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(1)Yes to the the first half of the question. It doesn’t look like Republican are interested in career politicians anymore. Nonpoliticians like Ben Carson and Herman Cain are also very popular in the Republican primaries. My guess is that the next Republican nominee to WIN will be someone like one of them.

(2)The only way Trump can become president again is if (a)Biden REALLY messes up (b)At 82 Biden runs for reelection (c) There are no Republicans running in the primaries who manage to connect with voters (d)Trump actually wants to run again. IOW zero chance

Trump may run in the primaries again for the thrill of adoring crowds. That would be wonderful for whoever actually Republican nominee because the media focus and hate will be focused on Trump instead of him the entire primaries.

<i>The democrats did not create an insurrection, so it does not mqtter what they said.</i>

Are you really that incapable of seeing fault in Democrats no matter what they say or are you just trolling?

BL’N I will no longer respond to you. You are a Democrat so it doesn’t matter what you say.

If anything violence towards the capital building is MORE justified that towards a random business district because

(1)the actions taken place in the Capital is what they were actually protesting . What did a downtown business district do to anyone?

(2)No one’s life (other than the police killed and those who the police killed) gets ruined if the capital is ransacked. Plenty of people had their lives ruined by BLM ransacking business or residential districts

(3)The capital has a police force capable of defending themselves (despite their horrible failure to do so this time). Joe Schmoe small business owner has no way of fighting back against the mob.

<i>The Torah punishes a maisis umaduach to death.</i>

That would only be true what he said was explicit and unequivocal . Among other limitations.

Reading some of the comments here I’m reminded of the old saying

“If not for the sake of double standards, liberals would have any standards to begin with”

Actually the BLM riots caused and continue to cause the fatal deaths of who knows how many black people.

Aside from the acts of murder done by the BLM rioters themselves, the police “reform” they brought about caused a skyrocketing murder rates in many cities. But whatever, black lives don’t matter unless they are lost in confrontation with law enforcement, anyway.

The rest of your comment, Participant, boils to what I said before, the only consistency liberals have shown in this is their fidelity to their false belief that only the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is which side you are on. If riots are (more) acceptable for a “good” cause than anyone should have the right to riot because all people who riot believe that they are right. Whether they are in fact right or not.

Those involved in the capital riot believe they are standing up for democracy and preventing an illegal stolen election. They are only the bad guys because you don’t agree with them about that.

To correct the above To be clear I don’t see the capital invasion as being a big deal in regard to other forms of rioting like ransacking a downtown business and killing people in the process. It certainly is a big deal.

<i>A Capitol Police officer has died from injuries suffered at the hands of Trump’s terrrorist mob.</i>

First of all based on the what the liberal has been telling me all summer , they were no terrorists mob.
They were a group of “protesters” and “resisters”.

In fact unlike the liberal belief that the only difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is which side you are on, the actual difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is that freedom fighters limit their actions to government representatives and property whereas terrorists focus on civilians and civilian owned property. As such the liberal publications which were defending violence all summer should have a much easier time defending ransacking the capital than a random business district. But of course they won’t because the people in the capital are the wrong ethnicities and have the wrong political views.

Secondly there is obviously a lot of garbage and coverup so I’m not sure the police were innocent. Aside from the unarmed women who was shot in a manner guaranteed to kill her when there plenty of police who could have subdued her in other ways I don’t believe for a second that we are being told the truth about the three other people who died on capital hill. Three people don’t just suddenly die from medical emergencies at the same time and place without foul play.

There is an obvious effort to block information. A lot of the footage of the unarmed women getting shot dead in the capital was removed from Youtube. The police are not getting the benefit of the doubt this time.

But as above we are talking about the people with the wrong ethnicities and wrong political views so everything the liberals told us all summer about rioting/protesting and correct police behavior is now out the window. Some of the liberal publications even deleted their prior articles supporting violence. So did some of their politicians. AOC’s director of communications asked Twitter to BAN ACCOUNTS for merely quoting a tweet from her that seems to condone political violence.

But don’t worry. All liberal articles and tweets supporting violence and police hatred will be back up the next time BLM riots

Unfortunately we are in a bad situation in the liberal run areas. If we fight back we will be blamed.

To be clear I do think we should fight back. In fact I remember back in the early 80s when the situation was worse than today there was a major fight in my Brooklyn neighborhood. A then (niftar long ago) member of the Moetzas Gedolay H’Torah told people afterwards that they should have called the JDL . On Shabbos. And despite that gadol’s personal general vehement opposition to the JDL. (Had the JDL limited itself exclusively to self defense he would not have opposed them) The Chaptzems were also a very effective crime fighter.

But that was then when the police were apathetic towards fighting crime but didn’t arrest those who did so themselves.

Today when guilt and punishments are determined by skin color, frum people are considered guilty until proven innocent it’s not so simple to fight back without making the situation worse.

It depends on the degree of hatred and personal gain people having from hating Trump.

The Lincoln Project is working very hard and making a lot of money off creating a Trump type McCarthyism where even long after he is gone they can still profit off keeping him around as a boogeyman. All Republican candidates are accused of being “Trumpists” that have to be liquidated.No matter What the Republicans do The Lincoln Project will insist they are fighting “Trumpism”

For people with less profit motive or less TDS it will depend on how successful Trump’s greater enemies are keeping him in the public sphere and as a focus of public attention.

It would be more accurate to say Corona Anti-Semitism (again)

No other would have the ethnicity of those who allegations are being made against so public.

(This is actually one of the oldest form of anti-Semitism all the way back to the Sar Hamaskin in last week’s Parsha וְשָׁ֨ם אִתָּ֜נוּ נַ֣עַר עִבְרִ֗י עֶ֚בֶד לְשַׂ֣ר הַטַּבָּחִ֔ים)

Sukkos time when corona numbers were high in Jewish neighborhoods the government was saying that we’re to blame, we’re spreading the virus, they targeted us for all sorts of harassments. etc.

Now that a vaccine is here they say how terrible it is that people of that color and other minority groups got so much corona, society is to blame and those groups (bit of course not us) deserve priority in getting the vaccine because of how much they suffered.

I’m guessing this is a troll post (and I am a Trump voter) but to clarify one thing Chazal did not “decree that Jewish babies should be named after Alexander the Great” because he was such a Ohev Yisroel.

The Gemora (Yoma 69A) which discusses the meeting of Shimon Hatzadik and Alexander the Great does say they made a Yom Tov after meeting him (because they prevailed upon him not to destroy the Beis HaMikdash) but makes no reference to any takona to name anyone after after him.

The earliest source for such a takana is Josephus who says they made that offer to him to avoid offending him when they refused to accept a golden sculpture of him that he wanted to donate to the Beis HaMikdash.

Whatever many faults Trump has, ruining the GOP is not among them.

The mainstream media can tell you Trump turned most Republican politicians into lying sycophants (in real life I never met anyone who uses the word sycophant)all they want but in real life there is little difference in the typical Republicans politicians behavior in 2015 and 2020.

As far as turning Republican voters into conspiracy theorists it was the Democrats who spent years on Russian collusion and other such conspiracy theories and indictments. (I do agree that many people have gone nuts with Trump Derangement Syndrome but for the most part they aren’t Republicans and it was the media, not Trump, who caused that syndrome)

As far as the general state of the GOP after Trump goes. Unlike twelve years ago when Obama first won noone is writing the obituary for the GOP after Biden won. No Republican presidential candidate in the past sixty years has gotten such a high percentage of minority voters. If anything Trump has shown that the predictions of the GOP demise due to the decreasing percentage of white voters is not true

The question cannot be answered with general terms and rules because it would depend on

(1)who and what are the current other options

and

(2)how much of his personal faults are being kept personal and how much of his personal faults and views is he trying to force on everyone else

In the memory of recently departed David Dinkins I will say that I would a prefer a corrupt and somewhat anti-semitic person who strongly values law and order over a nice guy like David Dinkins for mayor any day. The Crown Heights pogrom would not have happened had the former been mayor. It did happen with the latter.

If Joe Biden can run at 77 years why can’t Trump run at 78?

Dai L’boh min h’Din Lehious Kanodin

Randi Weingarten is a lot bigger threat to public school parents than Yeshivas.

With all her many faults when she headed the NYC UFT she didn’t pick fights with Yeshivas

She focused exclusively on lowering the quality of education in the public school system

This isn’t unique to the frum.

Pretty much all non-Islamic religious groups strongly support Trump nd the Republicans.

Even the Amish who don’t vote unless they feel threatened by a candidate supported Trump.

It’s not really Trump support as much as the recognition that the Democrats are becoming increasingly hostile to religion so it is of prime importance to have Republicans in office.

The Muslims are the exception because liberal beliefs require making an exception to their general view of religion and respecting Islam

The question of why do frum people support Trump with all his faults is hardly unique to the frum world. It is true of most non-Islamic religious groups

It’s not because anyone has illusions that he is some sort of saint. The reason they want him re-elected is that he is from the few things preventing the US from turning into quasi-socialist, anti-personal freedom, anti-religious, and even more anti-non-minority country.

Much as Trump makes fun of and insults politicians he disagrees with, he NEVER starts up with religious people, leaders, practice or belief. He also never tries to control the life of John Doe in the street who is looking to live his own life and mind his own business.

I live in the NYS area and work in NYC. Every time I turn around I read about the politicians competing to make more laws, more bans, more fees, more harassment of the working class who are not on entitlement programs and lower the quality of life.

With the exception, of course, made for illegal immigrants, criminals and LGBTs who receive obsessive government focus and concern.

And when it comes to religion and morals… To put it this way. It is a much bigger deal in the Democrat party that the governor of Virginia allegedly wore black face thirty years ago than his current support of infanticide.

Yes it would be wonderful if Trump had the personality of Ronald Reagan or even Obama. But Obama’s efforts to force Catholic employers to go against their religion providing certain employee benefits is a lot more of threat to freedom of religion than Trump’s personal failings.

Trump’s moral failings are personal. He makes no effort to force them on anyone else. The issues the frum world has with the Democrats are issues of ideology that the Democrats are actively looking to force on others.

What is Trump’s view on closing down shuls and Yeshiva in an ostensible effort to stop the spread the Covid and what are the Democrats views? Who is sending inspectors to fine CLOSED Yeshiva and Jewish (but of course not non-Jewish )owned businesses in the Red Zones.

That is why frum people vote Trump

I’m no major Trump supporter but even the most ardent frum Trump supporters I know of don’t consider him to be a tzadik. To put it mildly. No one is putting his picture on their walls.

On a more personal note to you Mr. Slimshim1, I suspect that your hatred for Trump isn’t really because Trump is evil personified but rather because the liberal media TOLD you that he is evil personified, Meaning that you are probably someone who ingested more than a healthy share of the what our enemies in the liberal media who are also enemies of Trump say about him.

The more frum crowd is simply less aware of the sordid parts of Trump. They don’t have social media accounts, they don’t follow him on Twitter , they have no idea about what the enemies of Torah who are also enemies of Trump are saying. Their new source is The Yated.

You probably be better off Chinuch wise following their example.

<i>though the Satmar Rav did say that if the Zionists went to the Nations saying they want out, then the Nations would find a way to figure that out while protecting our brethren there.</i>

This sounds like Motzey Shem Ra on the Satmar Rebbe. He couldn’t possibly have been so naive.

If the “Zionists” went to the Nations saying they want out, the Nations would not care about protecting our brethren there more that they did any other time in history.

Having read through some (not all) of the book I won’t debate the points and beliefs of the author despite my disagreement with most (not all) of them. Instead, I’ll share the general feeling the book left me with.

The Chazon Ish who he named the book after a conversation of his also said that you have to realize not to fight the wrong battle. (That was his reason for dropping the fight against the use of Modern Ivrit)

It is simply a shame that the author spent so much effort on it.

(One ironic haskific issue with the book is that the author engages in the same revisionist history that the militant atheistic anti religious crowd does in order to claim to Kochey V’Otzem Yodey was the reason for Israel’s military victories. Particularly in the six day war)

The book does not clearly define what “Zionism” is or who the “Zionists” are. As such one can be left with the impression that all of those who believe in the idea of a Jewish state or those who simply were born in Israel today to non-Charieidi parents are collectively responsible for the actions of a few people that were done without the knowledge of the majority.

Or that someone born in Israel today to none-Charieidi parents shares the same values, goals, motives, and beliefs as the people who fought for the Zionist movement before the state of Israel came into existence.

That simply isn’t true. There is an anti-religious element in Israel today (particularly in the media and court systems) but most of them aren’t motivated by Zionism but rather by the same beliefs that motivate the anti-religious secular Jews in the US. Most of them are actually post Zionist and anti-Zionist. (And some are motivated by the harassment they received from groups associated with Rabbi Shapiro’s viewpoint)

Rabbi Shapiro is a brilliant person with so much to offer the frum world. In times like today when Yiddishkeit is under attack from all sides, there is so much he could accomplish for the frum world and Torah.Had he written a 1300 page book against the CURRENT enemies of Torah and their ideologies he would be from the strongest spokesman for and defenders of Torah Judaism in our time. His former website, frumteens, was a lifesaver for some. Tragically he closed that website down and chose to use his talents and energy to fight people and ideals that are long dead.

Chaval Al davdon!

<i>If the Israelis come up with a peace plan that the Palestinian people support in a free election, the conflict with Hamas will disappear.</i>

This is about the same as saying had the Jews figured out a way to appease the Nazis the holocaust never would have happened. The holocaust was the result of their failure to do so

I used to be semi MO

I left for two reasons

(1) Difficulty in finding a shul or community that really lived up to some of the MO ideals I was looking for. Not saying they don’t exist. Just saying that I couldn’t find them in my area.

(2)They were on the wrong side of the Slifkin issue.

I’m not even debating the actual issue itself It is just that the incredible Emunah Peshuta towards what scientists say and the quick and easy dismissiveness towards what LeHavdil Chazal said, which is very prevalent in many segments of the MO, seems to be a major factor in their lack of ability to keep an enthusiasm for Torah. In my case it caused me to leave,

The question in itself shows an obvious bias.

There is no work requirement for any welfare recipient. Those who are in Kollel also benefit from that. And people in Kollel are technically students. More welfare loafers are not.

As a vehement opponent of programs, I see the Yad Hashem in this to encourage kollel. Why else (other than getting voters and supporters of course) would rational people support a system where working makes no sense, you can be better off financially as a loafer than a taxpayer?

Today, however, things have gone the other way. The systematic racism and discrimination is affirmative action which discriminates against white males.

There is plenty of institutionalized racism in the US but it isn’t directed against blacks. It is directed against white people

Sotomayer, that “wise Latina lady” who thinks her race makes her superior would not be on the Supreme Court if she were a white male making the equivalent comments about Latinos.

It would be unthinkable for a politician to talk about looking for a white male to fill a position . It is totally acceptably to express a preference for hiring a non-white.

Elizabeth Warren didn’t lie and claim to be a minority on her Harvard and job applications because whites have an equal shot in this country.

etc.