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“Are you makpid never to Jaywalk? “
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the answer is yes I am makpid not to jaywalk. I am a real straight arrow, and it drives my family crazy. I don’t speed, I don’t go through red lights, I come to a full stop at a stop sign, I give back the change when I am overpaid by a cashier, and so forth. I am not a tzadeikes, but I try not to make a chillul Hashem. especially in the eys of the secular world.
My question about being makpid is that some people will choose what miztvos they want tobe absolutely “makpid” to fulfill, when it has an element of the forbidden in it. SO if there seems to be a mitzvah of drinking on Purim, by all that’s holy they are GOING TO FULFILL THAT MITZVAH to the nth degree!!!!!!!!!! Are they such chassidim to giving tzedaka, getting to the minyan on time, not talking during davening,being respectful to their parents, as they are to making sure they get that drink on Purim????
I once had a very liberated (Reform, I think) married Jewish woman tell me arrogantly how insulting it was that women were not counted in a minyan or couldn’t get an aliyah at the omud. My response to her was very short and sweet. I asked her if she bensched licht on Friday night, if and when she baked bread if she took off challah and made a bracha (when necessary), and if she went to the mikveh every month? She looked at me like I was from Mars. I explained to her that there were specific mitzvahs that were given to women to fulfill, and if she could not be bothered to fulfill the ones she WAS commanded to do, why one arth was she complaining about the ones she was NOT commanded to do?
It seems so odd to me for someone to be so worried about fulfilling the ad d’lo yada “mitzvah” unless he is equally committed to and actually fulfilling the mitzvos that we are chayav in for the REST of the year. I tend to feel that Hashem is probably less concerned with one’s wild celebration of something that did not even take place in E”Y, than He is with our not causing a chillul in the eyes of the goyim and possibly breaking some of the Aseres Hadibros because some of us are too drunk to care what they are doing. JMO.
oomisParticipantAZ, I will never believe that a shadchan without fail deserves to be paid for a shidduch that did go through. Unless it goes through it is not a shidduch – it is merely an attempted shidduch. I don’t pay a broker who ALMOST sells my house, no matter how hard he or she worked on the sale, and any commission-based employment is the same. You didn’t close the deal, you don’t get paid. If you feel that is unfair (and based on what you write, that is so), then have the written understanding BEFORE making a shidduch, that after a certain number of dates, a predetermined specific amount of money is to be paid, whether or not it goes to the chuppah. I am sure that will cut down on the number of people who continue to date when they are not “sure” if they really want to, after the first three dates. Money always talks.
oomisParticipant“HOW COME ALL YOU NAY SAYERS THINK YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE CHACHAMIM IN THE GEMARA ANd dont tell me todays differant. thats what the reform say. ask your rav what to do and if he thinks your at risk of over doing maybe he will tell you not to. but as of now lets keep it status quoe and follow what were told “
Lavdavka, as long as you are as dedicated to doing the other mitzvos as strongly you are to this
“one” I have no problem. DO you give kibud av v’eim, keep Shabbos,kashrus, and all mitzvos bein adam l’chaveiro to the same degree as you do getting drunk on Purim? If so, go for it, but for the sake of all pedestrians and other drivers, stay out of your car.
“When everyones drinking it’s hard to stop underaged kids frum getting it.if rabbi so and so is drinking why can’t I?”
Peerimsameach – just substitute the expression “doing drugs” for “drinking” in your sentence, and you will see how incredibly wrong you are. Peer pressure will always be around. The idea is NOT to do something just ebcause everyone else is, if it’s wrong. Getting that drunk is worse than wrong. It is dangerous, and potentially life-threatening to the drinker and to others, and can cause a great Ch”H just by the drinker’s behavior being observed by other people.
Nathan21,The only thing that you wrote that was correct is that you do not know me from a hole int he wall. I have to tell you that you implied something terribly offensive. First of all, I am not overprotective of my kids. My husband and I taught them to behave responsibly, and have 5 adult children all of whom are exceptional young men and women. We are Machmir Modern Orthodox (to put a label on something, which I hate to label), so all of your assumptions are based on nothing concrete.
My sons (though not my daughters) do drink a bit on Purim, but a) they watch their alcohol intake, b) eat sufficient food along with the drink c) space the drinks and d) DO NOT EVER DRIVE, even though they rarely drink more than two drinks in a particular span of time (enough for the alcohol to be absorbed). NONE of my kids ever went off the derech, and that implication that “overprotectiveness” (as you see it)somehow causes that as a fait accompli, is insulting. It is far more likely that kids go off the derech when their parents do NOT care about them or get involved with them. When kids come home to empty houses after school and have a lot of free time on their hands with no real supervision, that is when they get into trouble. NOT when their parents teach them how to be responsible. I believe things are good in moderation, though underage kids should never be drinking because dina d’malchusah dina and it is against the law. My children are all,as I stated adults, over 21, so they can drink what they want, and they do so with maturity. Would you call a parent overprotective for teaching their child not to speed when driving?
oomisParticipantTo say that it is a klalah to earn a living is very different from saying that Hashem gave a klalah to mankind and as a RESULT of that curse, they will forever have to work hard to earn their bread. Work is not the klalah. The NECESSITY to work is. There is a fine line of distinction between the two. Hashem’s original bracha was for Adam to tend the land in Gan Eden, but the food would literally come forth with little effort on his part. As a result of the first aveira in history, that food would now come forth only after a CONSIDERABLE effort. It’s like fishing where the fish are literally jumping into your net one after another, versus standing there with a pole in the hot sun for hours and hours with few bites on the line.
What is a real curse, is for kids to believe that they are entitled to have their parents totally support them when they are grown adults, just as when they were children. If their parents had had the same attitude, they would not even have the opportunity to expect that support, because the parents themselves would have no means of support. And who will support the generation born to those children who are not earning their own parnassah, when THAT NEXT generation reaches adulthood? The amount of money made by yungerleit is not conducive to supporting the next group of yungerleit.
There should not be an either/or mentality of learning versus working. BOTH should be done together, part of each day. Shabbos is a day when the learning can be more extensive. The rest of the week, people have to man up and pull their own weight in life. Yeshivahs also need to stop blinding our kids to the importance of earning while learning. Working is not a necessary evil. It is an important tool for teaching our kids the value of an honest buck,the satisfaction that comes fromearning a paycheck and putting it in the bank, and that money doesn’t grow on trees. Maybe when they have to earn their own way, they will appreciate what their parents did for them a lot more.
oomisParticipantI think that parents and R”Y need to get together and insist that the rebbeim start teaching the boys a different form of ad d’lo yada.
oomisParticipantCherrybim, you make an excellent point, one which I had not even considered. Where are these phony liberals who have persistence and hang on like pit bulls on behalf of every choleriah drug addicted murderer and rapist in town, but cannot muster up the graciousness to defend one of their own?
oomisParticipant“I went out on a date once with a guy and we ended up talking about Purim costumes… when he proceeded to tell me that his friend had dressed up on Purim as – a toilet seat!! I was seriously”
Was he flush with success? (Don’t answer me – Keep a lid on it)
February 16, 2010 2:41 am at 2:41 am in reply to: Dressing up as a Nun, Munk,or Santa Claus for Purim #927296oomisParticipantPeer, I wouldn’t do it. MAke fun of A”Z all you want, but maybe it’s not the best thing to dress in “their” clothing. It especially is offensive to a non-Jew to see a Jew do that.
oomisParticipantAries, your posts just keep getting better and better. You should write a column.
oomisParticipantad d’lo yada is a nebulous term. It might simply mean that one is more loopy than usual. As I said my Rov says it is sufficient to be buzzed or feeling sleepy. If you would have a person sit in front of a driving simulator after two drinks, they would probably fail the simulated test, as their reaction time would be skewed, along with their judgment. THAT is what ad d’lo yada implies. Too many people use that “mitzvah” as an excuse to get stoned. Would that they were as dedicated to the observance of the mitzvos of honesty and chessed.
oomisParticipant“The ladies by wanting to be equal with men- did indeed take a second curse upon themselves”
Realtalk: What Jewish women who are frum, ehrliche, and b’nos Yisroel, ever said they wanted to be EQUAL with men? Women may want to be treated with the kovod and appreciation that they deserve for the responsibilities which they so admirably take upon themselves, but equality (as we understand it in today’s terms) is a non-Jewish concept.
Aries: I totally agree with everything you said, with the very slight exception about the LSATS. Most boys who sit and learn do NOT take the LSATS or go to law school. It would take too much time away from Torah for them. And even more of them do NOT make the plan that you mention, and you are right – they should.
oomisParticipantTheir own Yeshivah, Tomchei Shabbos, Hatzolah, to name a few.
oomisParticipantWhatever the doctor on TV said, ibuprofen is well known to have irritative tendencies on the gastric lining. Useless advice is fine to be posted here but not dangerous advice…80
oomisParticipant” when it is time to hand over the reigns of support and there should be a plan in place when that moment comes or when the time comes that parents can no longer continue support or must shift the support to the next couple in line.”
And yet, how is he supposed to do that if he went straight from Yeshivah here to Yeshivah in E”Y and then to Beis Medrash when he got married?When did he train for parnassah in the future? Not everyone can be a maggid shiur, and not everyone is cut out to teach in elementary school. Neither are all those jobs readily available, even if the boy WERE able to do it. So what then becomes his wonderful plan to support his family?
oomisParticipantIt depends on what she is dressed as. Tzniusdig clothing can be in constume form.
oomisParticipantTake a couple of ADVIL before going to bed on Megillah night, and make asure to be well-hydrated with Powerade. The best cure is prevention, however/ Don’t drink so much that you will get a hangover.
oomisParticipantGOOD CHODESH EVERYONE!!!!!!
oomisParticipantJandW22 – I totally agree.
oomisParticipantMy Rov says to drink wine only until one has a “buzz” or gets a bit sleepy, but not to get smashed, as that leads to chillul Hashem and potentially to accidents.
oomisParticipantA storeowner may charge whatever he sees fit, regardless of who it is that is paying thie bill upfront, and who is charging. If the customer is unhappy with this arrangement (the backs of the paying customers idea), then that customer is free to take his business to a less expensive store. There are many less expensive stores around.
oomisParticipantJphone – yasher Koach. Your answer was better than mine. Short and sweet.
oomisParticipantMy son got to a third date (the shadchan was actually his friend and a friend of the girl). The girl had already decided NOT to go forward in the relationship, but she went out with him anyway, and she told him the next day that she had decided the previous night not to go out again if he were to ask her. Had a shadchan set them up professionally, I would not have felt it warranted compensation. The third date is not always a “third date,” but more of an easing into the mode of saying no to a fourth date, because some girls are not able to figure out how to handle the decision not to go out, so they go one more time, putting off the inevitable, because it’s uncomfortable.
oomisParticipantPeople have a chiyuv to give shalach manos to someone. That does not mean they have to give it to 50 someones. They are yotzai the mitzvah ish l’rayahu, by giving two items that are ready to eat as is. The cards really are more in keeping with matanos l’evyonim than mishloach manos, as they go to tzedaka. So the question is, are they yotzai on the matanos l’evyonim with these cards, or must they physically give tzedaka besides that to two poor people?
oomisParticipant“[this was a curse]and the more someone works, the more “curse” they are bringing on themselves”
WOW!Would you mind showing me the source for the last part of your sentence? Are you implying that the Torah feels it brings a bracha on one who remains idle (versus getting a curse for working)? Or is it perhaps a curse on WOMEN to do the work, while their husbands learn? Does that mean Hashem cursed women with TWO curses? I think people have to be very careful with making statements such as the one you made. And I would like to explore the source of your comment, to understand it better. Perhaps we can both learn something new. My understanding was also that Hashem specifically told Klal Yisroel that following the Torah would result in a bountiful harvest for them. Doesn’t SOMEBODY have to do all that harvesting? So which is it, a bracha or a chalilah NOT a bracha?
oomisParticipantYou wrote so eloquently. I sent an e-mail to the governor, but ICOT, your words were more compelling than mine. I hope he listens. The thing is, had I not known it was a Jewish man who committed the killing, I probably would be a hypocrite and feel he deserves what he gets. That disturbs me on so many levels, but I do wish the death penalty were applied more frequently to those who have deliberately and without question, violently taken someone’s life.
oomisParticipantNo one should stop anyone from getting married, neither should anyone pressure someone to get married at a too-young age. What is right for one girl or boy, is not right for the next. The subtle and sometimes not-so-subtle pressure of making a girl at age 23 feel like an old maid, is abhorrent. If at 23 she is washed up, what is she at 25 and 30?
oomisParticipantnameless, though the intent of this apocryphal story is clear, and teaches a TRULY nice piece of mussar, I doubt such a thing ever happened. First of all, it is probably illegal to even MENTION religion in a job interview (in the context in which it was stated, and possibly illegal to even ask someone if he is Jewish), and no intelligent CEO would refuse to hire a competent person because he was not “loyal” to his religion. If that same boss wanted him to work on Shabbos, he would get very upset when the employee started to explain why he couldn’t do so. And a boss who would extrapolate from the desire to appear neat for a job interview, that a person’s future loyalty to a company would be questionable, is just ridiculous and should not be in a position of authority. More important – is one even allowed to arrange for an interview of this type during the Nine Days?
oomisParticipantThank you Az for clearing that up – I really did misunderstand what you wrote, though to be fair to me, I think you could have worded it a little more clearly. When you write that “Girls 23 and older should date like they are 4 yrs older then they are. Anything u would go for at 27 go for at 23… ” it sounded as though you were asking 23 year old girls to consider themselves as if they were 27, and therefore date guys appropriate for a 27 year old. Given your age-issue, it made no sense to me.
oomisParticipantVery inspiring stories.
oomisParticipantAZ, this is the last response I plan to make (bli neder) regarding the age issue. A girl who is 23 does NOT belong with a guy who is 8 years older, most of the time. So to tell her that at age 23 she should date guys as if she were four years older, is not only ludicrous, but poor judgment. Most 23 year old girls would be inappropriate for a man of 30 or more, while a 27 year old girl, would probably do VERY well with a guy that age. So unless I seriously misread what you wrote (it could happen), or YOU seriously miswrote, I could not disagree with you more.
oomisParticipantLet me know when we are on the same madreiga as the Avos and Emahos, not to mention our grandparents, so we can talk about it.
oomisParticipantShev, I am delighted you liked the sesame chicken, but are you referring to my stir fry which included some sesame oil and toasted sesame seeds, or to someone else’s recipe for sesame chicken? There were two of us who posted recipes with sesame seeds, and I would like for credit to go where it is due, in case you meant the other poster’s recipe.
oomisParticipantbored – you are actually well-named for my suggestion. Why don’t you simply take a round ball of dough and using your finger BORE a hole through the center and stretch it slightly. You will have a perfect shape and perfect bagel hole.
oomisParticipant“Girls 23 and older should date like they are 4 yrs older then they are. Anything u would go for at 27 go for at 23. That will make sure u don’t hit 27. “
UNBELIEVABLE. That is all I will say.
oomisParticipantI am concerned that alcohol might damage the dresser. Try a little on a cotton swab in an inconspicuous place. I would ask a furniture store if they had a recommendation for this. I had another thought just this second – have you tried a Mr. Clean Magic Eraser? Try using it, again, on an inconspicuous area, to make sure it does not harm the finish of the furniture. I have used it to clean my walls from all sorts of stains, successfully.
oomisParticipant“plaid and oomis1105: It’s nice to know there are some other “dinosaurs” here who have heard of the song. “
Just call me T-Rex. BTW, though I have heard the song, I was not yet born when it was popular (at least I do not THINK so). I was a 50s baby.
oomisParticipantPoster, the “craze” of chiropractic has been around for many, many, MANY decades. Chiropractors ARE doctors, they are doctors of chiropractic medicine. The medical establishment has no respect for the hard work and courses of study that chiropractors must do, in order to become licensed in their field and earn the title of Dr. They do the same anatomy, physiology, biology course that are given in med school, as well as study nutrition, vitamins, etc. and receive extensive training in both spinal manipulation and the use of modalities in addition to hands-on spinal adjustments. I personally have never experienced acupuncture, but if it alleviates pain in someone, with no need for drugs, I am all for it. There is plenty of room for all types of beneficial therapy INCLUDING conventional medicine.
I am not taking Jose or anyone else personally, because they do not know what they are talking about, and that’s ok, there are many times that I express an opinion and do not necessarily know what I am talking about, either, because I am misinformed.
oomisParticipantI also thought that was the first line.
oomisParticipant” so that if they ever need to they can get a job “
In today’s economy, unfortunately, that doesn’t always guarantee employment. personally, I would never allow a child of mine to get married unless he had a job already, or she was marrying someone who had a job. The nebulous future “if they ever need a job” might shock them to discover that there IS NO JOB out there. So IMO, they should be ensuring that they can take care of their business, before adding another person’s life into that equation, by making certain they are already employed.
I also believe that being able to learn at will is a wonderful thing. But we are not living in a society that leaves that as a practical option for most of us. Parnassah has to come from somewhere. I know, I know, it’s from Hashem, but you know what, Hashem is the one who said, “B’zyas apecha tochal lechem” and He did not say “b’zayas apei avichem tochlu lechem,” for the future generations. Clearly His intention was for us to earn our keep AND learn and follow the Torah. If we did not earn a living, we would be unable to keep MANY of the 613 Mitzvos, as so many of them relate to farming, raising sheep and cattle, giving tzedaka (from what money, if we are not earning any?), and so forth. So many halachos relate to business practices, that it simply cannot be that Hashem does not expect us to put these laws to use in some way. And if we are not prepared to earn any living, there is no absolute certainty that we are in dire need of such, that we will find a job falling from thin air, just because that’s what we need.
oomisParticipant” You decided to recommend that BP Totty see a chiropractor for a serious case of scoliosis which is clearly inappropriate”
No, if you rer-read what I posted you will see that I CLEARLY opined that BPT should consult with BOTH a chiro AND another orthopedist or even two more if necessary, and btw,chiropractic has been shown to be EXTREMELY effective in some types of scoliosis problems, though probably not in this particular case would it be recommended. I am sorry that you may have had some bad experiences with chiropractors, either you or family members. But the funny things is when a MEDICAL doc’s help proves valueless or does not fix the problem, no one go screaming that people should not go to medical docstors. Traditionally the opposite view has been widely held in regard to going to chiropractors. There are good and bad practicioners in every field. There are surgeons with talented hands and there are butchers (ever see a really bad nose job?). There are excellent chiropractors and there are people who should not be practicing in the field. That is all I am saying. A responsible and honest chiropractor will tell his or her patient when the patient needs more traditional medical intervention. But more often than not, they can help where an orthopedist cannot. There is room for both, is all I am saying.
February 7, 2010 5:42 am at 5:42 am in reply to: Chofetz Chaim: It's not just a Yeshiva. It's a way of life. #989135oomisParticipantSJSinNYC, when someone calls me (often during dinnertime) and tries to browbeat me, I politely say, “thank you for your call,” and hang up. Doing a job or not, they are entering YOUR home with the phone call, and if they cannot be polite, they can take a hike.
oomisParticipantFirst of all,in my humble opinion one should NOT ever get into a debate about it. If your intention is to explain to someone why you feel it is the lifestyle you want to choose for yourself, fine. But if you are trying to “talk someone into or out of it,” for themselves, I wouldn’t do it. There is only ONE reason why someone should marry a learning boy and that is that the girl WANTS to embrace the lifestyle that the kollel life entails.
oomisParticipantThank you, Bemused, for your reply. The funny thing is I re-thought what I posted originally, and what you read was the “calmer” version. I have spent my entire life listening to unknowledgeable people put down chiropractors, and as I said, I come from a family of them. It was hurtful hearing ignorance being spouted all those years, particularly when my father and other relatives in the field gave so much of themselves to be healers.
My dad never told a patient to avoid traditional medical care (the biggest canard spreasd by the AMA is that chiropractors denounce traditional medicine and boast that THEY can cure anything). He always advised people to seek medical attention and ALSO go for chiropractic treatment where indicated. When he knew someone had tremendous medical bills and no insurance, he either treated him for free or for a greatly reduced fee. There were people who came to me when I sat shiva for him, who were total strangers to me, but wanted to tell me how they painfully hobbled into his office bent over and walked out like menschen. Truly,with Hashem guiding his hands, he was literally “zokeif kefufim.”
Chiropractic treatments cannot help in ALL situations, to be sure, and severe scoliosis is probably one of them, but neither does conventional medicine always have the answers or prove to be efficacious for all conditions. The idea is to try to be openminded.
oomisParticipantTupim, for the record, you have NO idea which, if any, of us has a background, expertise, or education in medicine.
Jose, while severe scoliosis should absolutely be treated by those who are trained to do so, a very mild scoliosis DOES respond to good chiropractic care, and it is very clear you do not have too much experience with good chiropractors if you think that it what they do is a big toe pinch and a massage. I come from a long line of chiropractors, and that remark was extremely inaccurate.
My late father O”H, knew more about the workings of the spine and its connection to other conditions of the body than most medical doctors. With Hashem’s help, he was able to give measurable and often permanent pain relief (sometimes without being paid) to patients who had not been helped by endless trips to orthopedists,or by shots and medications. His spinal manipulations (not MASSAGES), were based on sound physiology and anatomy, which he studied for several years in chiropractic school, comparably to going to medical school. If the chiropractors with whom you are acquainted only pinch big toes and give massages, then they are probably quacks.
oomisParticipantHow do you know when sour cream goes bad?
oomisParticipantEsther, how ARE you feeling? You have been through so much this past year, but you always have an upbeat and positive attitude, and I truly admire you for it. But it cannot have been easy at times to keep that positive vibe going, and I can only hope it has strengthened you to know that total “strangers” daven for your complete refuah.
oomisParticipantIf you can afford to send him, I think it’s a wonderful experience, if they go to the right place for THAT CHILD. My son had an amazing 2 years in a Yeshivah that was perfect for him. The experience also helped him to grow in other ways, socially, independently, in his relationship with his rebbie, and in his appreciation for everything we did to enable him to go to learn there for those two years. He came back even more of a mensch than he already was, and we were already pretty happy with him before he left. E”Y learning is not for everyone, and everyone is not for learning in E”Y. Know your child.
oomisParticipantI agree with yank, that a good chiropractor should also be consulted. If, however, the curve is serious (I have no idea what constitutes “serious” scoliosis), then ANOTHER topnotch orthopedist should also be consulted for his or her second opinion, and a third doc, as well, if necessary. Spinal surgery is nothing to sneeze at, especially for a child. I wish your son a refuah shelaima, so he should not require any invasive intervention.
oomisParticipantrealtalk, this sounds like a story about the girl Ahuva (I forget the last name) who became a giyoress?
oomisParticipant“And boys prefer girls who can support them already,i.e. have their masters.”
And in my circles it is vice versa. Girls prefer boys who can support THEM already, i.e., have decent jobs earning a sufficient parnassah so that the girls can raise their own children who will no doubt, B”EH, come quickly, without having to leave them with a
possibly not even Jewish nanny or housekeeper (which costs a lot of money from that paycheck the girls might make, with or without a masters). It is amazing how opposite these hashkafos are within the frum community.
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