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So it’s the “Where are we safer?” debate again and Joseph and others argue the bodycount way and declare Israel the loser. Two problems: first, they don’t use data to back their tally. Fact; in goyish year 2018, 12 Israelis hy’d lost their lives to terrorism. This is from the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center. Second, that unfortunate count is 12 out of more than six million. Let’s assume that no Jews lost their lives to terrorism in 2018. So it’s 12 to 0. But another fact: For an individual living among a population of millions, the count of 12, or of 0, or the difference between the two, is statistically meaningless. Jews are not in measurable danger of death by terrorism in either location, or really anywhere.
So it’s the “where are we safer” debate again and Joseph and others argue the bodycount way and declare Israel the loser. Two problems: first, they don’t use data to back their tally. Fact; in goyish year 2018, 12 Israelis hy’d lost their lives to terrorism. This is from the Meir Amit Terrorism and Intelligence Information Center. Second, that unfortunate count is 12 out of more than six million. Let’s assume that no Jews lost their lives to terrorism in 2018. So it’s 12 to 0. But another fact: For an individual living among a population of millions, the count of 12, or of 0, or the difference between the two, is statistically meaningless. Jews are not in measurable danger of death by terrorism in either location, or really anywhere.
During a very fast minyan at Shomrei Shabbos one Monday morning, I found myself doing the leining in my normal Eretz Yisrael speed. After Kohen, a man nudged me and said, “Unless you speed up, no one here will have time for breakfast.” You bet I sped up and finished the davening with huge respect. Why? because every man there could have davened yehidut and enjoyed a leisurely breakfast, but didn’t.January 21, 2019 11:13 am at 11:13 am in reply to: Freezer-Burnt: Most boys unprepared for dating or married life. #1665413
Daas Yochid and Joseph, the opening of the freezer and the discharging of “100’s of boys [to] begin searching for their zivvug” (Haimy, above) is emphatically a human-engineered phenomenon. It’s followed by the human engineering of mediators (shadchanim, parents) by whose exclusive offices “boys” and “girls” can search for their zivvug. I get the impression that the mediation has been more and more exacting as the years pass, as evidenced in the invention of the “shidduch resume” and so on — even as (or maybe because) the eligible population is growing. And again: I do not mean by all this to “attack” the Chareidim, since it’s all evident (at least partly) in my society too.January 21, 2019 10:12 am at 10:12 am in reply to: Freezer-Burnt: Most boys unprepared for dating or married life. #1665360
I am far from the milieu described above, but not so far to notice something weird: A community that professes absolute faith in G-d’s management of the world is committing itself to rising levels of human engineering (e.g., the “freezer”) to introduce “boys” and “girls” (elsewhere known as young adults) to each other. I get the feeling that as the population becomes larger and larger, the individual’s options are getting narrower and narrower. Some of this is also happening in my Israeli national-religious environment, and thirty-six years into my successful marriage I wonder if I’d be matched with anyone today.January 13, 2019 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm in reply to: Should Jews Move To Eretz Yisroel In 2020 Or 2024? #1661569
Yserbius123, who guarantees us anything in life? Has Mashiah come?
Wyoming is no solution for an American-national frum Jew. It is a solution for 10,000 of them, with proper organization. Best of all is Eretz Yisrael.
For those who liken Trump’s wall to Israel’s because Israel’s wall “works,” fuhgeddaboudit. First, Israel’s wall is not a wall for most of its length, and in some parts it hasn’t been built at all. Even along the Gaza Strip, it’s basically a fence. Second, Israel has extensive freedom of action on the other side of its wall, as America doesn’t. Third, Israel’s wall does not keep out tens of thousands (I’m being conservative) of Arabs who do DDD jobs in Israel. There are multiple ways of avoiding it.
The Warsaw ghetto uprising began on erev Pessah. Those who set Yom HaShoah as they did realized that all of Pessah had to pass first and chose a date that falls in the week following Hag Sheni.August 3, 2017 11:33 am at 11:33 am in reply to: “There is no solution” to the Israel conflict: Jared Kushner #1331514
But of course there’s a solution. With each passing year, Israel grows in population, wealth, and cohesion. Yeah, I said cohesion. Everyone in Israel is Israeli today, including chareidim and, for the most part, Arabs. Now look at the other side: “nations” crumbling so badly that one can only conclude that they weren’t nations to begin with. A generation ago, the country faced real armies. Today, it faces terrorists who cry “we’ve won” whenever they succeed in claiming one victim r”l. It reminds me of the transition from the defeat at Horma to the victory over the Canaanite (Amalekite?) king in which the enemy managed to take one prisoner. מאת ד’ היתה זאת and it should be נפלאת בעינינוJune 18, 2017 10:55 am at 10:55 am in reply to: Who as here [Israel] first Jews or the Palestinians? #1298468
The notion of a Palestinian Arab national identity became possible in 1916, when Sykes and Picot separated the southern sanjaks from the rest of the former Ottoman Syrian vilayet (=E.I). This separated the Arabs in the southern areas (“Southern Syria”) from their erstwhile capital, Damascus. That’s not to say that they became a Palestinian Arab national group. Evidence: the Mufti chaired the Arab Higher Committee, not the Palestinian one, and the 1947 UN partition plan and its related literature spoke only of Arab and Jewish states, never a Palestinian one. The Palestinian national consciousness is more recent than that and more recent than R. Gafni’s birth.
Abba_S, Advil is an anti-inflammatory in addition to being a pain reliever.
kj chusid lets his ideology mask several facts. First, the largest and fastest-growing “settlements” in JS are haredi. Rav Shach’s death opened the floodgates. Second, hasidic groups preceding these localities by establishing Emmanuel, which failed due to its developers’ corruption and not due to safety concerns. Finally, the which-is-safer debate is fallacious. Central Mongolia is safer than all the places mentioned but no yidn are rushing there.
Both sides are wrong. The Australian outback is the safest place on earth. Let’s all run there. And if things get rough there, let’s try the high plains of Paraguay. Then upper Saskatchewan. Then Catalina Island. Then…
DaasYochid, I ask that the State of Israel be referred to by its name. Leave it to the Arabs and the antisemites to choke on that expression and call the state “Zionism” or “the Zionists,” as if it were an ideology that happens to have an air force.
DaasYochid, I love Eretz Yisroel. Should this thread therefore be renamed “Is Eretz Yisroel still the yetzer hora?”
I find it upsetting that commenters cannot bring themselves to say “Israel” or “the State of Israel,” instead falling back on “Zionism” or “the Zionists.” It matches word-for-word the practice of Israel’s mortal enemies (who are your enemies too). Am I alone in noticing this and reacting?
I propose a psak: Anyone who says “Jews wake up!” must explain what the awakening should be composed of. Make tshuva? We beseech Hashem for the ability three times a day. Reverse the new mabul-on-the-way? Please explain how. Etc.
Agav, Naftush-2 is really Naftush-1; I floundered around for my password until the system gave up, so I started over.