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Whatever it is, there is something in his head, and we need to acknowledge that even if we need to fight his influence.
A similar discussion is about whether Yaakov should have made a shidduch between Dina and Esav instead of boxing her. Some of baalei Mussar (R Salanter?) says maybe Yaakov was correct hiding Dina but he was wrong about being so enthusiastic about locking the box, some sadness that it was not possible to help the brother was appropriate. That means we should mind our safety, but look for opportunities to help even those who attack us.
It does start with the machshava … Compare this power of thought with a pathetic leader who makes pronouncements and the opposite happens: “Afg government will be stable”,”only minor incursion is allowed”, and now he is warning reshayim who threaten to use weapons with mass destruction. Given the track record, the world needs our tefilos to melch malchei hamlachim. as the regular melachim are clearly not there.
I was pleasantly surprised by the number of people in shul lining up to sign the pruzbul. Seems like lots of humble people running private gemachim. Tizku b’mitzvos.
Depends on how you define “MO”
if you think of nominally affiliated, marginally observant Yidden, they are not “MO”, but of course should be helped
If you think of people who go to YU and maybe go to court without a kippah after attending selichos in the morning – they may not benefit from your help, as they might be more learned than you are
If you think about people with crazy modern fetishes, like OO – they might be not receptive to your preaching. You may want to take a sefer, not directly addressing their fetishes, and sit and learn with them. At some point, with more learning, they may get better
ujm, indeed, maybe this can focus us when we daven to Hashem not just for your next year parnosa but for the fate of the gantze velt… Never before in history were people informed better about what is going on, so we have no excuse not to pay attention.
We have 9 b’Av because we were crying for no reason, and then we were told we will have the reason. Same about worrying about all the nonsense.
Modern life is full of distractions. In old times, I presu,e. when Babylonian army was coming your way, everyone was scared. Now we had people before WW2 worrying about this and that political silliness rather than preparing for a real threat. You don’t read about that much in history books, as if everyone was talking about important things. They were not, and needless worrying made people miss important things. Learn from those mistakes.
> If it is truly declassified like nuclear secrets
As a Rosh Hashana thread says – be positive. Should we worry about every newspaper headline that has no facts behind it?! What if T did this or that. Save your heartburn and prayers for real reshayim, like Putin who announced 2 days ago that he might respond to nuclear threats by his nuclear weapons.
RebE, to be precise he is quoted as saying:
” you can declassify just by saying ‘it’s declassified’ – even by just thinking about it.””.Possibly first part is what he means, and the second part is a guzma.
As to the need for procedure, this is l’havdil medauraita/medrabanon issue: it may be a minor aveira to not follow instructions, but he can say that he came up with a different classification approach. This should, and probably will, go to the Supreme Court that is the right avenue to deal with Presidential powers, not local judges over the whole country attacking Trump like a pack of wolves.
mdd, so your “russia” theory seems to be like that: there was a RUS 1.
Then, most of it became slaves to Mongols. Some of this RUS 2 were relatives of princes of RUS 1. (not Moscow, but nearby, I guess).
RUS 3 joined other Slavs (Poles, etc). They are out, because!
RUS 4 (Moscovia) became best Mongol’s slaves, so they eventually got some power from their masters. Not related to princes of RUS 1, I think, but lived near RUS 2 and helped Mongols to pacify RUS 2.
RUS 5 took over multiple other nations at great violence, made RUS 4 it’s capital, then moved capital to another place but still RUS 5.
RUS 6 killed the tzar of RUS 5, let RUS 1 free, then conquered it again. “Have You Murdered And Also Inherited?!” as Eliahu would say.
After killing millions of Yidden, RUS 4 and RUS 1 and other peoples, RUS 6 legally dissolved, with RUS 4 and RUS 1 becoming separate nations.
Now, RUS 4 says I am RUS 1 and is firing artillery into RUS 1, ostensibly their own brothers.
I had fun figuring out these mathematical connections, but I still do not know why you think it makes sense.
Note what you are proposing to the world: if every country follows this tortured logic, there will be immediate wars all over the world: India/Pakistan; Japan/Korea/China; Canada/US; Germany/Poland; France/England; Britain/Ireland, etc, etc. I suggest you strt by reading some Kissinger about Westphalian treaty and its meaning, or something except RT.
jackk > How many more people is he going to send to their deaths for a war that he is losing?
Apparently, many nearby countries are not accepting people fleeing the draft. This is a very Rosh Hashonish question: what is a real teshuva?
These Russians were comfortable going to work while their country is attacking the neighbors, but are planning to flee when they personally are affected. So, is this teshuva mi’ira? Is it accepted or dismissed as self-serving? Some apparently fled when the war started but then came back as draft did not appear likely.
Maybe the safest way for the draftees is to get to the other side and fight for Ukraine – then they have a higher chance to survive. Although, they will be tortured if caught. Maybe, they should promise Ukraine that they’ll work somewhere far from the front and then ask neighbors to let them proceed on a bus directly to Ukraine.
How about Sephardim?
on history: After Chmelnitskiy, imach shmo, rebelled against the Poles, his people decided to become an autonomous part of Moscow’s Russia, and Russia agreed to defend them against the Poles.
I recall that Chm-ky wanted to partner with Russkiies against Poles, but they know only one part of partnership – of a master and an eved knaani, so he got what he earned. Midah k’neged midah indeed.
I wish .. there are no rimonim in regular stores, and a “kosher” store priced it in inverse proportion to freshness. I guess, this year it will symbolize expensive mitzvos. Can someone count – how many are those?
My Esrog seller ZT’L was great, I loved to overpay him. He was a Talmid Chacham who was following Chofetz Chaim derech using esrog sales as his means of support. When he was elderly, he moved away to his children. At one shiur, both my Rav and I mentioned that we used to do esrog business with him, and the next week we found out that he was niftar. My impression is that the neshomah travels the world at the end, at least places where the person was before.
Note that during WFH, number of shirts sold exceeded number of pants sold.
It looks like the most objectionable part is sending “without a notice”. Otherwise, there does not seem to be an issue sending people from a state neat the bvorder to another friendly state, right?
I presume no-notice had a reason. Maybe the receiving state would find a way to stop the bus or not let illegals out of the bus. Not sure. If this is not a problem, I would suggest a courtesy notice next time.
As it is, it may be an emotional storm (in a teacup), but how big is this problem? 100 people show up uninvited…They can wait at a bus stop for an hour – it took them way longer walking over the Mexican border. In an hour, people can bring blankets and food, or order them on Amazon.
Maybe the point was that Texas got these guys without an advance notice from Mexico, so NYC should feel their pain?
I was told here that graduate school is a separate institution, associated with YU just for accreditation. According to this shitah, this would be kosher. I do not like it, the names of people, and institution should mean something. “Revel” may be the appropriate name, though.
where do they spend their money during the trip? presumably on hotels, taxis and food in EY, helping support multiple Israeli families. Maybe, the goal _should_ be to make trip to Yerushalaim more popular by charging less from the visitors, as it was during olden times.
> also apply to child tax credits, transportation benefits, etc. as well, so it does not answer why you see income based benefits
This is a good question. We do generally depend on other people in modern world and it is hard to escape. Obama’s shitah is indeed that an entrepreneur “did not build that” because community provided resources. Indeed, same entrepreneur born in North Korea would rise to smuggling goods from China and we need to be grateful to people who support our lives … My feeling is that Y’D talks about any income-based help as the context is “helping the poor”, but then many tax credits are also income-based. Maybe, it means being in the category where you can take more than you give (see R Dessler defining people as givers OR takers). Maybe someone wants to look for more sources on these or ask a shailoh?
Avram, it looks like the core disagreement is whether various benefits are neutral to the desire to work. At one extreme is unemployment that clearly ties into work requirement, at the other – “universal income” that is given to all or just poor people.
I think many benefits are somewhere in between. Our own views may be colored by what learned in the family and around, so let’s look at rules. Here are again quotes from Texas. Other states may be “more generous”.
If a child’s parent or relative gets TANF, the parent or relative must agree to:
Train for a job or look for work. …Not quit a job. Take parenting skills classes. Get vaccines for their child. Make sure their child is going to school.Most people ages 16 to 59 must follow work rules to get SNAP benefits. Work rules mean a person >> must look for a job or be in an approved work program <<. If the person has a job, they can’t quit without a good reason.
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Whether it’s Medicaid, SNAP food benefits (formerly known as food stamps) or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families cash assistance, HHS is helping Texas families >>> get back on their feet. <<<So, do we have anyone left in this world that we can relate malchus to?!
Do Xi, Putin, Kim count?! The gevurah side?Maybe learning world history about Pharaohs and Ninve kings will give us an idea
Many rabonim are warning us that a friendly Esav is more dangerous to us than a non-friendly one. I wonder whether we just push our faults on him and essentially ask Hashem for prosecution, has vesholom … Maybe we should rather become mature enough to learn to deal with Esav… Yaakov was afraid of meeting him, no doubt, but he prepared and he dealt with the issue. He could have gone to the desert towards Mecca. And Esav’s head ended up @ Machpelah, and maybe did even better with the shidduch to Dinah … tzarich iyun.
Just bought a pomegranate at the price of esrog… Can I use it as such?
Thanx Brandon.Gadol > Where does the OP say the neighbor feeding the firds is a yid
OP said that he is hevrusa with the neighbor’s husband. Maye I misread or they are learning mitzvos bnei Noach. Non-jews indeed would not need to show concern about the neighbor by dina demalchusa, but some do. Maybe then need to think how to approach the neighbor in a good way.
> His husband says that they’re accepted
This sounds sad, but do you actually have evidence beyond the obviously posul person?
Dont get angry at Jackk – he is simply channeling what he reads. some other smarter people found how to misdirect a losing discussion about migrants into a discussion about DeSantis. I would suggest not to respond. Jackk has previously admitted that he has no problem posting one-sided arguments the way non-Jews do, aka freedom of speech, why would we encourage him to do more by responding? This is pure lifnei ever, and maybe then jackk will start posting something more responsible.
> How I came to have such views will have to remain an enigma. Though, I think, you can decipher it if you try.
An admission by a Russian troll?! As you might know Nazi “enigma” cipher was cracked, and so we eat leeks in the honor of your organization.
back to history: ok, I understand that area of Moscow was somewhere between old “Rus” of Kyiv and Novgorod – was it part Rus or more Ganza, not sure. How does that support Moscow’s claim to be in charge of Kyiv? It would rather support Kyiv’s claim on Moscow (and many other Russian and Belorus cities). If the claim is simply “one culture”, “one nation”, similar to Nazi’s claim on Austria, Sudeten, ..
then maybe Moscovites should propose a weak and fair union? I understand they do have some organization that is joined by their satellites. I am talking about genuine partnership where Ukraine is an equal partner, like early EU. Would this make more sense that bombing the most Russified areas of Ukraine?!Also, maybe pass to your Russian friends – they do not understand how voting works. They annexed most of the pro-Russian part of Ukraine 10 years ago. That means. remaining voters are more anti-Russian and will elect an anti-Russian government. I am not even mentioning those who changed their views.
mdd, I do read some history, and I do know Russia’s view. I am specifically curious about how you came to this view. I presume that you are an observant Jew with some Torah sensibilities rather than a member of oprichnina or something.
PS I hope Normans will not find out in time that queen of England is niftar and re-occupy it!
> Esav soneh Yaakov does not mean Yaakov should become a little more like Esav to make him less hateful.
Not annoying Esav is the original Yaakov’s tactic. Maybe we need to look at the context: volunteering without yarmolka to a after-office beer party is one thing; representing a client in front of a jury is different.
CS > Avira was called MR
Just had in ketubot another Rav sending a message to R Huna addressing him as “Huna” – and gets severely dressed down. In my view, denying someone’s Torah learning is a bigger insult, especially coming from a “frum” person.
Again, I do respect your sensitivity and I am on your side. I also do not tell people “trust me because I am an Orthodox Jew”.
On a personal note, I am not big on titles, and never introduce myself as Dr. AAQ, just firstname. Some people for some reason call me Mr. AAQ, and that is OK. But one person with whom we had some disagreements always calls me “Mr. AAQ”. I was wondering whether I can respond with “Mr. X” instead of R’ and whether I should do it publicly. You seem to suggest that this would be fine.
Mdd > know more about the situation there and the historical background thereof than an average person in the US, Canada or the UK.
that’s pretty modest of you. Average US person may not be able to find Ukraine on the map. So, it sounds like you have some inside info. So, could you describe in more detail what sources/info helped you come to your position. I am not so much interested in view of Petlura, discussing history is always fun, but rather what made you think that all this history justifies Russian invasion. And, again, I understand your position, I am curious what was your path to that.
when you discuss tuition, you need to consider different groups.
For people who qualify the discounts, they might offer you a competitive price. I don’t know about YU but, from what I read, even small colleges hire consultants who use statistical modeling to predict a chance for every student that he will accept their offer and what the class composition and total revenue is expected.For those who don’t qualify for discounts, the full price at some point stops making any sense. I find it ironic that I can not “afford” to send my kids to schools that were ready to take me for free. Maybe I should go to kollel until all kids graduate.
smerel > apply for separate accreditation
a fair point. Any credential requirements indeed increase monopolization (and possibly quality, of course).
> Anyone seriously considering going to YU knows the difference
this is less convincing: as if we are not really fooling you, as you can see through it. But the above argument is probably the explanation.
Still, a food for thought from one of Rebbes. When, during a public meeting, a chosuve head of a choshuve mosad invited him into a joint effort, he (somewhat) politely declined, saying that he is in full control of his own initiatives and can vouch for them and prefer it to stay that way.
Syag, I already quoted NJ, IL, TX foodstamp websites and some federal docs (maybe it got lost in mod’s spam?) – TX site is full of references to need to work. Seems like actual fed programs is currently less work-focused based on changes a couple of years ago, I do not remember details already.
Marxist > Ask any college career advisor.
You would be better off asking an employer, like me. Demand that YU refund the club money and use this money to join a club of your choice. Most colleges spend more than 50% on “overhead” (I know precise numbers for those with which I did business), this is not counting wasted classes… Most reasonable professors lament that their colleges spent so much money on buildings and other nonsense. What if a Jewish college shows rachmonus on Jewish parents and decrease extras and tuition. Will they lose customers? Probably. So, then it is “our” fault for demanding these clubs, not the university’s.
These discussions about forwardig, lack of blankets is stam silly. This is a country where anyone can order blanket delivery overnight or even within one hour. any place should be able to house 100 unexpected visitors. Shtetls did it every shabbos.
if someone can take them over mexican border, kal vehomer, someone else can take them over NY state border.
> the end result of your advice to “Lakewood” would be a tremendous loss of Torah.
I am not giving advice to “Lakewood”. I can’t even as it is a makom where one of my Rebbes live and I am too scared of him. Even more, I am not questioning, and very much in support, of all post-WW2 yeshiva activities that saved tremendous number of people from assimilation and other yeridot. I am thinking about current state of affairs. If some of my thinking has validity that would lead to the next question – how do we correct the ship without losing the good that is there.
And this is not a new question. Even way back when I was looking for a shidduch, a Lakewood shadchanit was describing to me about girls figuring out that they can become software developers by going to small local colleges, enabling them to support their husbands learning. I don’t think that was a marketing guzma because I was not looking for that.
Avram > What makes income based benefits different?
First problem – many, maybe not all, income based benefits require or at least presume that the person gets them only if/when he is not able to find work. Details seem to vary by program, presence of children, state, and year, but this is how society generally understands income-based benefits.
2nd problem – Y’D, not just Rambam, paskening not to take non-Jewish charity with wording “not to depend on people”. See precise loshon above.
I am pretty convinced that these questions deserve consideration for specific people and for communities, when it becomes public knowledge, and that answers may be complex and not the same for everyone. I would like to see some sources that explain the permissive position. So far, I found a short line from R Henneman, and a Vaad responsa that we agreed is not a serious source. At least, these mean that there is a question to answer. Please help me with the sources.
Mu inartful/exaggerated communist comparison was about people taking funds and mis-directing them to the purposes the givers did not intend. Government openly making decisions is a normal indirect democracy. We ain’t greeks.
So, there will be less clubs, more time for learning and training for parnosah, less tuition (?), so more time for father to learn. Only good comes out of it.
You can put an internship instead of a club onto your resume. I don’t know who hires based on clubs and, frankly, would not advise going to such an employer.
> YU, is at most, a b’dieved for those that would have done even less without it.
I know a family whose kids went to a moderni school and they went to YU while others were going to Ivy and looking down at them. In this case, it was definitely l’hatchila. It is a sacrifice for someone who can get into a high-end academic school to go to YU instead – both academically and financially.
I am not sure how it would be b’dieved. If someone can’t get to best schools, he can get to a comparable quality at way cheaper and easier to access places. Please explain.
> his king is a figure head without any power of life and death,
yes, it looks like he is less deserving a brocha than a governor … although it looks like he can declare a war and that involves life & death.
Also, do we say brocha on a ship captain – he hold life & death during the trip. Not sure about now, but surely did before telegraph and internet.
Esrog – $100 or under or way over?
Tell people the price or just keep the tag on?
Increase the price with inflation or keep the traditional price?
Esrog for boys – same price as for Tati as chinuch or cheaper or more expensive? Make him pay?
Esrog for girls?Maybe Republicans should be more positive when doing that. Explain to everyone that they send them to good states, warn those states when the buses are on the way (or almost there) – or are they afraid that Dems will not let them out of the bus? Make sure the driver gets out of the bus with keys. Maybe have a remote control to stop it from moving.
step 1: pls define zip codes or districts with large jewish population and what kind of population it is
step 2: find several most comparable non-jewish areas in terms of geographycould you guys be more specific with numbers? It is an interesting discussion and you are waving your hands around. You need to bring specific numbers, see what they mean, possibly adjust for family and location, etc. You will not convince each by who shouts LOUDER (or anyone else)
> Notre Dame … Southern Baptist Church …
those are not in Manhattan. Avira is right – going against the environment is difficult.
ujm > we both know that there’s more cash income not reflected in the statistics.
I thought we were discussing religious communities. According to many authorities, the above means such people are not religious and should not be counted for this discussion.
> self-sufficiency of the Amish community is a key element as the court
I did not read the case, just the editorials about it and those also think that self-sufficiency was the crucial part of that decision.
> they can still be earning more INDIVIDUALLY,
this is a very good point. I am sure there are ways to include child raising as part of the value to the society.
> The Yeshivos do not have income information of their graduated students.
I quoted some of those recently from the data they submitted to the Dept of Ed
Sorry, so hispanic is not inner. I am not a boke. Anyway, I am more concerned about Jewish school, how do we show their quality. Your kids are there.
Do you know of any fairly administered standardized exams in any of your schools? I know you can send a kid to a public school to do evaluation, but that is mostly psychology and abilities rather than knowledge. Maybe anyone here wants to do some online tests for their kids if the school did not test them?