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What happens to the boys that do not have it in them to sit and learn all day?
“not accept the legitimacy of the Israeli government”
Those who cannot accept the State of Israel as a Fait Accompli are mechuyav (obligated) to move immediately to a highly insular Orthodox community outside of Israel.
A major factor in the survival of Torah Judaism has been the acceptance of the reality of the government in power and then negotiating the best possible terms to insure survival of the Torah community.
EarlyhHistorical examples are: Bavel, Alexander the Great, Hordus, RomeMay 1, 2013 1:44 am at 1:44 am in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950829
Hashgochah temidis is needed here.
Nicnas v’yotezeh (coming and going supervision) is very insufficient.April 30, 2013 5:09 am at 5:09 am in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950818
My best understanding is that there are too many Pizza shops for a single Menahel to cover his own students. They will not want to take guys who might otherwise be learning. Hence, they will recruit YWN Coffee Room bloggers.April 30, 2013 12:22 am at 12:22 am in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950815
If a Ban is implemented, will an enforcement patrol need to be formed?
I expect some members of the YWN Coffee Room will join. This will mean this blog will be much less “lively” going forward on Motzei Shabbos.
There are 48 prerequisites for acquiring Torah. One of them is Simcha (joy of life).
On the day in which joy is removed, 9th of Av normal learning ceases.
Also, most people need some down time to re-energize themselves for future accomplishment.April 28, 2013 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950795
Then if these are basic standards, then anyone taking a public position, or being accepted to a Kollel should have to testify (not with an oath) that they have lived by these standards and will continue to do so; and that they are accepting their salary / stipend on that basis.April 28, 2013 6:06 am at 6:06 am in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950791
Selective high standards of frumkeit that are only imposed upon the weak (high school students who can be expelled) will be a cause for rebellion.
“and normal parents can hold extremely high standards of frumkeit”
Only if they fully live by them themselves.April 28, 2013 5:25 am at 5:25 am in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950789
I am questioning the specific sanction of expulsion for being at a pizza store Saturday night.
Expulsion during high school is considered Deenai Nefashot.
Perhaps the same standards of perfection that are applied in the more “shtark” high schools should also be applied to those past high school. Those who want to be supported in Kollel should have to take an oath that they did not have even a single improper conversation with a woman in the last 4 years.April 28, 2013 3:08 am at 3:08 am in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950781
WIY, we both like pizza, but you like your pizza with a strong cup of Ka’naus.
Some policies have an effect to winnow out those who are not totally devoted.
Is our goal to present to Moshiach a bare Minyan of the totally dedicated and leave everyone else behind?
The concept of the Few, the Select exists and can be energizing for some, but it is not a Jewish concept.April 26, 2013 12:40 am at 12:40 am in reply to: Letter circulated in Brooklyn about Motzei Shabbos hangouts #950750
This thread made me hungry for Pizza.
I just benched after eating half of an extra large.
With some posters it is “Ha-Lanu or Le-tza-reinu???” (friend or foe???)
Yes we can!!!
It is called Neshama Yeseirah.April 21, 2013 3:41 am at 3:41 am in reply to: Obama is crying because his gun law didn't get passed #947940
The specific bill that got “killed” was not “Obama’s Bill”, but an improvement of the present back round checking. It also would have reaffirmed the ban on a registry of gun owners.
Overall the bill would have enhanced protection against tyranny. Criminal armed thugs have been used by many dictators to enforce their will.
Mitt Romney would have got that bill through. However, there is too much Obama phobia now for any gun measure. Obama’s statement in 2008 about “bitter people clinging to guns and religion” causes any gun related bill to be viewed as an attack on the rural culture.
It is Erev Shabbos. Let the Cohanim rest in peace.
It is this new religion of Anti-Zionism which creates a thick cloud causing otherwise G-d fearing Jews to be unable to see much of the positive that G-d has done for the Jewish people in the last 65 years.
5 Iyar was set by the British, as they decided when to end their mandate and get out.
We will ask them if they knew A”T Bash.
The Torah does talk about “kochi v’otzem yadi”, but not in the way the hard right Kanoim talk about it. They equate it to Baal Worship. The Torah follows thru that we must realize that our strength comes from G-d.
Some of the posters in this thread have such an intense hatred of “Zionism” that it inevitably results in disrespect for those who died in the Holocaust.
Throughout history many practices of in the way of honor “derech kavod” have arisen far away from the Torah world, such as the dressing in a suit and tie for respectful occasions. The Torah world has then embraced those modes, and are among the most diligent in dressing respectfully.
The “moment of silence” has now become a very important derech kavod in the eyes of most people. Any lack of respect during such a moment tags the individuals and their families and their community as being brazen – azuse panim.
During the Seder we mention different drashas that each try to increase the number of plagues that were brought on ancient Egypt.
The more plagues that were then, the more we can be protected from.
Recent Kanoim want to increase the number of categories of Apikorsim until we will, in their eyes, be left with only a Minyan of pious Jews fitting to meet the Moshiach.
“If my wife doesn’t mind, why should you?”
Yes, if she fully and willingly forgave her claim.
She needs to be fully aware that the normal Torah expectation and the general practice of Jewish men for 3000 years has been to support their wives, as is mentioned specifically in the Kesubah. This awareness of normal obligations and your special request for forgiveness has to come before the engagement. Otherwise, it is a forgiveness under pressure.
Then the future children, still need to be provided for. Hence, besides the forgiveness of her claim of support; she has to take on the obligation of supporting the children she will bear.
If he comes to the Chupah with a several year committed Kollel or graduate school stipend; with the understanding that after the several year period he will take a job as a Rebbe or professor; then he is supporting the family. She just has to accept the lower standard of living that a Rebbe or professor will provide vs. someone in a lucrative profession.
There is a concept in science and engineering called significant digits. For example, if you are weighing something with a scale that can have an error of one pound or greater, the reading on the scale of tenths of pounds is really meaningless.
Whenever I encounter PI in my engineering work I will try control the related phenomenon with parts that have a possible error of +/-15%. Hence, the only significant digit of PI is the “3”, not the digits to the right of the decimal point, which affect the accuracy by less than 5%.
We learn the laws of Succos 30 days in advance. This gives people time to acquire the Lulav & Esrog and build the Sukkah.
We teach our sons the language of Kosher money and computational skills from an early age so when he is ready to get married the Kesubah will not be false words.
Comes Succos and you have not prepared, you cannot steal a Lulav, Esrog and Sukkah to do the Mitzvos.
This thread is about what to do when the time to marry comes and you have not prepared.
Showing up at the Chupah without any skills to support your wife financially is like showing up at the start of Succos without a Sukkah or Arba Minim.
The Torah commands men to be fruitful and multiply. The Rabbis specify that it must be with a Jewish marriage and a Kesubah in which the man pledges to financially support the wife and family. If you do not want to make the Kesubah a lie, you must prepare in advance.
From 11 years before the first Destruction to the present day, Torah Judaism has survived by recognizing political realities. The realities have been Bavel, Hordus, Rome in earlier days. It has now been 65 years, longer than the Bavel era; and we have a Coffeeroom full of supposedly frum Jews who have not accepted the reality of the Jewish State. They need to quietly leave, and not say anything that will make it worse for the Torah Jews who remain behind.
The $3B from USA is specifically military assistance, of which 74% is to be spent for hardware / services from US contractors. The aid provides equipment, Israel provides the soldiers.
Economic aid from USA has been phased out completely.
Historically, a large amount of the military aid was provided to help make up for the loss of Sinai in the 1979 peace treaty with Egypt. Promises of aid from USA to both Egypt and Israel over many years was an important part of the 1979 peace treaty.
Actually I want to see the “lucky” full 12,000 all lifted out of poverty. Most well integrated into the Israeli economy and the others as a well supported modern version of Shevet Levi.
No one should have to serve a 40 year enlistment in Nachal Anyyim (ranks of the poor).
“Thee is an inyan brought in seforim that some Yidden are on the level to be concerned with.”
We should not look down upon pious practices by individuals (unless done for purposes of fraud or where they harm others).
However, pious practices should never be misrepresented as basic Halacha.
There are some cases that are “beyond the letter of the law” but not really pious practices but really “being a Mentch”.
Enjoy the sushi.
One can learn the Tractate of Shabbos and then state that he personally finds the opinion of Rabbi A more understandable to him, even though that Halacha follows Rabbi B. This way we are allowed to think, but do not end up with over one million versions of Shabbos.February 20, 2013 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm in reply to: Israeli Army Is Not Short on Manpower�Why Draft the Bnei Torah? #931458
A defensive war against enemies whose vision is to wipe your country off the map is always a Milchemes Mitzva and the exemptions in Devarim do not apply there. This is regardless of whether your “King” is a Chizkiyahu or an Achav or a Menashe.
“the enemy came to attack”
In such a case the exemptions do not apply.
I have learning about the Lechem HaPanim (Show bread) in the Temple. Even though miracles occurred with it, we had to make every effort to prevent it from spoiling.
If I had become a lawyer it would have been in real estate law.
Hence, Baba Basra has a special fascination for me.
The specific Rebbe, Rav Moshe Heinemann certainly also helped.
The 5 daughters of Tzlofchad were able to keep his legacy alive and even get his extra portion for being a first born!
Stop posting for several reasons.
I will give only one:
By posting and representing yourself as a full time BMG learner you weaken the impression we have of the intensity of Torah learning going on at the flagship BMG.
One Piers Morgan has been questioning one of the first 10 Amendments.
Here is the response:
The Bill of Rights is our Crown Jewels.
Anyone tampering with them will be subject to Tar and Feathering!!!December 27, 2012 5:36 am at 5:36 am in reply to: Jews protesting against a job fair! How low will they fall? #915855
Now we need to get back to the thread – the job fair:
“it makes Mafteach a machshir in shmad r”l.”
Shmad is a powerful word and it needs to be reserved for the likes of the Czar y’s and the infamous 25 year draft.
In the old days offering those who had Torah knowledge opportunities to make a living was considered among the biggest chesed acts. There was no worry about Bitul Torah.
But in the new “torah” of the Nut Kase community Schnorring is always frummer than Working.December 27, 2012 2:10 am at 2:10 am in reply to: Jews protesting against a job fair! How low will they fall? #915850
There were old yishuv protests against the new yishuv for decades before 1948.December 27, 2012 1:38 am at 1:38 am in reply to: Jews protesting against a job fair! How low will they fall? #915847
“they are on-record as protesting the pending zionist takeover of the Holy Land”
Unfortunately, their protests joined with the Arab protests led to extreme limitations on immigration. That later led to less Jews being able to escape the Nazi Death Machine.December 26, 2012 3:11 am at 3:11 am in reply to: Jews protesting against a job fair! How low will they fall? #915806
“and tough investigation of the in-laws”
Who has the Torah obligation to support the family?
“needs to talk with your father about doing his share”
Torah begins with basic Mikrah.
Who does the Torah obligate to support the wife?December 25, 2012 2:33 am at 2:33 am in reply to: Jews protesting against a job fair! How low will they fall? #915778
“I am a proud member of the kollel for life system”
No you are not. Your screen name shows a complete lack of pride.
I am not going to support the Batlanim of the BMG Coffeeroom.
There is no such thing as a “kollel for life system” in the USA. Rav Kotler wanted his students to learn for some years and then serve the community in meleches Kodesh.
I do have a Jewish name but use a screen name to protect my privacy.
Are you using an Apple or and Android to send your stuff?
I hope it is not an Apple as Tapuach is supposed to be a merit for Klal Yisroel, not to denigrate us.December 25, 2012 12:25 am at 12:25 am in reply to: Jews protesting against a job fair! How low will they fall? #915774
Happy is one who is in a well respected profession.
Woe to one who is in the profession full of Schlemazels, Schlemiells and Shmendricks.
Forcing those who are not suited for full time learning into Kollel will fill us with losers and degrade respect for Torah learning.
When one who is nebach of these 3 leaves the Kollel, the Honor of Torah Learning is elevated.
When they are more successful in their new professions they are also elevated and no longer “losers”.
Nothing energizes learning more than declaring it to be ossur!!!December 24, 2012 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm in reply to: Jews protesting against a job fair! How low will they fall? #915765
For those who equate a “Zionist” economy with the Nazi economy, there is one obligation: Move to some isolated outpost over two miles above sea level and accept upon themselves not to leave until the Melech HaMoshiach directs them to.
Back to the main thread:
The operators of these fairs are addressing those who already want to work, but are stuck waiting for an opportunity. Having people in the Bais Medrash whose hearts are not into learning does much more damage than good.
“to mean that Torah is osur min haTorah”
Historically, a small tribe of Levi was well supported by the other 12 tribes. Moshe spread them into 48 small towns throughout the other 12 tribes.
The reality of late Shabbos in warmer climates or warmer times of the year in mid climates is that we are somewhat sweaty by late Shabbos.
Showering is not an option.
I have a hard time seeing a tie as a dress enhancement over a sweaty body.
Best is to dress respectfully (perhaps a new clean white shirt), but in a way that allows the sweat to evaporate.
I would like to see it applied against some of the right wing innovations that shmoel and his fellow travelers are so enthusiastic about. Historically, most Torah Jews actually worked for a living.
“Following the path of your logic you probably would advocate against most yidden moving to Eretz Hakodesh. since it would “dilute the intense kedusha”. “
Per Mishna near beginning of Kelim there are 10 steps of Kedusha between Eretz Hakodesh and Kodesh HaKodashim.
We (including the Kohen Gadol) are expected to live most of our lives within the lower levels.
“and a kollel person”
I hope you are lying.
I cannot believe that a serious Lakewood Torah learner posts as shmendrick.
A man who messes things up, always loses and feels miserable. An unfortunate. Closely related to Schlemazel and Schlemiell….
If you do any learning change your posting name!!!
lebidik yankel, The approach you bring down will help one to see the forest. With normal learning one can be so focused on the details that he cannot see the big picture.December 17, 2012 6:00 am at 6:00 am in reply to: The Weberman Trial By 5TJT Staff (this brought tears to my eyes) #913493
A big part of that is having respect for laws of the land, such as requirements that psychologists be licensed.
“It is an Ir Hatorah”
It was an Ir Hatorah before people who waste their time in the Coffee room moved there.
Living in the Kodesh Hakadoshim requires requires a much higher standard. Most people actually need the down time in the CR or other Kosher diversions.
Most people should realize that their living in the Kodesh Hakadoshim will dilute the intense Kedusha, and not move there.