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  • in reply to: How to dress for davening? #918746
    simcha613
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    “I am guessing that you are a baal teshuva.”

    Aren’t we all? 🙂

    in reply to: Fascinating Torah trivia #920997
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    R.T. that question exists even without the targum. A Cohen can’t remarry his divorced wife even if she didn’t marry someone in between.

    in reply to: How do you actually forgive someone? #917560
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    I agree with the Goq. It’s like if someone stole $100 from you and then asks for forgiveness but refuses to give the money back.

    in reply to: How to get rid of an eyin-horah? #968294
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    zahavasdad- well according to R’ Schachter, sheidim has nothing to do with ayin hara.

    in reply to: How to get rid of an eyin-horah? #968283
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    R’ Schachter from YU understands the concept of ayin hara in a much more rational way. He explains based on the pesukim that talk about if someone takes advantage of a widow or an orphan and they pray to G-d, then G-d will avenge them. I think Rashi asked why is it necessary for them to pray for G-d to act with justice? Rashi explains that G-d will punish the sinner anyways, but he is quicker to respond when there is tefilah.

    Based on this, R’ Schachter explains that an ayin hara is simply a tefilah that someone shouldn’t have something. For example, if a person sees someone who has a nice house and complains (even in his heart) that he doesn’t think this person deserves that house, then if he truly doesn’t deserve the house, Hashem will take it away. It could be that Hashem was going to give this person time to “earn” the house, but He is quick to respond to tefilah. However, if the person truly deserves the house, then no amount of tefilah or ayin hara can take that away from him.

    Based on this, the way to get rid of an ayin hara is to do teshuvah, daven, and learn Torah.

    in reply to: WAKE UP!! Our Yeshivas & Schools Are Open To The Public!! #913742
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    For those who so ready to slash Rebbe’s salaries for more security, why don’t you suggest raising tuition instead? It’s okay for a Rebbe to sacrifice money for security but not the parents?

    in reply to: MINYAN NEEDED #909889
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    There’s also a Mincha at around shkiah at the Einstein Shul (1925 Eastchester Road, 10461)

    in reply to: "The Ethicist" in The New York Times #908673
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    I saw one a few weeks ago that really bothered me. A person wrote that she was reading a sports book that she thought her nephew would appreciate so she gave him a copy. She hadn’t finished the book yet, and as she continued reading she came to a story of an athlete who was in a same gender relationship. Knowing that her nephew comes from a religious family and that his parents would not approve, she felt guilty that she gave him the book. She asked if she should tell his parents about the book.

    The response was that censorship is usually unacceptable. She should not feel guilty and she should not tell the parents because the child should be free to explore new ideas without interference from his parents. In fact, the ethicist writes, it’s probably a good idea to lechatchilah expose him to areas that his parents would otherwise censor and again, there is no reason to feel guilty that she accidentally exposed him to new ideas.

    in reply to: Turkey Dinner Tonight? #1195737
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    According to some turkey is assur year round. I think we paskin that we do not rely on simanim for the kashrus of birds, but rather we rely on Mesorah. Since turkey is not native to Europe, there was never a Mesorah for the kashrus of turkey. I guess this is similar to why many people don’t wear techeiles.

    in reply to: Separate seating at Weddings #1038007
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    PBA- one benefit of mixed seating is if man is invited to a chasuna of a friend and his wife won’t know anyone there, or vice versa. In such a situation either the wife wouldn’t go, or she would be stuck with people she doesn’t know. If the husband would want to go with his wife to such a wedding, mixed seating would make it a lot easier for her.

    in reply to: Separate seating at Weddings #1037971
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    I’m not sure if this has properly been addressed, but what is the halachic difference between dancing and walking? IMHO, it seems that the outer circle on the women’s side is very similar to the outer circle on the men’s side, in other words, walking around in a circle. That’s dancing? Why? Because there’s music? There’s a beat? No one is jumping up and down on the outside circle. No one is running. No one is doing wedding shtik and shaking wildly. Everyone is just walking around in a circle to music. And anything within the outer circle can’t really be seen.

    What is the halachic definition of dancing that is assur for men to watch women doing?

    in reply to: Chazal and science #923836
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    Sam- I know what the Rambam said, but I’m sure that there are exceptions even according to his shittah. There’s a machlokes if the words Kodesh Lashem were on one line on the Tzitz or on two lines. There is a machlokes where the broken luchos were in the Aron Haeidus (I think the machlokes is if it was actually inside the Aron next to the non-broken luchos or in a separate compartment on the side). This must be a machlokes due to the breakdown of Mesorah. I can think of no other explanation.

    in reply to: Chazal and science #923829
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    Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Somestimes there is a machlokes Amora’im about R’ Gamliel said. R’ Gamliel only said one thing. Sometimes they argue on what did certain keilim in the Beis Hamikdash look like (like what was written on the Tzitz or where the broken luchos were by the Aron Haeidus). While I agree with you that that’s true in many cases, I don’t think it’s all cases.

    in reply to: Difficult questions about grandparents #899668
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    This is getting a bit off topic, please start a new topic called “definition of frum.” For all those who answered my question- thank you so much. I just wanted to comment on one of the answers I saw by funnybone-

    ” I believe that it’s okay to tell children that grandma and grandpa aren’t as religious as we are. You can explain why you feel religion is important and that you live in a community where you and your children can have friends with similar religious values. Grandma and grandpa grew up in a different environment, went to different schools, didn’t have such a great community etc., but cared very much that their children should be more religious than them.”

    When I say I don’t want to give an answer that makes the grandparents look like resha’im, it’s not only because I want the children to respect them (which is also very important). It’s also because, to put it bluntly, kids have big mouths. And things you say to the kids about grandparents may end up getting back to them. I wouldn’t want the grandparents to be insulted by things that are said to the kids. Implying that the grandparents aren’t so religious, when they think they are, may be hurtful to them, even if you could say it in a way that the children understand.

    in reply to: Chazal and science #923827
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    Bubka- you did not answer my question. My question is, how does it make sense that they knew science better than Torah? In the world of Torah there are machloksim for various reasons. But in the world of science, there was no machlokes? They get Halachah from the Torah, and science from the Torah, yet they argue about Halachah and they agree about science? Chazal were better at extracting science from the Torah than Halachah?

    in reply to: Kashas on the Parsha #1169243
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    What’s pshat with the rakia separating the upper waters and the lower waters? Poshut pshat and the way Rashi seems to understand it is that the lower waters are the oceans and rivers and the upper waters is this (presumably floating) storehouse of water in the sky which is where rain comes from. From a scientific perspective this is not true. There is no storehouse of water in the sky. Rain is recycled from the oceans via the clouds. I’m okay with Rashi being incorrect about science, but how else can we understand this passage in the Torah?

    in reply to: shaving during Chol Hamoed #898846
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    I thought about it more, and it seems that the takanah, if I may say, is a bit outdated. I am not saying that’s a reason to stop listening to it, we have to listen to takanos Chazal even the reason no longer applies, but here is my logic.

    In the days of Chazal, most people probably had beards and even those who shaved probably didn’t shave so often. I wouldn’t be surprised if people shaved (or trimmed) every 4 to 6 weeks. Chazal were afraid that people would push off their monthly shave to Chol Hamoed which would be disrespectful to Yom Tov, and therefore forbade it. In addition, since people shaved once a month, it wasn’t really disrespectful to enter the second days with a weeks worth of stubble.

    Nowadays however many people shave every day, at the very least for Shabbos, so it’s unlikely that people would push off their shave to Chol Hamoed. In addition, since people shave so often, it is disrespectful to enter the second days with a weeks worth of stubble.

    Like I said, we have to listen to takanos even if the reason no longer applies (unless you want to argue that being machmir in this issue is actually being meikil in kavod Yom Tov), but I am rather sure that if Chazal were around nowadays, they wouldn’t have made this takanah.

    in reply to: conservatives vs. liberals #898649
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    I never said it’s too much and I don’t think it’s a bad thing. I agree with the conservative approach. When I said more regulations I meant more than the liberals. Which, as I pointed out, is ironic because liberals want more regulations in economic issues.

    in reply to: shaving during Chol Hamoed #898840
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    For the record, I never said that a person who follows halachah is a slob. I never said an aveil or a person who doesn’t shave during Chol Hamoed is a slob. I said that a person who doesn’t shave, whether it’s because of halachah or any other reason, looks like a slob which I equate with looking unkempt or messy. I didn’t meant to characterize followers of halachah as slobs or lazy people. I meant that sometimes halachah requires us to look messy and it bothers me that we are supposed to look messy for the second days of Yom Tov (and Shabbos Chol Hamoed) when it seems antithetical to the concept of kavod Shabbos and kavod Yom Tov.

    in reply to: shaving during Chol Hamoed #898829
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    bubka- Just because someone is following halachah doesn’t mean that they can’t look like a slob. An aveil looks like a slob even though he is following halachah. 30 days without shaving makes one look like a slob. In addition, 6 days without shaving makes men look like slobs. Just because one is following halachah doesn’t change that reality. Most men (who don’t have beards) would not go to work with that messy stubble. Most of those same men wouldn’t enter Shabbos with that messy stubble. We aren’t supposed to shave during Chol HaMoed so people do not enter the first days with that messy stubble. So we enter the last days with that messy stubble making us look like slobs. Following halachah may be the right thing to do, but that doesn’t change the fact that 6 days without shaving is a slobby and messy look.

    in reply to: Is White Collar Crime An Aveirah? #897485
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    poppa bar abba- I don’t know the topic so well, but wouldn’t dina demalchusa dina apply even if every single detail of a law doesn’t make sense? Wouldn’t that make every white collar illegal act assur even if we can’t fit it in to the halachic lo tignov/lo tigzol?

    in reply to: cheese #897225
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    147- I have heard shittos that said that the S”A meant pas Yisroel specifically. He didn’t mean every single chumra. And even though chalav stam that was kosher didn’t exist back then, it’s unclear if he would have extended that minhag to chalav yisroel and chalav stam.

    in reply to: Satmar Rav on rice #896709
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    I’m assuming MORIS was being sarcastic, because out of all the words he could have used to argue with Sam, I feel that narrow minded is not the correct one. I don’t think Sam was being narrow minded.

    in reply to: women working #894437
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    gavra- don’t know where that Gemara is, would love to see it, but it is possible “so that her husband can learn Torah” is not the same thing as “so that her husband can learn Torah full time.” It’s possible that Gemara is talking about a situation where the husband would have no time to learn if the wife wouldn’t help out financially.

    in reply to: women working #894432
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    iced- it seems that there are two reasons that a woman should be at home and not working. 1. she is the best person to raise her children and if she is not at home to raise them, then they will struggle. 2. kol kevudah bas melech penimah- it’s not really so tznius for a woman to out in the workforce.

    Why would learning in Kollel be a “worthy tradeoff” to allow her to work if it is detrimental to her children, and forces her to compromise on tzniyus?

    in reply to: Zionism argument #894186
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    Correct me if I’m wrong but I think this is an accurate summary of the arguements:

    Argument 1 for Zionism- Having a Jewish run government in Eretz Yisroel is the beginning of the final geulah.

    Argument 2 for Zionism- Since the founding of the medinah, there is been more Jews and Torah in Eretz Yisroel since around the destruction of the 2nd Beis Mikdash and we owe the medinah our hakaras hatov and support.

    Argument 1 against Zionism- It is assur to have a Jewish run government in Eretz Yisroel until Mashiach comes. We are in golus and it is not our place to decide when it ends.

    Argument 2 against Zionsim- Most of the government is not religious and some of the government is even anti religious. The government of Israel has an agenda to create a secular state in Israel and is prejudiced against Charedim and Frum Jews. We should not support such a government.

    in reply to: Disinheriting an OTD Child #893440
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    Ravhamachshir- I have heard that mehalech, but I’ve heard the other perspective as well. I think I remember hearing R’ Paysach Krohn say that the fact that Yitzchak Avinu had an OTD son in Eisav shows that even the best parents can have OTD children. It’s not always in the parent’s control and sometimes the best eitzah is tefilah.

    in reply to: Its time to address this important question: #891264
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    There is one basic difference between the Yeshivish/Charedi world and Modern Orthodoxy. The difference between the two has nothing to do with being meikil or machmir in halachah or interperting halachah to conform with secular society. It happens to be that many people who claim to be Modern Orthodox are more meikil in an effort to be more like modern society, but that’s not real Modern Orthodoxy. That’s an unfortunate result of what true Modern Orthodoxy was meant to be.

    Basically everyone agrees that there are positive and negative things about secular society. The Charedi/Yeshivish world believes that the negative aspects of secular society are too great and therefore we should shut ourselves out to secular society unless it is absolutely necessary. Modern Orthodoxy believes that there is tremendous positive that exists in secular society and we should try our best to take advantage of those positives while keeping away from the negatives. Basically, an ideal Modern Orthox Jew is as shomer Halacha as a Charedi, values Torah as much as a Charedi, but feels a greater involvement in the secular world is a positive thing.

    In terms of leaders- I guess the main leaders are the Roshei Yeshiva of YU like R’ Schachter and R’ Willig. Though, to be honest, while the Charedi world in general aren’t machshiv the Rabbanim of the Modern Orthodox world, the ideal Modern Orthodox Jews have tremendous respect and are influenced greatly by the Charedi Gedolim like R’ Elyashiv zatzal and R’ Kanievsky shlita. For example, in YU and many other Modern Orthodox yeshivos and shuls, there were hespedim this year for R’ Scheinberg zatzal, R’ Elyashiv zatzal and R’ Nosson Tzvi zatzal. I am not sure if the main Rabbanim of YU would get that same respect in a Charedi or Yeshivish yeshiva or shul.

    in reply to: Married Women Learning Daf Yomi? #1028153
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    Helath I already responded to your “teiretz” over there.

    See the topic called –

    “Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron”!

    in reply to: Words from an ex IDF solider for Yom HaZikaron #1163274
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    Health- I don’t think that’s what the S”A meant. The Rama is clear that a woman is obligated to learn the practical things. The S”A however opens up that they get sechar for learning, but they don’t get as much sechar as a man because they aren’t obligated to do it! Obviously he is not talking about the practical areas, because they are obligated to learn those things and would get the same sechar as a man! The S”A meant she gets sechar for those areas of Torah where she isn’t obligated to learn like the non practical areas of Torah Sheba’al Peh, but it’s not allowed to be taught to her. How do we reconcile these two statements? I stand by what I said before. It can’t be imposed on women in general but a woman who is lishmah can learn and will receive sechar.

    in reply to: Married Women Learning Daf Yomi? #1028133
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    Health and Choppy- why would they receive reward for doing something that is clearly assur? Can you give me another example of something that is clearly assur but the violater actually receives reward instead of punishment? If the Shulchan Aruch doesn’t want women to learn, why would the Shulchan Aruch tell us that they receive sechar for doing it (this is the first line in that halachah that Health conveniently forgot to quote)?

    in reply to: Chukas Hagoyim #886753
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    I heard a shiur a long time ago, so I don’t remember who said what- but I think it’s a machlokes- is it something that the Goyim do that’s based on something idolatrous? Or is it anything that the Goyim do that wouldn’t have been done in a shielded Jewish community? Nafka minos could be a male wearing a wedding ring or a momenet of silence after a tragedy. I think we (at least Ashkenazim) paskin like the former.

    in reply to: Rav Yisroel Lau will be the guest speaker at the siyum Hashas #887661
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    What about the effects of such a move? Maybe the Vishnitzer Rav is not guilty of sinas chinam because he is fighting against a position that he disagrees with, not the person. He “hates” Zionism, not R’ Lau. But this move will definitely cause MO’s and Dati Le’umi’s to hate that chassisuds… and possibly all chassidus. This move might accidentaly send the message to the Chassidim to hate Zionists. If this move isn’t sinas chinam, it will definitely cause sinas chinam.

    in reply to: Better to Wear a Hat for Davening at Home than to Daven with a Minyan #886066
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    Lichorah he is only talking about Minchah and Ma’ariv during the week. No one wears a hat during Shacharis with their Talis and Tefilin. And on Shabbos, I think the Ramban says that davening with a minyan is D’Oraysa on Shabbos, so I find it hard to believe that R’ Chaim would say to be mevatel a D’Oraysa (according to some Rishonim) to wear a hat (especially since most married men don’t wear a hat during Shacharis with their tallis).

    in reply to: Would you choose army or kollel? #886985
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    For the record, in this weeks Parshah, Hashem told Moshe to take “anashim” for the army and Rashi explains this to mean the tzadikim. Who are these tzadikim? Are they not the people who would normally sit in Kollel?

    in reply to: Would you choose army or kollel? #886963
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    Use your brain- Unfortunately, the people who you are referring to, I assume the chilonim, don’t have respect for Torah, and some possibly are disgusted by . It’s a sad state, but it seems that’s the reality. The reason they choose the army, and not the “easy way out” of Kollel as I put it, is because they have too much self respect to do something that they don’t value just to get out of the army.

    I was asking more theoretically like if the EY needs more soldiers than the Chiloni and Dati communities can provide, and Charedim were needed to serve but they have an “out” by choosing to learn, who would choose army over kollel if kollel is more valuable and less risky? Or, iyH when EY is run by a frum government, and all (if not most) of its citizens are shomrei Torah uMitzvos, and there needs to be an army but anyone can get out of the army by choosing to learn, who would choose to serve? What incentive exists to fight?

    I am not looking for answers like “if the country is frum, then we won’t need an army” or “then Mashiach will come and there will be no more wars” because I’m not sure if that’s true. I don’t know what the times of Mashiach will be like, and I’m not convinced that Mashiach will automatically come if there is a frum government. I am also not convinced that if EY is a frum state that we wouldn’t need an army as many societies in Tanach (like the Dor HaMidbar and the generation of Dovid HaMelech) who were presumably halachic and still needed an army.

    in reply to: Would you choose army or kollel? #886902
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    choppy- while I understand your logic, I can also understand why the Chilonim are upset with that logic. Whether it’s their fault or not, they don’t understand the value of Torah. Therefore, they can’t understand why some people get to dodge their national responsibility by learning Torah. I am not upset with Plesener or any other secular Jew who would rather see Chareidim in the army than in the Beis Medrash. They don’t understand the value of Torah, and we haven’t done a good job showing it to them. Why should they allow Charedim to do something that is in their eyes not so valuable, while their own children are risking their lives on the battlefield?

    in reply to: Would you choose army or kollel? #886900
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    golfer- I agree that serving in the army is more valuable in that regard than working. My point is, is that if a person needs a parnassah, he will choose to work. If he doesn’t need as much parnassah, and he wants to focus his time on more valuable endeavors, and he has a choice between sitting and learning or going to the army, what incentives are there to choose the army? As I said before, learning is much less risk and as much (if not more) reward. And if our nation needs soldiers, and it’s an individual’s choice to choose either the army or the Beis Medrash, where will our nation get soldiers?

    in reply to: Would you choose army or kollel? #886890
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    golfer- the difference between the question of army vs. kollel and earning a living vs. kollel is that earning living has a clear advantage over kollel- you make money. You give yourself a greater chance based on derech hateva to earn a parnassah to support your family. By learning in kollel, you are sacrificing that. Therefore, it is understandable why a person who doesn’t want to spend his life learning full time, or he doesn’t feel like he is cut out for it would choose earning a living over learning in Kollel. There are benefits and sacrifices on each side.

    My question was that it doesn’t seem like there is any advantage to serving in the army over kollel. You live in worse conditions, your life is in danger, and you are doing less of a service for Klal Yisroel. Practically, even though they are both necessary, why would a person choose to go to the army over kollel? What incentives exist for him?

    in reply to: Would you choose army or kollel? #886882
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    So, again, if the prevalent opinion is that sitting in Kollel is at least as valuable as going to the army if not even more valuable (and I do believe it is more valuable), why would a person choose to risk his life and go to the army, when he could be of more help sitting in safe Kollel? Who will fight on the front lines for us?

    OR should the community do something to regulate those sitting in Kollel, either by doing something to make Kollel less appealing for those who aren’t truly genuine (like by making long hours like having night seder go very late, have strict attendance policies, small stipends, uncomfortable living quarters, difficult examinations, etc…) or by simply having an acceptance policy and only accept those who are truly genuine into the kollel forcing everyone else to go to the army?

    in reply to: Would you choose army or kollel? #886875
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    yummy- I never said they were both equal. I said you need both. Even the dor hamidbar needed soldiers.

    in reply to: Gedolim #883687
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    R’ Yosef Dov Soloveichik and the Brisker Rav

    in reply to: 4th of July vs yom haatzmaut #943947
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    kfb- The Land of Israel is inherently holy and it is our homeland. Some people show hakaras hatov to the State of Israel because since the founding of the State, there have been more Jews and Torah in EY since around the time of the destruction of the second Beis HaMikdash. They show this hakaras hatov by celebrating the day the State of Israel was founded.

    Also, you can’t compare the ability to go to France with the ability to go to Israel. Israel is our homeland, France is not.

    in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881146
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    S”A 235:3- Lechatchila one must say Krias Shema at Tzeis (M”B- because of zrizin makdimin leMitzvos) and its zman is until Chatozs (M”B- and if you say it later then you are violating the words of the Chachamim) but if you violated this and delayed past chatzos, then you are yotzei as long as you say it before Alos (M”B- that’s if you did it on purpose but if you were oneis you can even be yotzei if you say it before Neitz).

    in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881137
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    There is a website called myzmanim that gives you all the times. Basically, you must say Krias Shema after Tzeis HaKochavim (when the stars come out). The minhag is is that this is 42 minutes after shkiah- sunset (that’s an hour after candle lighting on Erev Shabbos- though in reality Tzeis is probably earlier). You also must say Krias Shema before Chatzos (midnight… but the halachic midnight, it’s not always 12 AM). Assuming you did all that, then you should also say Krias Shema before you go to sleep however late it is (presumably until Also HaShachar- dawn). If you forgot to say Krias Shema before Chatzos, say it as soon as you remember, don’t wait until you go to sleep. Then you could say Krias Shema again before you go to sleep.

    in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881133
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    You must say Krias Shema before Chatzos. Assuming you did that already (by davening Ma’ariv after Tzeis, or if you davened Ma’ariv at shkiah then by repeating Krias Shema some time after Tzeis), then you can say Krias Shma al Hamitah as late as you want until I assume Alos HaShachar.

    in reply to: Frum women doctors #880911
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    I think men need to ask their LOR before deciding to become an OBGYN. Some of the things that a male OBGYN would have to do would be completely assur for the average male, more so than any other medical field. A male who wants to go into that field probably has to ask a halachic shaila if his particular situation warrants going into that field. Obviously, an OBGYN himself is not violating those issurim, but there would probably have to be a good reason to put oneself in that situation.

    in reply to: PRENUPTUALS in FRUM circles??! #879329
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    For those who don’t accept the pre-nup- how can we protect women from men who want more than a Beis Din or secular court are willing to give them, and will not give their wife a get in order to get what they want?

    in reply to: PRENUPTUALS in FRUM circles??! #879322
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    Feif- at the same time, Beis Hillel and Beis Shamai also had competent poskim and they didn’t rely on each other. Maybe mamzerim is a more chamur din than dishwashers, but until we have a Sanhedrin, if R’ Elyashiv truly believes the RCA pre-nup is a get me’useh, I don’t see how his followers could rely on R’ Schachter and marry a woman who was divorced with it.

    in reply to: PRENUPTUALS in FRUM circles??! #879321
    simcha613
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    Tomche- easier said than done. You have to look at the other side too. If you look through Chazal, you see the tremendous concern they had for agunos, and how they sometimes “cut corners” to protect them. The answer to the issue is not to ignore pre-nups, because unfortunately there are men who take advantage of the system and are willing to make women agunos for their own benefit. If according to major poskim that prenups do not create a get meuseh, and they protect women from becoming agunos, that also has to be taken into account. I don’t know the answer- safek mamzerim vs. agunos, but it’s not that simple.

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