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Haven’t heard this from anywhere, but maybe we are thanking Hashem for making us into men despite women being on a higher spiritual level. A bit like making a brocha Dayan Hoemes. (doesn’t work for the other sheloi osanis though!)
Sheasani K’Ritzono, and Abarbanel.
Why are most parents against texting.
Please prove that most parents who are happy with their children having cellphones are against texting.
Fallacy of the single cause?
How can you transfer property effective a moment prior to death? You can’t determine or know when death will occur and thus can’t time the transfer to take place prior to death. And once death occurred, it is no longer the deceased’s to transfer. At that point the property belongs to the inheritors.
See BB 147, Gittin 72a. There is no reason why a Chalos can not be set up to be Chal as of a second before death. When death occurs, it was known that as of a second before, the Chalos happened (get was Chal, Nechosim transfered, etc.)
yay! everyone kill chareidim again. (pronounced sarcasm)
If you would say “yay! everyone kill Arabs again! (pronounced sarcasm)” after a terrorist attack, (where someone “only” got wounded), what would the response be?
IMHO, your attitude is still due to misunderstanding the Charaidi mindset in EY (Just like complaining about the Charaidim having there own state to do what they want without interference).
If a couple decides to forgo gashmius for the sake of learning, fine. The problem is that ALL bochurim are expected to go into kollel, regardless of their devotion to the cause, and the girl’s father has not choice but to pick up the tab (if he wants his daughter to get a shiduch). That’s just plain wrong.
That is the way of life among Charaidim in Eretz Yisroel.
they are rioting…they are throwing rocks and tomatoes… these people are not “frum” people…they wear the costume but dont act the act…..
WADR, I hope you say the same thing about “Muslims” who terrorize.
First, the disclaimer:
Next, the opinion:
Gold has more than quintupled in price over the last ten years, more than doubled over the last two years, and that kind of advancement is, IMO, unsustainable. At some point, people will start putting their money back into securities and other areas that are deemed too risky nowadays, and gold prices will drop dramatically.
I agree with ICOT, with one Caveat (and the same disclaimer).
The only reason why gold has increased is due to perceived risk. Chances are, the risk will go down, and gold may follow. However, as perceived risk goes up, gold may go up as well.
Disagree. Those who want to learn will stay in learning.
so where do i go…what do i do…and stuff
If all you want to do is invest, use an ETF, like GLD.
Interestingly enough, there are Rishonim who hold that Eid Echad Ne’eman B’issurim does not apply to women. No one anywhere (I think) holds that way though.
And many Achronim (such as the Keztos in Shmaytza) hold Eid Echad Ne’eman B’issurim is not Eidus.
Toi:
Rav Elyashiv would be the most likely to agree to the solution. I think you misunderstand (or never understood) the Charadi viewpoint on the state, Halacha, and Jews living there. (If I had to guess (which I am not), you are a Harry or BT?)
Simple: Because the men are willing to go into the woman’s section, and the women are not willing to enter the men’s section. Why this is so is debatable.
I like the five state solution:
State 1: The coast (Tel Aviv, Haifa, excluding Benei Brak). Teveria to Beit Sha’an.
State 2: The Charaidi state: Benei Brak, Yerushalaim up to route 60, Ramat Bait Shemesh Corridor.
State 3: Negev: Dimona, Eliat, Be’er Sheva, dead sea up to Ein Gedi, and the Desert up to Ma’ale Adumim.
State 4: Gaza
State 5: East Jerusalem (east of Route 1), Bethehem, Ramalla Corridor, up to Nazereth.
The old city gets internationalized, with Har HaBais under Swiss protection (the “Clancy” plan) and Saudi political control.
It gives everyone what they want. The Arabs get a “real state” with a real border. The Israelis get peace, rid of the Charaidim, and beaches. The settlers get the Negev. The Charadim get to apply strict Halacha wherever they go, and no one to tell them that they can’t do so.
Of course, there are some minor issues, but nothing that can’t be worked out between the various parties.
🙂
A business relationship has to be just that. Nothing personal.
You can be polite, cordial but not friendly.
Depends on what “but” means, but basically correct. Not “personal”.
Definition of FRIENDLY (webster)
1: of, relating to, or befitting a friend: as a : showing kindly interest and goodwill b : not hostile ; also : involving or coming from actions of one’s own forces <friendly fire> c : cheerful, comforting <the friendly glow of the fire>
2: serving a beneficial or helpful purpose
I see no issue in “showing kindly interest and goodwill” with co-workers whom with you work. One should certainly be “cheerful”, and perhaps even “comforting” at appropriate times.
Or, perhaps, the OP wishes these women would minimally cover their knees and elbows at all times. Something itself not a given even among the frum.
What the OP wants is irrelevant. Once the priciple is decided, the strongest (or those willing to fight) will make their own rules (just like what is happening in RBS now).
Which court in Ramat Beith Shemesh would you like to enforce hilchos tznius? Whose standard will they enforce?
aye, there’s the rub
RBS is already a war zone, and I feel for anyone living there. You will just make it worse.
Medicaid
Wic
Food Stamps
Section 8
I’ve heard it used by Rabbaim as a means of staying in Kollel, but never from a MO. 😉
Can something like a platonic relationship exist?
Yes and no. As everyone has pointed out, a “BFF” friendship is not possible, as it will cause feelings to develop.
However, there are multiple levels of relationship. I have a “working” relationship with many of my coworkers, both male & female. Such a relationship does not develop “feelings” (B’derech K’lal), as the guiding rule is to keep it business-like.
I think you can use the same idea here as well. If there are ground rules, and you (both) agree not to attempt to develop the relationship into something else, then you can move forward. Otherwise, watch out.
Hatzlacha either way. You are in a tough situation.
You are imposing on them, by insisting on accommodating, but doing it begrudgingly.
Good point. Better to say no and have a good relationship then to sour it by doing more than you think you should.
BS”D
what i mean is that their constant avodah centers around their tznius and is also a good measuring stick as to where theyre holding.
There are six Mitzvos Tediros. Which one is Tznius?
Also, why is Tznius a “measuring stick”? Does wearing a Burka make you more frum? A longer skirt?
(once again Socratic)
I’ll get to my point. Tznius is what it is because of what people made it, not because of what the Ribbono Shel Olam made it. And yes, it may even be a mitzva (an arguable point. Probably Lifnei Iver at best on a dioraysah level). However, it is not individually one of the 613, (unless you can find me someone who includes it in Minyan HaMitzvos?) and what some people make it out to be (equal to Torah! Afar L’Pumi) is for all practical purposes Reform Judaism.
charlie: I agree that giving the Yid Parnassah is well worth the inconvenience.
However, I will suggest (which was the point) that people should not look to specifically work in only frum places. If you do (and even if you don’t), don’t take advantage. It may backfire, both on you and others that will not follow.
From the Working with guys http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/working-with-guys
as well as other threads, you can see why someone would specificly NOT look to hire frum individuals.
I know a frum business woman who tried not to hire frum women. From her experience, they were just not reliable (whether taking off for a siddur play or a week before pesach to clean is justified or not, those were the facts).
A relative of mine left after 1 day at a job where the men started calling her by her first name.
Boruch Hashem!
There are many.
i refer to it in terms of their tafkid and their main thing to be focusing on.
Also Shekker. If the Tafkid of a woman is to be Tzanuah, what happened to the real 613 Mitzvos? (This is Socratic, please respond).
GAW- the corresponding mitzva in terms of its all-encompassment for girls is tznius. thats her avodah, the way men have to learn as much as they can.
1: It isn’t, we disproved that Shekker a while back. All it does is a “Tavlin” for woman’s Yetzer HaRa (Coincidence on the thread?)
2: Even if it was, it doesn’t make it Torah, which is Chelek Elokai and the blueprint of the B’riyah (among many other things).
I once again protest.
Raphael Kaufman: Ask a shadchan & inform their boss. But we are not dealing here with two singles.
All jobs have this problem?
Expect that if you are in a “frum” workplace with many males, you will have some sort of issue. In a non Jewish workplace, you will be better off, as there are harrassment laws that people actually care about, as well as a more professional atmosphere/worker.
A woman’s torah is her tznius.
Sheker, and I am Moche for Kavod Shmayim & Torah, and ask that the mods delete this.
Torah is Torah, and nothing else.
Kudos for sticking to your convictions.
Unfortunately, expect your next job to have similar issues as well.
Ain Od Milvado
That was my idea too.
I’ll add:
Hinei Yom HaDin
dear health, writing what you wrote is not good for ones health ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???’
The word you are looking for is “Straw Man”.
Suggestion: Make him the child that everyone wants to play with. Do the research, get him the “Cool” toys, or the real football, and they will agree to let him play. Also practice with your child so that he becomes a good player, and others will want to play with him.
Hatzlacha.
Ron Paul is the second worst candidate after Obama, although he is not “against” Israel he is an isolationist who thinks the U.S. should stay out of it. (That means cutting all military aid to Israel).
Not the aid and not the conditions! Also he will cut aid to the Palestinians, and will not try to convince Israel into a peace treaty (unlike GW Bush).
Perhaps Israel could use an isolationist US.
gaw: perhaps for those interested in laitzonus
PBA’s Nimshal:
The moral of the story is to not assume anything.
Always investigate, always ask. Yiddishkeit is not a religion of “don’t ask that, that is Apikorsus”. Scientia potentia est(Knowledge is power), and without it, you will get it wrong. The Choftez Chaim in the beginning of the third chelek of Mishna Berura says that someone who doesn’t learn Hilchos Shabbos will be Mechallel it, just as one who doesn’t know what the Mona Lisa looks like will buy something that claims to be it based on “trust” and “hearsay”.
Your Nimshal:
Larry a searching non frum Jew, Dealer offering a “fragmented” view of Judaism when the real deal is on display before thousands daily but not in Larry’s neighborhood. The money Larry offers a nimshal for the investment of soul one puts in ones religious lifechoices.
I still don’t get what trust, money & a frame on a sturdy display have anything to do with your supposed point. Also, the dealer is an obvious Con. Are you saying the Kiruv Rabbis are Cons?
But if that is what you feel the Nimshal is, Kol HaKavod.
PBA’s point makes much more sense, and fits the story better.
Ron Paul. He is the only one who will stop supporting the Palestinians.
Ron Paul. He is the only one who will stop supporting the Palestinians.
basically youre allowed to do ordinary things in oreder to live a normal life, and if as a result you actually see something your not accountable
The Gemorah in Bava Basra regarding “Leka Darka Achrina”.
Would the Chazon Ish (etc.) have held joining the American Army is Yehareg V’Al Yaavor?
How about women joining the American army?
(the soon to be?) Minnie M.
I did not see the clip, but why hasn’t someone arrested the father, if it was caught on video?
Bake Yodels. I have heard it is all the rage in Lakewood.
Hatzlacha.
the painting for the Torah.
I think PBA’s Nimshal fits better.
doveryai, no proveryai
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Trust, but verify
Ronald Wilson Reagan
forbidden images of women?
There is no such thing, unless you are talking about statues of Isis, Kali or Athena.
When moshiach comes, or when we all meet up there after 120, we will all know who is who on here!!! watch out!!! YOu will not be anonymous anymore!!!
WADR, this is practically Kefira (I know you didn’t mean it that way).
Hashem is watching (that is what I thought the thread was about). Who cares about others. In the Olam HaEmes, there is no Sheker in either case, so we all only care about what the Ribbono Shel Olam cares about.
I’ll just say you are disagreeing with Rav Moshe Wolfson, who says learning is a much easier lifestyle
I don’t see how one can argue. One has a much better Olam HaZeh in Bais Medrash then in the workplace. Learning is the most Geshmak thing that one can do. Imagine being able to do it as your job! It is like having a job to enjoy life 24/7.
BS”D:
I disagree with the premise of this thread.
In general, there are two groups, which also can be split into another two groups. They are:
1: Learning & working.
2: Serious about Yiddishkeit and not so serious.
A: 11 (learning & serious) will be the one who learns 12+ hours, and is Mistapek B’Muat
B: 12 (learning & not so serious) is the guy who hangs out in the back & shmoozes.
C: 21 (working & serious) is the guy who learns during his free time, and supports learning, but feels the need to pay tuition, etc., and has decided that this is his derech of Avoda.
D: 22 (working & not serious) is the guy who wants the Lexus.
(B & D would both be discribed by some as “orthoprax”)
As per the OP’s point, the “C” individual is already supporting Torah, both his own, his children (which is his primary chiyuv), his children’s school (by paying tuition, possibly full), and others (such as his local Kollel).
Feif Un said it well:
Derech HaMelech: No, I don’t recognize that it’s my job to support them. If it was limited to the best, the future leaders, then yes, it would be – but not the way it is now. I support some people who I believe have a future as a leader – people who are roshei kollel, who have semichah and are looking for positions, etc. but not people just sitting and learning without a plan for the future.
I would elaborate (B’Mechilas Kevodo). Every Yid is Mechuyav in the continuation of the Klal (i.e. to create Gedolim). In the Shtetel, that was the Rov, who was needed to Pasken Shaylos.
After that, the question becomes a matter of priorities in Tzedaka. We have a Shulchan Aruch (YD 251) that tells us where to prioritize.
The problem begins when others claim that the Shulchan Aruch doesn’t apply, and that one is Mechuyav to support specific individuals in Kollel (which admittedly, I have only seen that claim in the CR, and never in practice). If they are the priority according to the SA, then great. If not, then claiming so just makes others angry, and rightfully so! They are attempting to make them be Over Halacha!
The OP doesn’t mention anyone being anti-learning, just anti support (and before you start with those who don’t get, Tzedaka in the form of tuition breaks is support). I have not seen the OP post anywhere in SA to back up his/her claim that such support should be a priority over other Tzedoka, personal needs, and/or tuition.
The premise of this thread is faulty.
Why are you taking that course? If the comments are incidental, ignore (put your head down to show protest, maybe?). If that is the subject matter of the class, perhaps you should be taking a different class.
Think about what a girl needs to do to be a better girl, and what a boy needs to do. The answer is obvious.
Girls just don’t have the Yetzer or the Mitzvos that Boys have.