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Why is this a question on LA and not NYC?
To go off on a tangent, I understand why frum organizations and families are hesitant to move away from big population areas, but imagine what it can do for klal Yisroel! In Wyoming, farinstens, there are tons of state funded programs for everything under the sun, from private schools to extra tax breaks for multiple children. Property is ridiculously cheap, a large family home costs less than a one-bedroom apartment in Flatbush. And with remote jobs plus the low cost of living, it means that a young couple can actually (gasp!) save some money without reliance on their parents. The Kollel of Cheyenne should be a resounding success,but for some reason no Rosh Yeshiva wants to make the sacrifice.
Can we debate schnapps vs. beer instead?
It’s der tzelba zach. Nicotine is bad for you. Period.
Wait wait, @Freddyfish, was this Yid a Levi who wore a tallis before he got married? If he is who I think he is, I highly doubt he knows or cares.
Get back to finding your kelp seeds or investigating the haunted schoolhouse? I dunno.
@doomsday: You clearly have not read the links, or at least not understood them. Because if you have you wouldn’t keep making the same mistake over and over again confusing methylethyl mercury (Thimerisol) with ethylmercury (dangerous stuff that’s in old thermometers).
@doomsday is still yet to read this one webpage that addresses every single comment she made. “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” on vaxopedia.org.
The only people on here who celebrate Nittel Nacht are the Chabadskers who aren’t goires the Gregorian Calendar, so you’re 2.5 weeks early.
We are on Stage 3 of the @doomsday thought process right now, about to circle back. Observe as Rebbitzin Day proceeds to ignore everything she said previously (as it was debunked) and start off on a new topic for a few days to hope that everyone forgot how wrong she was.
@doomsday You have yet to respond to my MULTIPLE comments on your “100+ studies” thing. Namely, please address the article “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” on vaxopedia.org which shows how not one of those “100+ studies” show a link between vaccines and autism.@RebYidd23 Do things Ukrainian style: every decision is made by a no-holds barred cage match. Last man standing has his decision made law.
Actually, in the really old days people who worked with cows would contact a benign version of cowpox which was uncomfortable, but manageable. Unbeknownst to people, cowpox was similar enough to smallpox that they would be immune to it. So cow farmers and dairy maids had a much greater survival rate than most others during epidemics.
Folks, stop arguing with @doomsday about each study individually. The website vaxopedia.org has an article called “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” goes through each study in @doomsday’s list individually and shows how the study does not conclude that there’s a link between vaccines and autism. Mrs. Day knows this which is why she continues to argue without addressing the article.
@doomsday We’ve been through this already and the article I keep posting debunks every conclusion you draw from these studies. Did you read it, yes or no? If yes, please explain why you don’t like it. If no, then we are all wasting our time since that one website addresses every single thing you’ve said about these alleged “157 studies”.
@doomsday Yes or no? Did you or did you not read the article whose title I posted multiple times that debunks your “100+ studies” narischkeit?
Do you see what I did there in my last post? That’s you. That’s what you sound like. You call everyone liars (or LIARS!!!!!!) for saying that there’s no research papers showing a link between vaccines and autism, but the research papers you claim shows a link do nothing of the sort.
So too I call everyone a LIAR for disbelieving the green-cheese moon theory because of a random sampling of papers that have nothing to do with lunar cosmology.
There are 100+ studies that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the moon is made of green cheese. You claim that there are not such studies, but that’s a LIE brought to you by your friends paid from Big Farma and NASA. Here, I’ll show some of them to you:
- Gene–Brain Structure Relationships: Arbitrary Assumptions of Heterogeneity Generate Unfalsifiable Claims (JAMA 2007)
- Topology of three-jet events in pp collisions at √s=1.8 TeV (Physical Review 1992)
- A consistent co-rotational formulation for non-linear, three-dimensional, beam-elements (CMAME 2001)
So you see? All those who claim that there are no research papers showing that the moon is a solid chunk of moldy lactose are liars!
Folks, what did I tell you? Exactly as predicted! Ms. Day has once again IGNORED the webpage I posted time and again refuted that old lie about “100s of studies”. Allow me to be clear
There are no studies that conclude that there is a link between vaccines and autism
Just because you REFUSE to read the article I’ve posted dozens of times, does not mean you can keep reposting the same lies!
All @doomsday has to do is look on Google for an article called
About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link
To see that her allegation that there exist papers that support the idea that autism comes from vaccination is FALSE and an invention by a blogger.
But she won’t. Don’t know why, but I’ve repeatedly responded with this article whenever she brings up this lie and she has yet to actually look at the webpage.
Then there’s the thimerisol thing. A lot of the alleged studies and research talk about the effects of ethylmercury on developing children. Anti-vaxxers claim that’s proof that thimerisol is bad. Except that thimerisol isn’t ethylmercury. It’s a different compound called methylethylmercury.
I’ve mentioned this to the anti-vaxxers on this topic and none have responded yet. Most do the same thing of ignoring it, then coming back after a few days with the same claims as if I conveniently forgot that they were debunked.
Folks, @doomsday keeps claiming that there are “157 studies” linking autism to vaccination. She “knows” this because she found comment on another forum that claims it is so and links to a public text repository that lists those alleged 157 studies.
Problem is, that isn’t true. Sure someone claims that those studies show a link, but as we’ve demonstrated in numerous comments that not a single one of those studies shows a valid conclusion linking the two. In fact, I even found several websites that address the claim and go through each and every study showing how the conclusion is simply wrong.
@doomsday first said she “doesn’t have time” to read the website (but plenty of time to keep quoting old lies!) and the proceeded to do what she does best. Ignored the debunking for a few days, then posted the claim of “157 studies” again when she thought everyone forgot.A reminder: @doomsday claimed over and over again that there were 150 studies showing that vaccines cause autism. Several times it was pointed out to her that it’s not true, and I even showed a webpage that goes through them individually showing how the studies do not show a link. @doomsday was silent for a few days, then came back claiming the same thing pretending like it was never shtuched out to begin with.
Same thing with @2cents. @doomsday every few days mentions that there was never a retroactive study on un-vaccinated vs vaccinated people. @2cents would point out several examples. After a few threads bickering over the details (@doomsday has an insanely narrow definition of the exact study she will accept as evidence) again she was silent. Then two days later calls @2cents a liar and pretends she never heard of the study.
7) Completely unwilling or unable to be logical.
That’s because there is no clear answer. The original guidelines were very vague and only gave a number of hours per week of some vaguely defined instruction. The people working on the issue are first and foremost trying to get a straight answer from the State of NY as to what exactly will be required. The six hours per day is a worst-case-scenario interpretation of the laws. But even a meikal interpretation will still be far more secular instruction than Yeshivas can handle or even need.
Statement to the Chabadskers (both meshichist and not).
Whatever you want to say about HaGaon Harav Shach ZT”L, it is indisputable that he was the gaon HaTorah for Chareidim in his later years. Even Chassidim, who he disagreed with on a lot of stuff, held of him as a Gaon. Every living Rebbe showed up to his levaya. It’s only Lubavitch that attempts to undermine him and pretend he was just another misnaged because he was exceptionally critical of Chabad and Rav Schneerson ZT”L due to the meshichists. His greatness was part of the reason why Chabad continues to single him out. Many (actually most) Rabbonim held of and said the same things he did. You probably won’t find a Rav, Rosh Yeshiva, or Rebbe who disagrees with Rav Shach’s shittos on Chabad. But since none were as great as him during the late 80’s and 90’s it became Rav Shach’s voice that was used to illustrate the criticism against Chabad. Very convenient for Chabad, because they can pretend it’s only one guy and brush it under the table as an archaic misnaged thing.
puts on doomsday voice
Folks, here we see how anti-vaxxers like doomsday LIED about vaccines causing autism. Doomsday said several times that there were over 150 studies linking vaccines to autism. Wow, big evidence, yeah?
NO
That’s a lie and there aren’t anystudies. WHICH DOOMSDAY KNOWS because she read the website I posted which debunked that sheker!!!!!
A few things. We say that the Mesora and Torah left Eretz Yisroel and went to Bavel, so we pasken like the Bavli and not the Yerushalmi. There actually is a lack of meforshim, very few rishonim compared to Bavli. It’s far more difficult to understand, often the meforshim will argue as to whether a sentence is a kashe or teretz.
@WolfishMusings My first thought was to add some Vogon poetry. Good to see someone beat me to it.
@Joseph But then you won’t have bechira in Galus since you saw a neis nigla and you’ll never get schar for any mitzva that you do for the rest of your life!
Obviously this is Big Pharma pushing their agenda!
But to be serious, it’s been fun guys. Thanks for the pointless arguments and bitul zman. I’m honestly surprised this thread lasted this long.
There are over 150 Studies by Real Scientists that Vaccines are Linked to Autism
Show me them. You keep telling me to “Google it” but the only thing I can find that even remotely resembles what you’re claiming is some comment on a forum that links to a Scrib.com collection of random documents.
To remind you of where to do your research:
- “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
- “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
Unless you’ve read those links, you cannot in all honesty continue to peddle the claim that there exists studies showing a link.
Can we please please stop with the pretense? The only reason that the frum oilom supports Republicans over Democrats is because of gay marriage. Period. There isn’t a single other issue that they differ on that ever comes up in reid.
I don’t want to hear anything else about this unless this is acknowledged.
I’ve been vaccinated.
My spouse has been vaccinated.
All my children have been vaccinated.
About a billion other people have been vaccinated.
Research shows that the adverse affects are far rarer than adverse affects of the diseases they prevent.
There you have it. Vaccines are a far better option.
The previous Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”L and Rav Hutner ZT”L took classes together in gymnasium while they learnt by Rav Ezriel Hildesheimer ZT”L.
First off, which Satmar is this? These days it’s confusing. Chassidim and Agudah regularly join forces because the big chassiduses have massive voting blocs and huge clout with the state.
But that changes nothing!
אלו אלו the Chassidisheh Yeshivos would have had Limudei Chol (like every other Yeshiva in NY, from giants like Darchei, TV, and Chaim Berlin, to the tiniest little mosod in some basement in Monsey) to begin with, this wouldn’t have started and דיינו. If אלו אלו they wouldn’t have barred the doors from inspectors, דיינו and everyone would have been happy. אלו אלו they appeased the inspectors with some basic fluff when they came around, דיינו and this wouldn’t have continued. אלו אלו they agreed to a compromise and given some basic classes, דיינו.
But no. For these Yeshivos don’t believe that they are in Galus. They think they can run things their way and ignore the goyim. That rules are for suckers and Litvaks. So they pushed and pushed and refused to compromise and demanded all then the entire frum velt has to clean up their mess and pretend to react in shock when it becomes abundantly clear how right the Chachomim were that תפסת מרובה לא תפסת .
@zahavasdad That’s not true. Helbrans was a Ba’al Teshuva and very much Jewish.
“Join” implies to do something that the other is already doing. HaRav Brudny is repairing the damage caused by Satmar et al, not joining them in anything.
@doomsday “157 studies”. Don’t forget your initial goals!
AS A HUMAN WHO INGESTS OXYGEN AND DERIVES PLEASURE FROM CONSUMPTION OF FERMENTED VEGETABLES IT IS GOOD FOR ROOM OF COFFEE TO PREVENT FILTHY ROBOTS FROM COMING. CORRECT, FELLOW HUMANS?
My grandfather used to do that. Don’t think it was a minhag, just something fun he liked to do.
@AviK Supper, of course! All meals are equal in my eyes.
My point is that there are things that society benefits from as a whole, even if you don’t see the benefits directly. Federal subsidies for people that can afford basic living expenses is one. Vaccinations are another.
@Avi K: Should those who don’t get Section 8 housing be forced to subsidize those who do? TANSTAAFS.
So you’re backing off from your “157 studies” claim entirely, correct? I applaud you for being honest. But I sincerely believe that you should back off of more goalpost movements until you’ve at least done your homework on your initial claims.
To shoot for your current goal, Viera Scheibner lied about disease statistics in various reports, such as polio rates, SIDS rates, and measles in Japan. So why should I believe her alleged CotWatch data that was done in her own lab, under her own watch, with no control group, and no oversight?
@doomsayer
Thanks for finally addressing my comment. But this is why I keep stressing that you need to read the blogs. They go through every single study on your list and show how it’s either irrelevant to the alleged vaccine-autism link, or how it doesn’t actually prove anything.
Take the studies you labeled 5, 6, 7, and 10 for instance. They look at ethylmercury exposure. Ethylmercury is a compound that was never part of vaccines. But since it sounds a bit like methylethyl mercury (thimerisol) people get confused.
@doomsday As I see you are back to posting, I want to know if you’ve had time to review the sites I posted about.
- “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
- “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
If you haven’t I don’t see how you can continue this conversation with honesty. You claimed to have done research, yet you don’t tell us where to find any of that research. I show you a site stating that your research is faulty, but suddenly you don’t have time to read a web page.
@bais hillel
@doomsday literally spent about 3 days doing nothing but saying “Liar!” in all caps and bold to anyone who dared say that she’s wrong while the only “research” she seemed to have done involved stating facts without reference that no one here was able to actually verify.Would you rather have your filter block CR or stick hot needles in your eyes?
To clarify my comments and your last post. I spent a bit Googling for “157 vaccine autism studies” and finally came up with a scribd.com document listed those studies. (it wasn’t so easy to find, despite what @doomsday says). It’s not that the studies aren’t valid, it’s just that 95% of them don’t actually have anything to do with vaccines and/or autism. It’s literally just a collection of random papers that share some words in common with the big scare words that the anti-vaxxer crowd likes to throw around.
Please read the articles I keep posting before you respond to me again. You clearly haven’t read them or you wouldn’t be responding to me in that fashion. It’s not that I don’t “agree” with the 157 studies. It’s that the don’t exist.
- “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
- “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
What about Channuka lights, like those big decorations that look exactly like X-Mas lights except they’re blue and/or in the shape of a menora? Like putting a fake menora on your car?
@doomsday You just ignored my links, all my comments, and then used faulty logic to be motzei shem ra that I’m a liar. Do you know why myself and @2cents are saying there aren’t any studies backing up your assertions? Because there aren’t! The “157 studies” statement is a lie invented by a random blogger.
If you want to know more, read the links I keep reposting. Otherwise, you’re just being dishonest with yourself and others by refusing to acknowledge that you may have accidentally ingested false information on the premise that it’s true.
- “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
- “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
@doomsday: A simple yes or no would suffice. Do you contend that there are 157 studies showing a link between vaccines and autism?
- “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
- “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
Speaking in poems sounds nice, but it will probably come out creepy, in a “Cat in the Hat” kind of way. Pretty sure most of what I want to say has been said already, but it would be difficult in certain very specific situations such as referring to people by their full name.