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  • in reply to: Rabbi Moshe Tendler AH #2014670
    DaMoshe
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    I tried to start a thread discussing girls learning Gemara, with viewpoints from both sides. It wasn’t approved.

     

    I don’t see it anywhere

    in reply to: Out of Town – Chassidish community options? #2012468
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    Another big question is what type of chassidus? Someone looking for a Satmar type might not like a Chabad community. There is a huge range when it comes to Chassidus.

    in reply to: Different levels of religious observance (frumkeit) #2005708
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    Joseph, you have no idea what a baal nefesh is, or what R’ Moshe zt”l meant by it. R’ Dovid Feinstein zt”l told someone that he didn’t think he himself was a baal nefesh – so clearly it’s not something you CHOOSE to be, it’s something you have to grow into.
    Don’t try to make things fit your twisted agenda.
    For all the chumros you like to push, I think you will be found guilty of yuhara.

    in reply to: wearing a yamulka in a professional setting #2004947
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    I have a relative who is a doctor, and does not wear a yarmulka in the office, despite the fact that most of his patients are frum Jews. I once asked him why. He told me, “When I would bend over to examine them, it would always fall off! I’m bald so I can’t use clips. So I asked my Rav, and he told me there’s no problem taking it off for that reason.”
    When he’s speaking with a patient, not doing an exam, he’ll put it back on. It’s only while conducting exams that he removes it.

    in reply to: Different levels of religious observance (frumkeit) #2004945
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    Yes, higher religious observance will lead to greater rewards in Olam Haba. The question is, how do you define religious observance?
    Joseph gave some examples, but as usual, he is just serving is own views. For example, he listed eating/drinking only cholov Yisrael. How do you know that when giving your din v’cheshbon, you won’t be asked, “Why didn’t you enjoy the wonderful foods that Hashem made available to the world?” Joseph, will you really be able to say that it was due to being machmir for proper reasons, or will you have to answer, “Because I wanted to appear more frum than many posters in the YWN CR”?

    in reply to: Ahavas Yisrael for those in YU/the MO community (Ask me anything) #2003645
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    Regarding women learning Gemara – there is a great article from R’ Chaim Jachter entitled “Are Women Permitted to Study Gemara”, where he lays out the sources on both sides. He has plenty of sources that say it’s perfectly muttar for women to learn Gemara.
    So AviraDeArah, it is hardly an “uncontested” halachah.

    in reply to: Ahavas Yisrael for those in YU/the MO community (Ask me anything) #2003542
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    Gadolhadorah: It’s extremely important to have a counselor with experience in LGBTQ+ on staff. After all, if someone is gay and wants to remain frum, they have an extremely difficult road ahead. We need to do better in helping these people instead of shunning them.

    in reply to: Ahavas Yisrael for those in YU/the MO community (Ask me anything) #2003516
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    Here is my response to each line item:

    1. There are halachos which govern how genders may interact and how they can’t. Do the schools require situations of yichud? Do they require physical contact? No, they don’t. In many of the schools, classes actually are separated above a certain ago, and certainly for specific subjects they are separate.
    Once again, as I mentioned earlier, the Yeshivish world has taken on many chumros, which are not halachah.
    Regarding NCSY, I already addressed that in a prior post.

    2. MO does not demonize the Yeshivish world. We may disagree with it, but that is not the same as demonizing it. As for R’ Lamm zt”l’s quote, I agree, he used a term he likely shouldn’t have. But look at it like this: a caveman is shut off from the world. When he eventually leaves the cave, he is exposed to society, with which he is not familiar. He can be overwhelmed with it all. So too people who grow up in the yeshiva world and have things kept hidden from them, such as Internet access, interacting innocently with the opposite gender, and other things. MO teaches people how to deal with these things properly. When yeshivish people are exposed to it (and they are at some point), many of them don’t know how to deal with it, and they are overwhelmed.

    3. No MO person I know equates secular studies with Torah study. The idea of knowledge for the sake of knowledge is because since Hashem created the world, and all knowledge has a place in the world, by gaining as much as we can, it will help us to better understand and appreciate Hashem. It will also help us understand learning Torah. For example, a good understanding of trigonometry is extremely beneficial when learning Maseches Sukkah.

    4. Tznius is an area where the yeshivish world (influenced mostly by Chassidim) took on many unnecessary chumros. Learn the basic halachos before accusing others of looking for leniencies. As for techeles, if there’s an easy mitzvah to possibly fulfill, why not do it? Why try to relate techeles to tznius, when they have nothing to do with each other?

    5. I’m not even sure why you believe either one of these. How does MO incubate feminism, and why would you think MO invented meta-halacha?

    6. Can you please provide some examples of how self-determinism was made part of Judaism, and what the issue with it is?
    As for leisure – it’s a very important part. R’ Pam zt”l was known to tell people that if you don’t allow children time to play when they’re young, they will play when they’re older. Having downtime is important for your mental health at any age, and helps you to function properly when you are not relaxing.

    7. You are just incorrect on this, and I don’t know why you’d think otherwise.

    8. Again, where do you get these ideas from? Spiritual achievements secularized? Denying Hashem’s sole control over the world? Just because Hashem controls the world does not mean that people are incapable of doing harm or repairing the world. Hashem set up a derech hatevah, and our actions do affect the world around us.

    9. In this area, you are partially correct. There are some MO who do affirm these areas, although many oppose them as well.
    As for the death penalty, it is NOT prescribed in the Noahide Laws. The law is for a fair system of laws to be set up. Penalties are up to the society setting up the system. If a non-Jew violates one of the Noahide Laws at a time when there is a Sanhedrin, then yes, the Sanhedrin can impose the death penalty.

    10. This is something that is unique to each individual, so you’ll have to provide some examples. You must also differentiate between admiring specific actions and admiring the person. I will also note that this is not limited to MO, but is also done by the yeshivish world and chassidish world.
    11. Times change, and the evils given in the Torah can take different forms. Calling them out for what they are today is not an issue.

    12. Israel is a separate debate. You can be dedicated to the country without liking the government.

    13. When the derech is one you are choosing, then you’re correct, they won’t be guiding people to it. They do, however, guide their followers to a derech which is perfectly legitimate, even if you disagree.

    14. Disagree with all of these.

    15. Who are you to judge who is sincere and who isn’t?

    16. Disagree, I have never heard this said by anyone.

    17. Where did you get this idea from?

    18. The Torah is not reexamined. Sources are found that are legitimate sources from known Rishonim and Acharonim.
    19. If you are sick, you go see a doctor. If you have a halachick question, you ask a Rabbi. What is the problem there? My own Rosh Yeshiva (a well known Chareidi RY) once told me how “some people won’t blow their nose without asking their Rebbe first if it’s ok.” He was bemoaning the fact that many Rabbonim give advice in areas they’re not qualified to, and people should seek out experts in the area instead of asking their Rebbe.

    in reply to: Ahavas Yisrael for those in YU/the MO community (Ask me anything) #2003483
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    coffee addict: I don’t think the Rabbonim are scared they’ll lose their job – it’s more about a proper pace. Push something too hard all at once and it will break. You need to go slowly, one step at a time, so people don’t feel overwhelmed.

    in reply to: Ahavas Yisrael for those in YU/the MO community (Ask me anything) #2003480
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    Regarding girls learning Gemara – one thing they don’t tell you in the Beis Yaakov system is that Sarah Schenirer learned Gemara every day, she had a daily seder for it.

    in reply to: Ahavas Yisrael for those in YU/the MO community (Ask me anything) #2003215
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    I’m not going to address all the points individually, I’ll just point out a few things which relate to a number of them.

    There are many items which the chareidi/chassidic world has taken on as chumros, which are NOT halachah. The MO community did not accept these chumros, and there is nothing wrong with that.

    You need to differentiate between catering to people who grew up frum, and doing kiruv. For example, the end of point #1, about sex ed – NCSY is a kiruv organization. They are working with teens who are not frum. They are going to receive this education from somewhere. Would you rather it come from a kiruv expert or from public school?

    Zionism is subject to many disagreements. There were many major Rabbonim who were Zionists, and who supported the founding of the Jewish state of Israel. You need to differentiate between support for the state and support for the government.

    My last point for now (because I have to go somewhere and don’t have time to write more) is you also need to differentiate between MO, as portrayed by YU and those such as R’ Soloveitchik zt”l, R’ Herschel Schachter shlita, R’ Mordechai Willig shlita, and others, and those who broke off, such as Avi Weiss. Weiss’s people may still call themselves MO in an attempt to gain acceptance, but YU, the RCA, and many Rabbonim have come out against them time and time again. Don’t hold their mistakes against mainstream MO.

    in reply to: I’m considered an anti Vaccinator #2001052
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    philosopher: In Israel, the vast majority of people are vaccinated, so it makes sense that they would have cases. But look at another number: as of August 15th, only 514 people in the entire country were hospitalized with severe cases. That is an extremely low number for the entire country. That means vaccines are working.

    in reply to: Coke is better than Fanta! #1998944
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    Cherry Coke Zero is the best of all.

    in reply to: Jewish Music Quiz #1997375
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    Here are some lyrics:
    “They’ve pleaded their case – help save the sick women and men”

    “Your shame and disgrace, a wound in my heart”

    “He brought me the sign how blind I’ve been not to see the light”

    in reply to: Jewish Music Quiz #1996348
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    DY: Nice to be discussing music with you again 🙂
    I wasn’t thinking about concert albums – I should have specified studio albums.
    Neshomele was the 2nd one, and the 3rd one I had was Take the Time – it was on an album that was mainly his father, called Father & Sons/Biglal Avos, and he later performed it on his English Collection.

    in reply to: Jewish Music Quiz #1995925
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    Name 3 songs that MBD performed on his own albums only after performing them on albums where he wasn’t the main singer.

    in reply to: Jewish Music Quiz #1995820
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    whitecar, what answer were you looking for on #1? I don’t believe Memories was ever performed on a Begun album?

    in reply to: Jewish Music Quiz #1995805
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    Forgot to write, the kid was Yisroel Williger, who sang The Gedolei Hador on the album Klal Yisroel Together.

    in reply to: Jewish Music Quiz #1995797
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    Trios – I can only think of 2 offhand, but they’re actually groups of 4, not 3:
    David Werdyger a”h, MBD, Yeedle, Mendy Werdyger
    Avraham Fried, Benny Friedman, Shmuel and Bentzi Marcus

    in reply to: Jewish Music Quiz #1995712
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    I believe that V’haviosem was on both a Begun album (Toronto Pirchei) and MBD (I can’t recall offhand which album, but I believe he sang it as part of a medley).

    in reply to: Are you allowed to give Tzeddakah/charity to Non-Jews #1991893
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    I’ve supported non-Jewish charities plenty of times. I’ve donated to cancer research organizations, I’ve donated to Wounded Warrior (helps soldiers who lost limbs fighting for our country), and also to March of Dimes (helps with babies born prematurely).
    At my job, there are times when there are collections, usually when someone loses a relative. In those cases, I have to see what the charity is that they’re collecting for. Usually it’s just for a floral arrangement, and I have no problem contributing towards those. However, sometimes we get a message saying, “In lieu of flowers, the family is requesting donations be made towards <Charity X>.” I once had an Indian coworker who lost his mother. They requested that donations be made to his Hindu church. Needless to say, I did NOT contribute to that – Hinduism is actual Avodah Zarah, worse than Christianity! (Some hold Christianity is NOT A”Z, and some say it’s a safek. Christians claim to believe in the same Hashem that we do, although they don’t believe in the One-ness of Hashem. We are machmir on it and treat it as A”Z. Hinduism believes in multiple gods, and not the same God we believe in.)

    in reply to: Modern Orthodox OTD by Gender #1987858
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    ujm: You have no idea how many MO high school students go OTD. Why would you make assumptions?

    in reply to: Modern Orthodox OTD by Gender #1987545
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    ujm: R’ Pruzanky was asked about the survey. He admitted that he never read it or even saw an article – he was relying on an oral report, and never verified it.
    His article said that 50% of MO High School graduates are no longer Shomer Shabbos within 2 years. Now, let’s assume that’s true (I don’t think it is). What you need to take into account is how many were shomer Shabbos to begin with? I know of a bunch of schools who have students that are not shomer Shabbos. The school still takes them in to try and teach them about Shabbos, and to get them to be more observant. But even with that, I highly doubt that even close to 50% of grads stop keeping Shabbos. If you could find the actual survey, I’d love to read through it. I question whether it actually exists at all.

    in reply to: Gadol vs. Rebbi #1968124
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    I remember when I was in Darchei Torah, a Chassidish Rebbe came to the area. Many guys were trying to get appointments to see him. I also did (you’ll hear why soon).
    The Rosh Yeshiva got up and told everyone, “I understand the attraction of going to see a Chassidisher Rebbe. But why would you go to him when you have such amazing Rabbeim here? You need advice? You want a bracha? Ask your Rebbe here! He knows you, he knows what you need, so speak to him!”
    He approached me afterward, and told me, “I heard you have an appointment to see the Rebbe tomorrow. Are you still going to keep it?”
    I replied, “Yes, I am. Because I spoke to my Rebbe, and he told me that I should go speak to this visiting Rebbe!”
    The R”Y smiled, and said, “If he told you to go, I can’t argue – and I’m glad you asked him first!”

    in reply to: Why liberalism is against the torah #1966366
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    You can’t look at things that individual people have done, you have to look at the stance of a group as a whole. While both Liberals and Conservatives have things which are wrong, I firmly believe that Liberals have more things wrong, and more severe.

    There are 2 main issues that I look at – abortion and gay marriage. R’ Moshe Feinstein wrote straight out that abortion is murder. For those who will ask, “Then why doesn’t a person who purposely causes a miscarriage get the death penalty?”, I refer to you the Meiri. He said that killing an unborn child is such a major sin that even death can’t atone for it, so we don’t give the death penalty. Liberals have made abortion one of their main issues, and they fully support it. In Judaism, the only time abortion is allowed is when the fetus presents a danger to the health of another person (usually the mother, but can also be another fetus in cases of multiple pregnancies.)

    Gay marriage is the other issue. I remember learning that according to one opinion, the final straw in the times of Noach that led to the flood was because they began writing marriage contracts between couples of the same gender. So this is what we’ve come to – we are as bad as that generation. This is one of the 7 mitzvos b’nei Noach, and incredibly, there are Jews who claim to be Orthodox who supported allowing it!

    in reply to: CAN THERE BE ALIENS?? #1963020
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    Over Yom Tov, I was reading the R’ Moshe Feinstein Hagaddah from Artscroll. One of the stories in it said that when man landed on the moon, R’ Moshe said he knew they’d find nothing there. He said that in all his learning, he never found any reference to life on other worlds, so it must not exist!

    in reply to: Is “sir” a British thing #1961891
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    In the US Military, “Sir” is used when addressing a superior officer.

    in reply to: Tznius of the legs – Oz V’hadar Levusha #1960058
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    If you are going to use that book, be aware that much of what is presented as basic halchah is NOT halachah at all, but extreme chumros.
    A well-known and respected Rosh Yeshiva once told me that Oz V’hadar Levusha does more harm than good, as it scares people away by being way too stringent.

    in reply to: Moshiach and Shabbat #1951782
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    Reb Eliezer, “yom shekulo Shabbos” does not mean that it will be Shabbos all the time, with all the rules it includes. You think we won’t be allowed to do work at all?
    I think it means something else. Shabbos is the bridge between the Olam haRuchni and the Olam haGashmi. On Shabbos, the two worlds connect. I think Yom shekulo Shabbos refers to the fact that when Mashiach comes, the 2 worlds will always be in sync, not just one day per week.

    in reply to: The Last Decent Democrat #1951689
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    Reb Eliezer, it doesn’t matter if people will still get abortions or not.
    One of the reasons given for the Mabul is that the society in place began writing marriage contracts for same-gender couples. The fact that there were couples has always happened, and will continue to happen. What caused the flood was that society accepted it as something that had nothing wrong with it – something that has happened again in our times.
    When it comes to murder, yes, it will happen. It always has, and likely always will. But we can’t accept it, and say it’s ok. We need to make people recognize that it is wrong.

    in reply to: The Last Decent Democrat #1951325
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    Almost all Democrats today are enabling murder – they support abortion. Abortion (except in very specific cases, where the health of the mother is threatened), is 100% murder. So no matter how decent a person a Democrat may be, if they support abortion, we should oppose them.

    in reply to: Problems with the Covid vaccinations #1947610
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    I went to get my vaccine, and they gave everyone an information sheet.
    On the sheet, it said in bold letters that the vaccine is NOT FDA Approved. It was given an emergency exemption to be allowed for use, but it did not get the usual approval.
    So those who claimed it’s not approved are correct, but weren’t telling the whole story.

    in reply to: Bracha for Covid-19 vaccination #1938483
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    R’ Hershel Schachter made a brachah of Hatov v’hameitiv when he received his vaccine.

    in reply to: Techeiles and Bal Tosif #1937437
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    mobico: See what I wrote above, that R’ Hershel Schachter holds that one is obligated to use the techeiles if wearing a tallis (or tallis katan).

    in reply to: Techeiles and Bal Tosif #1935454
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    Benephraim: R’ Yerucham was before my time. I do remember both R’ Mordche Yosef and R’ Yanki well.
    I really only davened there for the Yomim Noraim. What are my recollections? The old baal Shacharis there, R’ Hoch – his voice had a haunting quality to it. I remember that during Mussaf (with Mr. Bronfeld davening), they had the minhag for someone else to sing the piyut of Heyei im pipiyos. R’ Hoch sang it, to the most beautiful tune. Years later my brother found where the tune is from – b’nei heichalah, from Modzitz (sang by BZ Shenker).
    The Baal Tokeya, Mr. Vershlizer (not Jack, he was retired when I davened there, it was his son) – he was also a chazzan. I can still hear his Min Hameitzar so clearly in my mind.
    What else….
    There was a family who used to bring in a huge rug for bowing down, so that people wouldn’t have to use paper towels or newspaper.
    I’m sure other memories will come to me over time.

    in reply to: Techeiles and Bal Tosif #1935175
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    Benephraim: Yes, I remember the Radziner shtiebel very well. My father davened there when he was younger, and still returned to daven there for the Yomim Noraim each year. I was there with him until I got old enough that I davened in my yeshiva.

    in reply to: Techeiles and Bal Tosif #1935168
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    R’ Hershel Schachter actually holds that you are obligated to wear the techeiles. You can read his reasoning in the sefer R’ Schachter on the Parsha, Parshas Shelach.
    He says it’s not yuhara, because that only applies to something that is a midas chassidus. He holds this would be considered a safek d’Oraysa, and we should be machmir to wear it.
    He further quotes the Beis haLevi who says that bal tigrah is in a case where you knowingly perform a mitzvah l’chatchilah in a way that it is only fulfilled b’dieved. If it’s not such a case, it’s not bal tigrah, it’s a bitul mitzvah.
    Since we hold that wearing tzitzis without techeiles is a b’dieved, and we have a safek d’Oraysa with what may be the proper dye, not using it could cause you to knowingly fulfill the mitzvah b’dieved.
    He closes the piece by saying that since we wear a tallis as a midas chassidus (as the only obligation is if you are wearing a garment with 4 corners), then if you don’t use the techeiles (and it’s readily available), you’d be better off not wearing the tallis at all!

    in reply to: The fat lady has sung #1929498
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    Participant: I like Haley for a few reasons. Most notably, I thought she did an excellent job as UN Ambassador. She is probably the only Trump appointee who is well-liked even by many Democrats. I think she has the best chance of winning.

    in reply to: Biden is Senile #1929499
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    One of my posts, where I quoted the Igros Moshe, didn’t go through. Mods, was it because I mistakenly put the wrong reference (OC instead of CM)?
    Here is the correct source:
    See Igros Moshe, CM 2:69, where he says straight out that abortion is murder:
    לברר שהריגת עובר אסורה באסור רציחה בין בעכו“ם
    בין בישראל… ולכן לדינא… איכא איסור רציחה מלא
    תרצח גם על עובר ורק שפטור ההורגו ממיתה.

    in reply to: Biden is Senile #1929225
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    Sorry, I wrote OC, which was a mistake – I meant Choshen Mishpat.

    in reply to: Biden is Senile #1929178
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    Reb Eliezer, look in the Igros Moshe where he says it’s murder. The Meiri says the reason Beis Din can’t give the death penalty for abortion is because even death can’t atone for such a sin. We don’t give the death penalty unless it is a kapparah for the sin.

    in reply to: The fat lady has sung #1929154
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    I’m not too upset about the election outcome. Yes, Trump lost, but the Republicans gained seats in Congress. I believe Biden/Harris will be absolutely horrible. Historically, in the midterms, the opposition party (opposition to the Presidency) gains seats in Congress. I’m looking forward to a larger Red Wave than occurred in 2010. Then, I hope Nikki Haley decides to run in 2024.

    in reply to: Biden is Senile #1929145
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    I don’t know if Biden is senile or not. All I know is that having Democrats in charge is bad for the country. They stand for killing unborn babies (which R’ Moshe Feinstein said is murder), pushing the LGBTQ agenda, ruining local economies by adding more and more welfare… how can any Jew support a Democrat?

    in reply to: Time to remember the soldiers #1855072
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    Joseph: the story about RSZA is also in the Kuntrus V’alehu Lo Yibol. I’m not sure who wrote the sefer, but I saw it was quoted by The Jewish Observer on occasion, so I assume it’s trustworthy.

    in reply to: Moshiach is coming this year! #1854232
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    Defend Chabad: I hope you’re correct, and Mashiach does come this year. I’m just curious, though – if he doesn’t come, what affect will that have on you? Unfortunately, there are times when someone has a deep-seated belief, and when it’s proven wrong, they can throw other beliefs away, or sink into a depression,

    in reply to: Inspiring safe & legal Porch minyanim all over Lakewood #1852966
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    health: how do I rely on my local posek for life and death questions? I’ve only once had to ask such a question. I asked my Rav at the time, and he asked to speak to the doctor to get some details. We gave the doctor permission to speak to him, and he got the required information. He was able to give us a psak.

    I did once have a very complex shailah, although it wasn’t dinei nefashos. I asked my Rav, who told me he couldn’t answer it. He suggested I ask Rabbi Willig. I called Rabbi Willig, who told me, “I’m not touching that shailah with a ten-foot pole! The only Rav in America who should pasken that is R’ Dovid Feinstein. Ask him!”
    I spent weeks trying to reach him, until my Rav actually met him at a funeral. He was able to ask the shailah, and get an answer for me.

    A good Rav should know when he could and when he can not answer a question. If he can’t answer, he should be able to refer you to someone else who can answer it.

    in reply to: Top 10 Jewish songs since 1980. #1845747
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    There aren’t many songs that really withstand the test of time, and are still frequently sang years after their release. Even popular songs mentioned above (such as Racheim) aren’t used much anymore. Here are some that I believe have withstood the test:

    Acheinu (actually from Lev v’Nefesh, not from Dveykus, although still Abie Rottenberg)
    Hamalach Hagoel (Dveykus 4)
    Shalom Aleichem (Regesh 3)
    V’zakeini (Baruch Levine)
    Machnisei Rachamim (I believe originally from Shlomo Simcha?)
    Just One Shabbos (MBD)
    Mama Rochel (Journeys)
    Memories (Journeys)

    in reply to: Backyard minyanim #1843092
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    The only way to have a minyan currently is if a family has a minyan on their own. If they all live together anyway, they can daven together.

    in reply to: Sell Chometz, virtually? #1841368
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    You’re not selling the chametz when you exchange the pen, gartel, or anything else. You are appointing the Rav to be your Shaliach to sell the chametz on your behalf.

    in reply to: World Zionist Congress elections #1837914
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    Joseph: It’s been reported on multiple sites, so I’m not sure which one you’re referring to.

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