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    We have to continue with our Hishtadlus al pi derech hateva, while continuing to daven for the development of Medinat Yisrael into Malchus Yisrael led by Mashiach Tzidkeinu. For now, while Medinat Yisrael is far from perfect, we should celebrate the return of Jewish sovereignty to at least a portion of Eretz Yisrael – after all, Chazal said that even though Malchus haChashmona’im was problematic (Kohanim as kings, the later kings not following Torah uMitzvos), we still celebrate Chanukah “l’fi shechazra malchus l’Yisrael yoser me-masayim shana” – because sovereignty was returned to the Jews for over 200 years (actually about 178, but whatever).

    Jewish sovereignty in Eretz Yisrael was seen as an inherent positive – even if the Jews ruling Eretz Yisrael were less than perfect.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Shaatnez testing Brooks Brothers Suits #2252590
    anIsraeliYid
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    I’ve regularly bought Brooks Brothers suits for years, and every single one of them had the exact same Shatnez issue – the collar stiffener, which was 100% linen. Fortunately, it’s a pretty easy fix, but you need to make sure that the one fixing it is Makpid to completely remove the entire old stiffener before sewing the new, non-linen one, in place. It can be easier to just cut the old one out, leaving edges in place, rather than ripping out at the seams.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Looking for the phone number for Rav Belsky ztl”s bais din #2251233
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Did you try calling Torah Vodaas? They may have the names/numbers of the members.

    in reply to: Bli Neder no music until all hostages are free #2240752
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    It is quite the commitment, and as an Israeli, I am touched by your gesture. This is not for everyone, but as Sam Klein said, you are being Noseh b’Ol Chaveiro in a way that is meaningful.

    I note that here in Israel, some people specifically do listen to music now as a way to keep themselves from drowning in the situation – and that is proper too. It is akin to the Abarbenel hiring musicians to play for the Jews leaving Spain on Tisha b’Av in 1492 – he felt that the need to strengthen the spirits of those being expelled was enough of a reason to override the general Issue of music on Tisha b’Av.

    an Israeli Yid.

    in reply to: Kollel Couple Moving to Israel. What BANK to use? #2236726
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    The First bank of Mommy and Daddy – after all, they’re the ones that will be financing you 🙂

    Seriously, though – find a US bank that allows you to make ATM withdrawals abroad without fees – First Republic, A”H, used to do this, but I think TD or Capital One may also have this; you should check them out. This will enable you to have cash transferred to you in Israel by having someone in the US (rich Shver?) deposit USD and you can then withdraw as NIS.

    In Israel, the services are relatively similar – so it will really be more a matter of convenience. Note that as a non-Israeli, you may have restrictions on having your account go negative – so you should check that out.

    As to credit cards – I completely agree with the suggestions above on having a US credit card that does not charge foreign fees. This can be the best way of converting funds, and certain features of US cards that are not standard on Israeli ones can be very helpful – though you need to check if there’s a country exclusion for Israel. You should also try to get an Israeli card in Israel (it’s generally the same card as the one you use at an ATM), since certain vendors either don’t take or have issues with non-Israeli cards.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: More Torah being Learned than ever, yet more Troubles #2235233
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    More trouble than when? The time of the Churban? The time of the Crusades? The Inquisition? Tach v’Tat? The Holocaust?

    Don’t get me wrong – there are serious issues facing Jews around the world. But it’s also important to keep a sense of perspective – and a sense of Jewish history.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: The Israel Pogram of 2023 Jewish Massacre #2234550
    anIsraeliYid
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    To Trrolly McTrollface and Some Jew – most of those you quote were no longer alive when Rav Teictel, HY”D, wrote his Sefer. He, too, had been anti-Zionist before the war – but saw the Holocaust as a Siman Min haShamayom that he was wrong. And it would have been rather difficult to get haskamos while in wartime Hungary – which is where he was when he wrote it.

    As to HKB”H’s Cheshbonos (sorry about the typo above) – those are for HKB”H to make, not us. I simply believe that He runs the world, and if He doesn’t want something to happen – it doesn’t happen. I don’t believe that Hashgacha Pratis ceased in Eretz Yisrael in 1948 and all that happened there thereafter was from the Sitra Achra, as Satmar and their hangers-on do – and if you can’t see the Yad Hashem in what’s been built here since, you are simply fooling yourself.

    None is as blind as he who won’t see.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: The Israel Pogram of 2023 Jewish Massacre #2234418
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    To the resident troll – you attribute the Holocaust to Zionism. Rav Yissachar Shlomo Teichtel HY”D, one of the Gedolim in prewar Europe, wrote a whole Sefer, Eim haBanim Semeicha, on why the Holocaust was punishment for the Jews in Europe ignoring the opportunity to return to Eretz Yisrael presented by the establishment of the British Mandate in the San Remo conference. Me? I leave it to HKB”H to keep his own Chahbonos – he doesn’t need me (or anyone else, for that matter) to do it for him.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: The Israel Pogram of 2023 Jewish Massacre #2233928
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Red – of course you can’t. It is almost funny, though,.how perfectly he personifies Chazal’s saying of “Kol haPosel -b’Mumo Posel”. He resorts to referring to me as a “malevolent misbegotten being”, which is actually quite funny considering.his role as chief troll here – and I’d say that his description is a pretty good synopsis of what.a troll is. Most definitely a real piece of work.

    in reply to: The Israel Pogram of 2023 Jewish Massacre #2233368
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    ujm – aside from being a Jew-hating troll, you’re also an ignoramus. Chisinau and Kishinev are the same place, yet you cite the 1903 pogrom that took place there twice.

    in reply to: Fury #2231455
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Red – as the parent of soldiers, I fully agree. I do not.celebrate the death of Gaza civilians, but I do not mourn them either; it is simply necessary to do what must be done, while.minimizong the risk to all Israelis, both soldiers and civilians.

    A brother in caring for Klal Yisrael,

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Simchas Torah Minyan for Bnei Eretz Yisroel in Brooklyn #2227274
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    There used to be one in Chaim Berlin years.ago for Israeli guys learning there. That being said, there is an issue of being poretz geder in being too open about celebrating Simchas Torah too publicly in Chu”l on the first day.

    As to doing melacha privately on the second day – there are those who are matir, including the Chacham Tzvi.

    in reply to: Whats Rishus cold seltzer? #2216263
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Sounds like it was a literal translation of the New England expression of something that’s really good as “wicked good”.

    in reply to: Gaavad Yerushalayim election #2215631
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    May whomever is ultimately selected be a Ro’eh Ne’eman for his Keheila.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Elokai Netzor, or not? #2215630
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    mobico – I heard explicitly from R’ Yisroel Reisman that when Rav Dovid Feinstein was in Aveilus for his father, he Davened Mincha for the Amud at Ahi Ezer prior to giving a Shiur there. While he used his standard ha’avara, he Davened the Nusach of Edot haMizrach in both the quiet Shmoneh Esrei and Chazaras haSha”tz – with the reason being that (a) a Sha”tz is supposed to follow the Minhag haMakom for Nusach, and (b) the quiet Shmoneh Esrei is only a preparation/practice for the Sha”tz’s “main” Shmoneh Esrei – which is the one he says out loud.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Erez Yisrael or stay in Galut? #2178862
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    simcha613 – your thought lines up well with the Chasam Sofer’s explanation of “Kol Berama Nishma” – Rachel Imeinu got HKB”H to agree that B’nei Yisrael would be able to start returning to E”Y even before the full ge’ula. It’s unfortunate that “einayim lahem – v’lo yir’u” applies to many of Acheinu Kol Beis Yisrael who have not yet taken advantage of the opportunity to return home to the land that HKB”H has his eye on “meireishis shana v’ad acharis shana”.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Mi Shebeirach for Israel and the Soldiers #2177743
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Lakewhut – you expect an intellectually honest explanation of this question in the YWN coffee room? Given the resident trolls (hello, Joseph/ujm/whatever name you’re using this year), reflexively anti-Israel posters, etc., I wish you luck with that.

    in reply to: shidduch prospects #2075587
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Yes.

    in reply to: Two Years since Covid #2072363
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    ujm – I actually agree with you on this one. Wow.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Missing a parsha #2072201
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    The chiyuv to hear every Parsha is a chiyuv of the Tzibur, not the Yachid – so technically, you’re OK if you miss a Parsha. That being said, if you’re in the US with a group of people, you can see if you can find a Minyan (and Ba’al Koreh) who are willing to Lein the whole Parshas Bechukosai at Shabbos Mincha before you fly back (i.e., call up Kohen, Levi, and then finish the Parsha on Yisrael) – that’s what happened once in a situation I was in where I and a group of relatives flew in to the US for a wedding. Good luck!

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Daylight Savings time #2069855
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    In London, sunrise in late December/early January is as late as 8:06 AM, and in Amsterdam, it’s as late as 8:50 AM, and that’s on standard time. What do people in those places do? If I remember correctly, people in the NY area in the 1970s went to Minyanim in the area where they worked due to this – so I guess places like the Wall Street Synagogue, or places on the Lower East Side, will get an influx of Mispalelim.

    For purely personal reason, I like the US having year-round DST, since it makes the time difference between NY and Israel only six hours for part of the year – much better for work (two overlapping work hours vs. one) and for personal reasons if I want to speak with people in the US.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Joe Biden is not the 46th President of the United States of America. #2056282
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    TS Baum – you are incorrect that Biden is the 45th person elected president – he is only the 41st.
    Presidents James Tyler, Andrew Johnson, Chester Arthur, and Gerald Ford were never elected president, and in fact, Ford was never even elected vice-president.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Chug Chasam Sofer Petach Tikva #2050037
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Mod-29 – every single participant in this thread is using a handle that is clearly not a real name – making them anonymous. I do concede, though, that not everyone here is a troll – though there are definitely some here who are regularly trollish in other threads (hello, Joseph/ujm/whatever handle you’re using today!).

    in reply to: Chug Chasam Sofer Petach Tikva #2049468
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    You should ask your personal Posek, not a bunch of anonymous internet trolls.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Kollel life with no parental support #2047185
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    amom – much Hatzlacha to you. Almost 30 years ago, my wife and I found ourselves in a similar position. The conclusion was that it was time for me to leave Kolel and find a job so that we could support ourselves.

    I spoke with my R”Y, Rav Yisroel Belsky ZT”L, prior to taking this step. He told me then that what’s more important than when one leaves Kolel to join the working world is the attitude one takes when leaving – i.e., does one continue to place one’s obligations to Torah and Yiddishkeit at the center of one’s value system, or does one push it to the side to pursue the American dream. I’ve striven to make sure that, while fully active in the professional world, Torah comes first – I’ve continued to be Kove’a Itim since, including, while still in the US, still showing up in Yeshiva for morning Seder on Sundays, since I did not have work obligations then (Sunday afternoons were reserved for doing things with my family – they deserve some attention too, after all).

    Much Hatzlacha to you, whatever way forward you ultimately choose.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Six Figure Salaries #2025155
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Depends where. In Israel, for example, one can do reasonably with a somewhat lower income due to the Israeli government’s generous support for Torah education and other requirements of Frum life that need to be paid for privately in the US. In the US, the situation is obviously different.

    Medical care is also generally less expensive in Israel.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Where is the line between halacha and dinas dimalchusa #2006690
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Nochum Dokshitz – can you give Mekoros for your statements that Dina d’Malchusa being only for financial matters, and that the only issue otherwise is not getting caught due to Chilul Hashem? In any case, even according to your stated logic, there’s always a better-than-you-think chance that you’ll be caught, thereby causing a Chulul Hashem – so that in and of itself should be a reason to FOLLOW THE LAW.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: is coffee kosher? #1955817
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    The 10% infestation rate cited in the article does not mean that 10% of the beans are actually insects or filth – it means that 10% of the beans show signs of insect infestation or filth. The actual percentage that consists of insects is much lower, and is batul. As the beans are then roasted and ground up, the odds of there being an entire insect are tiny – so drink up and enjoy!

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Techeiles and Bal Tosif #1934816
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Why would there be an issue of Ba’al Tosif? Technically, tzitzis (other than the required p’sil techeles) can be any color – there is no requirement for them to be white. As such, even if the current version of techeles is not correct, Ba’al Tosef would not be an issue. I could see that yuhara could be an issue, whether it is correct or not (though more of an issue if it’s not), but even that is questionable.

    As an aside – Rav Yisrael Belsky, Z”L, personally told me that he thought the current techeles from the Machon P’til Techelet is correct. He further told me that the only reason he did not wear it publicly was on account of yuhara – so he only wore it on Shabbos on his Talis Katan, when it would be hidden under his Kapoto.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: The Empty Wagon – great book, but berating specific frum Jews is assur #1902209
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    HaKatan – you keep on repeating the same tired points, while either ignoring or denigrating the views of those with whom you disagree. The volume of your verbiage does not reflect the strength of your view – bloviation does not equal evidence. I therefore see no point in continuing this dialogue.

    Wishing you a K’siva v’Chasima Tova,

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: The Empty Wagon – great book, but berating specific frum Jews is assur #1902166
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    HaKatan – I specifically did not state that Rabbi Hoffman wrote a review of Rabbi Shapiro’s Satmar-oriented sefer. I stated that you should read what Rabbi Hoffman wrote for a counterview. Satmar – and Rabbi Shapiro – are perfectly entitled to their view. Rabbi Hoffman’s article presents a different view, and notes the Gedolim that supported such contrary view.

    You have chosen a Shita to follow. It is far from the universal – or even majority – view at this time, and attempting to say otherwise – or to state with certainty what the Gedolim of yesteryear would have said today – is simply an attempt to fool yourself.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: The Empty Wagon – great book, but berating specific frum Jews is assur #1901377
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Rabbi Shapiro has his Satmar-affiliated shita, but it is far from being the mainstream view. His insistence on painting the “Zionists” as a single monolithic bloc, all of whom were bent on eradicating Torah from Klal Yisrael and replacing it with Zionist views, is misguided at best and disingenuous at worst.

    For a well-written and cogent counterview, just look up Rabbi Yair Hoffman’s review of this book.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Time to remember the soldiers #1854941
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Joseph – that’s right, dismiss anything that doesn’t agree with your view as not true. It’s not from some “Zionist book” – it’s a widely-quoted story that is cited by many non-Zionist sources as well (I googled it and found multiple sources immediately). I also found the following re: Rav Chaim Shmulevitz ZT”L of Mir:

    “At the outbreak of the Yom Kippur War, when throughout the country the alarm was sounded at the height of the day, yeshiva students gathered at the Mir Yeshiva in Jerusalem shelter to hear words of encouragement. The Rosh Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Shmulevitz zt”l first began addressing the fighting in the front: ‘The soldiers,’ he said, ‘who risk their lives for our rescue at this time – the entire world cannot stand in their midst. Our obligation is to pray about and for them has no bounds. If for a person who opened the door of his house before his friend Chazal have said that he owes him his life, let alone those who give up their lives, we must thank him without limit.’ ”

    So, to the original question – can you please enlighten us as to why in your Gadlus you disagree with Rav Shlomo Zalman, ZT”L? For that matter – with Rav Chaim Shmulevitz, ZT”L too? I’m sure you must have a good reason to disagree with the Gedolim, oh Wise One of the YWN Coffee Room.

    Also – you are ignoring the answer I gave as to why this particular day was chosen – it is the Yahrtzeit of a large group of Jews who were massacred by Arabs because they were Jews.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Time to remember the soldiers #1854735
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Joseph – just to clarify – you’re disagreeing with Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, zt”l, who, when alive, was considered the leader of Chareidi Jews in Israel, who clearly said that the soldiers buried at Har Hertzel are Kedoshim. Is that correct? If so, can you please tell me why you, the eminent YWN Coffee Room Gadol, disagree with Rav Shlomo Zalman? I’m sure you must have some deep Amkus in Torah that supports your view against one of the preeminent Gedolim of the generation, and we would be blessed if you’d enlighten us with your brilliance.

    As to why this particular day was chosen – it was the day on which Kfar Etzion fell, and its defenders were massacred by the Arab attackers. A Yahrtzeit is a time to commemerate, no?

    an Israeli Yid

    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    To those asking why this is different from Holocaust or Inquisition – my Rav gave a very good explanation. This is not a Sha’as haShmad, where we are being persecuted because of our Yiddishkeit, and where there is therefore a specific inyan to be Moser Nefesh. Here, HKB”H is the one who is effectively telling us to stay home.

    We need to be mispalel on our own that this Magefa end – as David haMelech said when there was a Magefa in Klal Yisrael “Nifla Na b’Yad Hashem Ki Rabim Rachamav” – we accept our punishment from Hashem, and rely on his mercy, and are thankful that that the punishment is not from the hand of Man.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Mishing on Pesach #1846989
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    On the general issue of “mishing” – there are many who will not mish on Pesach, but have no problem buying products produced by others – whether commercially or individually – before Pesach. The reason is that before Pesach, one can be somech on Bitul even for Chametz Gamur (though that of course is not what we want to do) – while on Pesach, Chametz is not Batul even in 1.000, so people want to be extra careful on Pesach itself.

    As an aside – I was told by my grandmother that the reason people had a Minhag not to eat garlic is because in Europe, farmers used to dip the garlic in flour before bringing it to the marketplace to sell in order to make it look whiter.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Backyard minyanim #1846356
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Following is from Rav Hershel Schachter, via YUTorah. You can find the whole thing, including the Hebrew with the Ma’areh Mekomos, if you go to that site and look for “Piskei Corona 14”. I tried copying the Hebrew over, but the formatting got messed up, so I only copied the English.

    an Israeli Yid

    Ten men who are standing on different porches cannot be joined together in order to constitute a
    minyan even though they can all see each other. In order to constitute a minyan for Devarim
    She’bekedusah (like Kaddish and Kedushah), the ten men must all be standing in the same room. (It
    should be noted that in smaller spaces, such as a shiva ho
    use, care should be taken to make sure that ten
    men are davening together in the same room. If less than ten are davening in one room and less than ten
    in an adjacent room, even though they can clearly see one another, this would not constitute a minyan.
    In order to create a minyan there must be ten participants davening in the same room.)
    It should certainly be discouraged for people to make a minyan outside on the lawn even if they maintain
    the minimum distance recommended by the health department. One should not place himself even
    into a situation of a doubtful sakanah in order to daven with a minyan.

    in reply to: Backyard minyanim #1843677
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    HIE – I’m not a mumcheh, so I can’t say for certain that “ro’in zeh es zeh” is or is not enough; I just recall that when we had ten people split between two rooms, even when they could see each other, my Rosh Yeshiva would insist that we have a minimum of ten in a single room before he’d allow us to Daven as a Minyan. It could well be that we’re now in a situation where we can be Somech on Shitos that are more Meikil on this – and it could also be that my Rosh Yeshiva was being Machmir on a Shita that is not universally accepted only because it was possible to be Machmir at the time.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Backyard minyanim #1843306
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    HIE – are you sure that this counts as a Minyan, since everyone is in a different Reshus? As I remember the Halacha (and I could be mistaken), you need to have ten men in a single Reshus to have a Minyan. Someone who is not in that Reshus and Davens with them is considered to be Davening b’Tzibur, but can’t count towards the Minyan.

    Here in Israel, the Misrad HaBri’ut is still allowing outdoor Minyanim of ten exactly, provided social distancing is observed. As such, I’ve seen a number of “parking lot Minyanim”, consisting mainly or exclusively of people from that single building. The Rabbanut allows this, but there are many individual Rabbanim who are either forbidding such Minyanim or strongly discouraging them – and each person should follow his Posek, provided they are within the guidelines of the Misrad HaBri’ut.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Coronavirus versus the Seasonal Flu #1843307
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    I await the apologies/retractions of akuperma and the others who were saying, long after it was obvious that it was not the case, that this is no more than “a bad flu”, especially now that the Frum/Yeshivish community is affected so heavily.

    I’m not holding my breath…

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Does all Chabad agree with him??? #1806652
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    The Gemara also says that Chizkiyahu HaMelech was worthy of being Mashiach, but the Dor wasn’t worthy. If Mashiach can come from the dead (even after they’ve been resurrected), then why doesn’t the Gemara say that he could STILL be Mashiach?

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Is it better to be Chassidish or Litvish? #1803143
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    It’s best to be a Shomer Torah u’Mitzvos.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: Keeping the Siyum Hashas Sacred. #1796493
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Haimy – I agree with you. I remember the first Siyum in the Felt Forum, as well as the ones in MSG – the chill I felt hearing Rav Schwab ZT”L tell a story of a child killed in the Holocaust, the feeling I had, even as a child, that I was part of something special – something that I could aspire to be a “real” participant in when I would be old enough to learn Daf Yomi. Now? Have a few extra bucks, be a big Knocker. It’s lost that specialness – which is why I’ll be participating only remotely, in an out-of-town Shul with a feed from the “main event”. I’d rather participate in the true Simcha of those I’ve learned the Daf with all these years than just be a part of an “event”.

    an Israeli Yid (currently in CHU”L, where it’s not yet Shabbos)

    in reply to: Star-K Article about Electric Shavers #1750375
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    To those who say that Rav Moshe, ZT”L, was a Da’as Yachid – I can personally say that I spoke with Rav Yisrael Belsky ZT”L about shavers, and he said that as long as it was not a lift-and-cut, it was fine.

    And yes, I do generally follow Rav Belsky’s Chumros as well as his Kulos.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: WARNING : Shemita wines being sold in NY/NJ #1724920
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Nechomah – Heter Mechira wine, when received as a gift prior to the Zman Bi’ur, is actually Muttar to drink since it’s only mekach u’memkar that’s Assur for Peiros Shvi’is – and if you’ve received it for free, you did nothing wrong. The issue is if it’s after the zman bi’ur, since if the Heter Mechira is not good (a separate conversation), then it’s peiros shvi’is that did not go throguh bi’ur when required – and are therefore assur to you forever – but also can’t be destroyed as they have kedushas shvi’is.

    BTW, the psak I got on something like this is that since there are rabbanim whom one can be somech on for the heter mechira – including Rav Ovadia Yosef ZT”L, one is allowed to give such a product to someone who does use heter mechira for that person to use. As always, though, ask your local orthodox rabbi.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: WARNING : Shemita wines being sold in NY/NJ #1724937
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Zvika – if a product was originally Otzar Beis Din, and then someone took it and sold it shelo k’din, that does not change its status at the time that it was Otzar Beis Din. As such, if you consider the hechsher that stated that it was Otzar Beis Din reliable, and the wine was still in production at the zman bi’ur, it should still be fine, even if someone else sold it afterwards.

    Re: destroying unspoiled Kedushas Shvi’is products – I find the psak you quote from Rav Elyashiv ZT”L very strange, as it contradicts what I’ve heard from all of my Rabe’im and Poskim over the years. Are you absolutely sure he said that?

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: WARNING : Shemita wines being sold in NY/NJ #1724372
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Zvika – I suggest you read the article on the MK’s website (linked above) re: the Bi’ur issue – they note that as the wine was not ready then, it was still in the hands of the Otzar Beis Din at the zman bi’ur, which is considered to be in the hands of the public – so as it was not in the possession of any one individual then, there was no need for bi’ur. The MK article also address the other issues you mention.

    Also, you are dead wrong on the treatment of something that was chayav in bi’ur and it wasn’t done. it CAN NOT be spilled out or otherwise destroyed, as it’s still Kedushas Shvi’is, but it also can not be used. It has to be put aside until it spoils on its own, and can only then be disposed of. As it relates to wine in sealed bottles, this is a problem, as the wine will generally not spoil for decades or longer if left alone – so the individual has to leave it on its own essentially forever…

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: WARNING : Shemita wines being sold in NY/NJ #1723999
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Nechomah – if the wines in question are Otzar Beis Din, then they’re not Heter Mechira.

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: WARNING : Shemita wines being sold in NY/NJ #1723829
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    IsometimesAgree – thanks for the link to the article – it’s a very good summary of the issue. One minor point re: one of the examples they bring, though – they mention that if one used Shmita onions to make soup, the entire soup is Kedushas Shviis. The problem is that it’s pretty much impossible now to have a situation where Shmita vegetables are Mutar at all (the Shita of the Chazon Ish on Yevul Nochri notwithstanding), since Shmita vegetables, even if they grow on their own, are Assur miderabanan under the Gzeira of Sfichin! A better example would have been something made with Shmita fruit…

    an Israeli Yid

    in reply to: WARNING : Shemita wines being sold in NY/NJ #1720400
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    There are several problems with Kedushas Shviis produce in Chutz LaAretz, including that there’s a Chiyuv to do Bi’ur on it at a certain time – and if this was not done, the item is Assur forever, but can not be destroyed. Also, there is an Issur to bring Peiros Shviis out of Halachic Eretz Yisrael, or to purchase Peiros Shviis (Otzar Beis Din is a way around this, but has very specific rules). The issue of how to deal with leftovers (which Klugeryid brings up) is complex, as those of us who are lucky enough to live in Eretz Yisrael know.

    Based on these issues, I’d be very, very hesitant to purchase any of the wines in question.

    an Israeli Yid

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