LerntminTayrah

the gemara refers to roasting as tikun, and maachel bar drusai as food eaten by thieves who didn’t have time to prepare their food. That said ,we do find the idea of “oomtza”, raw meat chewed on by people. And there is a concept call mitztameik vera lo, that food is overcooked.

I wouldn’t call it hate as all Jews are loved, even the mistaken Jews. But part of veahavta is helping Jews go on the correct derech. Chabad believes in this, and so does the litvish, who view violations of the 13 ikkarim as serious. It’s no different than the “snag bashing” on Lubavitch sites which is just pointing out how the snags are wrong for rejecting your moshiach like we do with Yeshu hanotzri.

The original song had the extra lyric. Later on it didn’t. Rebbetzin, not sure what your big issue is with quoting this maskil as you are pro-Lubavitch and the previous Rebbe’s library included Communist books.

The maskil was meisiach lefi tumo. The point is that it’s enough to show that the question has no basis.

A blogger who calls himself Fred McDowell shared that original recently.
Here is what he says 9 years ago:
The Yiddish linguist Chone Shmeruk discovered a 15th century manuscript of the song in Aramaic and German-Yiddish. As a point of interest, Shmeruk believed he was able to demonstrate that the Yiddish was the original, and the Aramaic the translation. I haven’t seen his paper, nor do I possess the skills necessary to form an opinion. Below is a highly interesting variant stanza as it appears in Shmeruk’s 15th century manuscript:

ואתא עכברא דאכל לגדיא דזבין אבא בתרי זוזי חד גדיא חד גדיא
דא קאם מייזליין און עשיט דז זיקליין דש קאפיט דז אלט וועטירליין אום צוייא פפעניגליין איין ציקליין איין ציקליין
And along came the mouse that ate the goat that Father bought for two pennies, One Little Kid, One Little Kid

The future of produce is vertical farming, with everything hydroponically grown and bug-free.

Again, the facts on the ground show what was meant or how it’s interpreted. As per the gedoilim, anyone who says yechi is clearly an apikoires which indicates that the atzmus sicha is understood peshuto kemashmao that you can daven to the Rebbe like it says kind of explicitly there. But I admire your leiv tov.

Kids do better in places they want to attend.

Secular studies don’t exist in eretz yisroel in the yeshivas, and they strongly resist it. Why?

YRS, the atzmus sicha is posted above, and we have the Rambam zt”l, Rav Shach zt”l and the rest to help us understand that peshuto kemashmao. There’s no “chassidus” exception in the ikkarim. You can check them yourself.
But what kind of yeshivish rockstar isn’t familiar with the litvish gedoilim?

Health, I am not Joseph. The mods can back me up on this. I went to college, and want my kids to get a good secular education as well. I’m just being intellectually honest though. There is a reason why the litvish chadorim in Eretz Yisroel don’t have secular studies. Again, just read Marc Shapiro’s book, don’t rely on me.
You can also find similar quotes throughout the new thick biography of Reb Baruch Ber zt”l.

Rebbe of course. Torah>tourism

I hate to defend Joseph but he’s probably correct on these quotes. We have accepted secular studies so we don’t think about them but it’s not so pashut.
According to Marc Shapiro’s book on the Seridei Eish, even in Europe there was a stratification between the educated and the uneducated. the shuls were stratified based on skill level , which is why you find things like the tailors’ shul or the wagon drivers’ shul. But even in Europe they insisted on no secular studies, even though it meant poverty.

I want my kids to have a good secular education. On the other hand, many gedoilim were against any secular studies whatsoever. The malach, Rav Levine zt”l, left Lubavitch after catching the Riyatz with a secular book. His followers in Torah Vodaas refused to go to secular studies and were expelled in 1935. There’s a reason they don’t have them in the chadorim and yeshivos ketanos in Eretz Yisroel.

I hear both tzedadim.

Neville: “those who believe the Rebbe dies and is still moshiach are making a mistake but aren’t apikorsim, unlike the ones who say he’s alive.”

Source for this distinction? Why would it be worse to believe he’s alive and hiding somewhere?
Crazy? Yes. But, I don’t see why it’s halachically worse.

Nevile, The source for that is both Rav Menashe Klein zt”l and yblc”t Rav Aharon Feldman shlita. As mentioned, many do take the atzmus thing literally, where the Rebbe is c”v “G-d in human form”. Many don’t Baruch Hashem, though how they deal with the Rebbe saying “it’s not a problem asking to Rebbe instead of Hashem because he’s the essence of G-d in a human body” is beyond me.

Almost all Lubavitchers believe the Rebbe is moshiach. If you believe he died, then you believe he’s moshiach but an ordinary human being. If you call him alive, you are ascribing to him deity-like powers to evade death beyond mere mortals. Both of those sources can be found by googling.

Arranged marriages work when the person you are looking for isn’t supposed to be your soulmate, just play the role of momme to your tatte.

There’s a famous maaseh about the Satmar Rebbe speaking with Rav Bick. The Satmar Rebbe was upset tha tcouples were meeting 8 times before getting engaged instead of 2. Rav Bick told him, “you say 2 because you’re a mesader kiddushin. I say 8 because I’m a mesader gittin”

yehoshuaahron: “Rav Solovechik … learned the first Sichos and mamor of The Rebbe when he took on the Nesius where the Rebbe Zt’l says explicitly The Fridiker Rebbe will take us out of galus (after his histalkus) and speaks of the Zohar quoted about Atzmus.”

So wait a second. If the Rebbe said his father-in-law is moshiach, how can the whole of Lubavitch contradict him and say the Rebbe himself is moshiach?!

If Hashem didn’t want him to be president, Hashem would put an end to Trump. Harbei shluchim lamakom.

I wonder what is must have been like for Chabadskers in their 40’s and 50’s, who got used to the idea of “Every generation has a living moshiach” to suddenly have to drop everything and switch to “dead people can be moshiach” or “Dead people are still living”. Like serious ouch time.

I do question how successful Chabad is being “mekareiv” other frum Jews. Back when the Rebbe was living they got many normal frum Jews to say “maybe the Rebbe is moshiach”. Now it only appeals to die-hards. The best they can do is sell the Rebbe as a tzaddik whose kever is worth going to.

Hashem obviously wanted him to be president, so what does the OP mean by “shouldn’t”?
Hashem also wanted Obama to be president before Trump.

The Lubavitcher Rebbe spent ten years in Berlin and Sarbonne attending various universities. Didn’t end up wqith much to show for it, according to recent research by Menachem Friedman. He was in Berlin at the same time as Rav Hutner zt”l and Rav YB Solovotechik zt”l. In the book “Thinking aloud”. someone asked Rav YB Soloveitchik zt”l if it’s true the Rebbe learned tehillim all day. He replied, “First ask me if he wore a yarmulke”. The Rebbe didn’t while in university, as per the custom of the Orthodox Jews in college. This doesn’t make him a bad person, but not the background of a future messiah.
The Mechaber zt”l, who got a mention in this thread, stood behind the messianic candidacy of Shlomo Molcho. But he didn’t think his own rabbeim were moshiach. Lubavitchers think the Rebbe was moshiach because the Rebbe said so in his “basi legani” maamar, and then everything had to be distorted to fit it in.
Lubavitch needs a Shaul of Tarshish type to keep klal yisroel away, though they are doing a good job themselves with this yechi nonsense and saying Der Rebbe Vet helfn. Klal yisroel knows a Christianity clone when they see one.

His generation ended 25 years ago. Single girls from when he died are now bubbies. You are now having the second generation of Lubavitchers who only know the Rebbe as an oyhel, not as a real person.
At some point they need to accept that they got played and move on with the next Rebbe.

This is an old machlokes. The Rema paskens you don’t ask the dead person to do anything for you, and the gemera in Sota (34?) about Kaleiv asking the avos to pray for him is agaddateda.
The Pri Megadim defends it and says it’s not a violation of the 5th ikkar because they are asking him to intercede with Hashem. The dead person isn’t all-powerful and isn’t Hashem in a human body.

The rebbe’s atzmus sicha said you can directly daven to a rebbe because he’s Hashem in a human body. That is NOT what the pri megadim said. That is the person in the kever as a god.
Major difference.
Though litvaks hold like the Rema and do neither. We see how innocent practices become avoda zara r”l

Occam’s Razor says go by the simplest explanation.

For those who insist modern Lubavitch ISN’T Avoda zara:
If chas veshalom it WAS, what would it be doing differently from today?

We already established that people daven to the Rebbe, based on the atzmus sicha.
While many don’t, the Rebbe said it’s ok so it’s just a question of personal preference.
We already established that people say “Der Rebbe vet helfn” instead of “Der Eibishter vet helfn”. So whether or not they daven. they still speak of the Rebbe as all-powerful.
They post pictures of the Rebbe everywhere.
They say he’s alive.
They say he couldn’t make a mistake.
They say everything he touched has “Elokus”

We have a slew of justifications and twisted and distorted gemaras to defend every one of these distortions of the mesorah, but none of these were part of klal yisroel until the Rebbe died.

Rav Shach zt”l couldn’t be fooled, though I was. I thought his use of avoda zara was extreme. I depserately wanted him to be wrong.
Daas chachomim hepech midaas baalabattim. He was right, I was wrong. I wish it wasn’t so.

You can call him the Avi Ezri, which would be like The Shach. Otherwise it’s like saying The Shneerson.

Unfortunately, Rav Shach zt”l was proven correct. Many thought he was wrong , but the last 25 years have proven him correct, as discussed elsewhere.

Daniel was punished for Nuvuchadnetzar davening to him, as per the midrash.