHY it has been such a haven
In one way I do have a respect for CERTAIN animal rights activists. It takes sacrifice not to eat meat. I was once driving to a county agricultural fair and passed some animal rights activists protesting the farming and eating of animals and thought you have to give credit to middle aged people who would stand the whole day in over ninety degree weather holding signs specifically in an area where the people passing them aren’t going to listen and think they are crazy. We can learn from their mesirus nefesh
OTOH most animal rights activists ARE crazy. They protest wearing fur but wear leather shoes (some don’t do even that) They protest medical tests on animals even though the human suffering with the lack of these experiments dwarfs that of the animals involved. They protest kaporos but not only ignore KFC they even ignore Red Lobster even though lobsters are cooked by boiling them to death. They oppose farm animals but ignore those who declaw cats, which to a cat is like missing a finger to the knuckle. Etc.
Bottom line is the Teshovos HaRashba gives the guideline of dealing with animals and says that all normal animal usage is allowed by the Torah. (Rav Moshe writes that because of this Rashba force feeding animals like foie gras are prohibited. So the animal right activists are actually right about that one) Even from a secular perspective the Rashba is probably the most humane balance for dealing with animals
>>>A lot of news recently from the commission about texts being sent to the former WH COS from fox news hosts and Jr, and also a PowerPoint on how to commit a Coup.
If after going through over 6,600 PAGES of Meadow’s documents the worst the January 6th commission can come up with is a bunch of texts from Republicans trying to get Trump to stop the rioters, then the committee has nothing on the Republicans.
For those with TDS even had Trump gone in person to stop the riot he would be 100% guilty anyway. I don’t consider him 100% innocent but in fairness to Trump the mob breached the building itself at 2:12 PM. At 2:38 p.m. he tweeted, “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!” A short time later, at 3:13 p.m., Trump added a note, “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!” At 4:17 he posted a video on Twitter telling the rioters to stop. He did not wait until it was over to protest like I sometimes see him being accused of.
I’m no Trump supporter but I oppose government commissions consisting of long term very biased enemies with unrestrained subpoena power and no transparency even more. Which is exactly what the January 6th commission is
For the record I am against the efforts to get government funding for private education. It will only cause problems. I do agree with the plaintiffs in this case. If the government is funding private education without policing any of the curriculum then why are the religious schools being excluded?
However from a frum perspective government funding of private schools would be bad news. There will almost certainly be rules attached that will exclude Yeshivas. There will also be rules that will greatly increase costs of education and in places like Lakewood and Monsey where the frum community is the majority they will be the ones bearing the bill anyway through their school tax portion of the property bills. Plus you can be certain that down the line the government will make rules that will cause major problems for Yeshivas.
To put things in perspective the Catholic preschools (who unlike Yeshivas have no issue with accepting non-Catholic children) are fighting AGAINST Biden’s Build Back Better funding of preschool education saying that there is no way they can comply with those regulations. That boils down to the (1)government funding of free preschool but (2) but only if they are aren’t religious. That would put them out of business. (Same principal as this court case)
>>>Would the SC agree that the the state should pay for Muslim , Buddhists and scientology schools?
If private schools are being paid for, yes. The conservatives on SC are not so dumb so as not to realize that possibility.
>>>In the wedding case decision , the SC ruled that a business is allowed to discriminate based on religion
They never made any such ruling. They ruled that a business can not be compelled to service a customer who is asking for them to do something that violates their religion.
Won’t have any major ramifications for Yeshivas in places where the government does not pay for private school. This isn’t a case parents asking for religious schooling to be paid for. They are saying that if the government anyway unconditionally pays for private schooling what are the grounds to discriminate against religious school?
In Espinoza v. Montana Dept. of Revenue. the Supreme Court already ruled that once a state is any funding private schools it cannot disqualify some private schools solely because they are religious.
>>>Smerel I hope you never need an attorney to help you in your own frivolous lawsuit.
Uh…I hope I would never engage a lawyer for a frivolous lawsuit. I’m going to repeat that lawyers have a terrible reputation in the US and it’s not for nothing. A frum lawyer who fought for the wrong side because they were the ones padding his pockets is no better than a non-Jewish lawyer who did the same (in that area)
>>> YWN appears to be a case of a couple complaining of bias when they weren’t provided with a privilege that other passengers don’t receive.
Not exactly. They are claiming that the flight attendant went through the overhead compartments and ONLY removed the bag with Teffilin .
I would never sue in such a case anyway but I also think that most lawsuits in the US are little more than legalized theft (lawyers don’t such a terrible reputation for nothing) If anything this is more of a case of some couple jumping onto the “sue” bandwagon.
There are no frum communal organizations taking up this couples cause.
I’m not going to get involved in this conversation and certainly not about specific people but I will however say over something that Rav Yaakov Kamentky said in a smooze in Camp Ohr Shraga at a time of controversy.
“If there is a difference in opinion between me and the Satmar Rebbe whether a specific person is a Tzadik or a Rosha then just go with the opinion of whoever you usually follow because it is probably an underlying haskafa question based on Mesorah. If however despite our similar haskafa and upbringing there is still a difference in opinion between me and Rav Moshe Feinstein whether someone is a Tzadik or a Rosha then no matter who your Rebbe is and what he told you STAY AWAY FROM THAT PERSON!!!”
Thirty years ago things were different. Generally speaking a Jewish politician even a secular one could have been counted on to have a Jewish identity and identify with Jewish causes. Even frum ones.
Today we are better off with a conservtive non-Jew than a secular Jewish politician. And from people like Bernie Sanders and the other left wing “Jewish” politicians we can only expect hostility. Even worse than from the average non-Jewish politician.
If a politician makes reference to his being Jewish in a context other than when it benefits him politicly it’s one thing if he lights a Menorah. When a guy like Doug Emhoff lights a menorah all I can say is “What are you celebrating? Your side lost!”
Under the circumstances I do not blame the US for using Nazi scientists for their own benefit. Even today if they could recruit Iranian nuclear scientists I think they should. Would you prefer they continue to work for Iran?
People like Wernher von Braun (who lied repeatedly about his involvement with the SS)
was an evil person but the American veneration for him and his work in NASA was due to believing revisionist history and Braun’s lies. Not because they forgave his Nazi pastDoes anyone here believe that had it been White Trump supporters who did the BLM riots and black Biden supporters who did the capital riots we would be looking at the same reaction (and lack thereof) today?
Actually I’ll take the bait and say there are other issues at play here.
The actual trial did not have any accusations of racial bias. It judged the case on its merits. (One of the) defendants shot someone at close range. Defendants claimed they were engaged in self defense because they were looking to make a citizens arrest but the victim tried to wrestle away their gun.
Defendants lost the case.Story should stop here unless anyone has a specific reason to think the verdict was incorrect.
However the Biden administration and Justice Department (as opposed to the state of Georgia)filed an indictment which alleged that the defendants killed Arbery only because he was black. Without alleging any factual basis in their indictment.
Aide for the racism and prejudice of the Biden Administration assuming that “white guy kills black guy must be racism” but of course when “white gets killed by black guy” there is never any racism involved. If the murderer explicitly expressed racial motives, well then. he was mentally ill, the rush to filing indictment of the Biden administration makes criminal justice into an “us against them” issue as opposed to a mutual goal.
Always remember however that Joe Biden is a great unifier…
>>>Interestingly, but not surprising, now there are some people who supported rittenhouse’s innocence who suddenly suspect the legal system of an injustice.
And of course the opposite is also true. People like say President Biden who were so quick to express how they are among those Americans left “angry and concerned” by the Rittenhouse verdict not only aren’t questioning this verdict in any way they are also calling it “a devastating reminder of how far we have to go in the fight for racial justice in this country”.
I won’t go into an halachic analysis because this is not the right venue but to paraphrase what the Brisker Rav said about this question, the amount of effort and depth it would take to understand Nach properly would make it into a primary area of study.
They type of places which focus on Nach rarely produce serious Talmedy Chachomim. Even their seforim on Nach are rarely learned. Conversely the type of Talmedy Chachomim who are major experts in Nach (like Rav Yisroel Reisman) did not spend their Yeshiva or kollel years focusing on Nach.
The following is not specific to Lev Tahor but these type of situations in general. LT happens to be the example because they are under discussion
Frequently when are accused and presumably guilty of very bad things all judgement other than negative judgment is thrown out the window.
Even TODAY after all the things LT has done I still oppose a mass kidnapping/saving of all the children there and having them placed in better foster homes without an unbiased individual investigation on a case by case basis.
I know LT would never cooperate with such an investigation but if you have the power to take away children then you have the power to investigate.
Much as I DESPISE Trump I would still want him to win over Biden. Even so I don’t know if I can bring myself to vote for him
>>>the Chazon Ish even applied the Sanhedrin executing those publicly dressed grossly indecently, which isn’t an official death penalty crime.
Where is this Chazon Ish written?
What about the Rishonim who explicitly say that “Makkim V’Onshim etc.” does not apply to misas beis din?
As above I will only discuss this with you if can give clear maare mokomos.
Otherwise it’s ironic that you would start a thread about not establishing the facts before acting
UJM
Before I respond to you further do you even know which Dafey Gemorah the story with Shimon Ben Shetoch appears?
Can you share that with us along with the context that it is mentioned in all of them?
After you give that to us I’ll explain why it seems so clear that he determined guilt before acting
No idea where the assumption that Shimon Ben Shotoch did not convene a Beis Din to determine if the women were guilty or not is based on. That it is not the impression one gets from learning the sugya where the story is discussed. It is true that the story of the witches did not go in accordance with the normal procedures of misas beis din (for reasons discussed in the Gemora and Rishonim) but
it seems pretty clear that he did determine their guilt.Even those involved in the Salem with trials themselves untimely came to agree that it was aterrible travesty.
But of course the people who read the mainstream media are pure consumers of truth and fact.
As above it amazes me to see people trust and parrot what they are being told by the mainstream media and they fault Trump supporters for believing what their side says.
One of the few things Trump supporters and opponents both agree about and are both right about is that the other side is full and overflowing with Sheker.
Jackk:
I’m not going to argue with you but I will say this:
I hope you don’t look down at the radical fanatical Trump supporters —frequently referred to as cultists on the online world- because the only difference between you and them is which side you happen to be on.
In fact I think you should have major empathy for them because in essence they feel and believe exactly the same way as you. Just from the opposite perspective.
>>>The lawyers that followed Trump have all paid the price for trying to destroy American democracy.
Wow! Your whole post is so full of emotion, malice and slavish party line propaganda I can only only ask do you really think you are more objective about this than a crazy Trump supporter?
For me personally the fact that Democrats SCREAM and RAVE with some emotion and ridicule about this issue is one of the reasons that (1)I don’t trust them and (2)I think that deep down they realize that maybe there really was election fraud.
To quote Shakespeare “Methinks that women doth protest too much”
>>>Trump would actually have had a better argument if he had retained legitimate election experts and lawyers to press his claims.
Initially Trump did in fact try to legitimate election experts and lawyers to press his claims.
The harassments those law firms got from Democrats caused them to drop the case. The harassments those law firms and anyone who dared say that “MAYBE fraud took place let’s look into the allegations ” got from Democrats is one of the reasons I’m not convinced it didn’t take place.
Not saying it did of course. Just that I don’t know but DO know that if it did the Democrats and media would lie and do whatever else they could to cover it up.
>>>If the election were stolen how did those who rigged the election allow Republican candidates for Congress to outperform Trump by large margins. Wouldn’t they have also stolen those races?
Actually the irregularity of that (1)so many more votes were cast for Republican congressional candidates and that (2) so many people voted only on the presidential level but ignored the congressional races has been used as a proof of voter fraud.
It is totally not a question as to why did the fraud only occur on the presidential level? (1)There was a much bigger passion among the fraudsters to see Biden win/Trump lose and (2)it is much easier to spread it out and make the fraud less noticeable on a presidential level
I don’t know.
I have no evidence that the election was stolen but I don’t put it past anyone to engage in election fraud.
The Democrats spent many years telling me that Trump only won because of Russian collusion without giving me any evidence either. Apparently they don’t believe that winning the election through voter fraud is particularly difficult.
Why should I now assume that none took place? Because the people who four years ago were telling me about the election being a result of Russian collusion are now telling me that all such claims are false and baseless?
In the absence of clear Rabbinic guidance from respected Rabbonim (not aguna activists-see below) I don’t see how anyone can get themselves involved in a fight that doesn’t pertain to them and don’t know both sides of the story.
I’ve seen video’s of Aguna protests. Some of the people in the crowd looked like they were relishing the opportunity to fight with and harrras someone else. I won’t even start with those who harras family members…
A certain rabbi who was a major aguna activist (he no longer is due to external factors) told me point blank that he takes it for granted that a women coming to him is the victim and saying the truth even without speaking to the husband.