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Yes. They absolutely should go out and vote Do you think their time is more precious than say Rav Moshe Feinstein who even when he barely left his house anymore , went by wheelchair to vote?
>>>Is the strict opinion always the better opinion?
If it was halacha would follow Beis Shamai.
>>>Is being Meikil inherently worse?
Being meikal about what and why? Not always is being machmir the right thing in a specific situation but as the old joke goes: A guy who was always meikal and always found rabbis to give him hetterim dies. They take him to a room with a bench, a rickety shtender, a Shas and a cup of hot tea. “Where am I? “ he asks “Gan Eden” they answer “Do you know how many rabbi would tell you that being in a room with a gemorah where you can just learn undisturbed is Gan Eden? “
>>>I don’t understand Zeldin. I just checked his record and it is anti-abortion and anti-gay, why did he take a gay running mate?
He didn’t take him The NYS lieutenant governor nominee is elected independently of the governor nominee.
>>>With all these Jewish endorsements for zeldin if Hochul wins the election expect her to hit us hard
Based on her behavior in office I expect her to hit us hard even if we do support her.
Even in the PRO Hochul ads in the frum publications she does not commit herself to doing anything that will benefit the frum community after the election.
>>>The very definition of a tzadik is someone is not a beinoni. Someone who is never mesiach days from the Hashem (at least according to the best of his abilities).
Where is that definition coming form? A tzadik is not a benoni the same way a cohen is not a Yisroel
but that isn’t the very definition.The Rambam Hilchos Teshuva 3:1 says
כָּל אֶחָד וְאֶחָד מִבְּנֵי הָאָדָם יֵשׁ לוֹ זְכֻיּוֹת וַעֲוֹנוֹת. מִי שֶׁזְּכֻיּוֹתָיו יְתֵרוֹת עַל עֲוֹנוֹתָיו
צַדִּיק. וּמִי שֶׁעֲוֹנוֹתָיו יְתֵרוֹת עַל זְכֻיּוֹתָיו רָשָׁע.
מֶחֱצָה לְמֶחֱצָה בֵּינוֹנִיI’m unwilling to say that the typical person who is Shomer Torah U’Mitzvos does not have more zcuyos than aveiros and therefore meets the Rambam’s criteria of being called a Tzadik.
Without giving any boich svoras why are you so sure otherwise?
It’s very unlikely that a frum person who got married in 1770 and had ten children like Meyer Amschel Rothschild did has no frum descendants at all but from his five sons who went into banking it is safe to say that none of their descendants are frum. Therefore if he has he has frum descendants they would be from his other five children who have no money .
Of interesting note the only major Rothschild scion to have been killed by the Nazis during the holocaust for being Jewish wasn’t actually Jewish. Élisabeth de Rothschild was a Catholic woman who married Philippe de Rothschild. (she officially converted)
A few points
(1)Although the Yetzer Horah for toevah is real for those who struggle with it, I question how many people were really born with that Yetzer Horah versus how many people have it as an “acquired taste” Yetzer Horah that comes from living in a society that borders on looking up to those engaged in such behavior and treat them as a sacred cow. I don’t trust research on this subject because I don’t believe it is conducted impartially.
(2)Once people do have that Yetzer Horah there are no easy answers about what to do. A LGBT that is like (it’s safe to say L’havdil Elf Havdolas) a Chevra Shemiras Haloson or a macshom L’fi whose members don’t deny being nichsol in Loshon Hora is in fact a wonderful thing. How can anyone not support a group that exists for the sole purpose of fighting a Yetzer Horah? No matter what that Yetzer Horah is.
(3) This group is not going to be that type of club. Even if (best case scenario) it will have some elements of it. I oppose it vehemently BUT end of the day you can’t wish this problem away. There are people who are convinced they have this Yetzer Horah and are convinced it is something they were born with that can’t be changed. They are not going to listen to anyone who hostilely tells them otherwise. What are your words of wisdom for them? What should be done for and about them?
>>>But is it possible to say Every yid is a big tzaddik?
In the literal sense that some seem to be taking it , no.
In the actual sense that it us being said that we regard every who tries to be an erlicher yid as a big Tzadik (at least in some areas) then yes it is can be regarded as a true statement
>>>Is that the meaning of the passuk “V’ameich Kulam Tzadikim”
The actual posuk in Yeshya is a part of a nevua that seems to be referring to after the coming of Mosiach. Being that it is frequently quoted in relation to todays time, it needs to be stressed that the posuk says V’ameich meaning those who are acting in a manner that makes them a part of Am Hashem.
Questioning whether a candidate has the mental or physical strength for office it totally OK. Mocking them for their apparent lack of it Is totally not OK. But mocking them for ANYTHING is not OK. Why pick on health? Calling Trump supporters “cultists” is also not OK. Etc.
>>>I’m not voting for anyone. I’m not voting for Zeldin because he has an immoral running mate. I do not vote for those who support immorality.
So who DO you vote for? Almost every democrat supports giving people who engage in that type of behavior supreme right that marginalize those of everyone else. Zeldin’s running mate may be guilty of such behavior but pushing it on others is not part of her agenda. And lieutenant governor of NYS is an independently elected position
>>>I will not vote for the intermarried Jew who has a lesbian running made.
Is that an ironclad policy of yours or only when the the intermarried Jew is a Republican?
Did you also vote against Chuck Schumer and Spitzer all those other intermarried Jews when they ran as Democrats? (Schumer claims his wife converted but I’m sure it was not an halachic conversion)
What is a pause button but you get older? What is being paused? What is happening during that pause?
A fast forward button but you stay the same age is taking a major gamble. Could be things will be significantly better or worse in the future and you just threw yourself into it. Could be things will have changed so much that when you get out of your fast forward you won’t know how to navigate the current situation.
>>>Amazing how right before Rosh Hashana that people are finding ways to support using destitute people for a political stunt.
Piece of personal advice for you. Keep your political views out of your preparation for Rosh Hashana.
To quote the famous writer who was frum personally but primarily wrote for for non-Jewish readers, Herman Wouk “In a non-orthodox synagogue the rabbis sermon is a digest of whatever is being pushed on the op ed pages of the liberal publications with some vague and distorted references to Torah thrown in .” Don’t follow that example.I see both points of view on immigration and not very anti immigration per se but this time the hypocrisy on the liberal side is just overboard. You can not support illegal immigration and complain when immigrants are dumped off on you. You cannot expect others to just accommodate immigrants where and when they show up but then complain when they expect you to do the same . Particularly when the others who you are expecting to accommodate immigrants, unlike you, oppose immigration.
I’m not so anti-immigration. I’m just opposed to the hypocrisy here. The Republicans seem to be giving a perfect solution to the immigration debate. They are saying “We oppose immigration-you support it so we will facilitate the immigrants way to your state if they come to ours” What better and more bipartisan solution to the debate where everyone gets what they want can there possibly be? But still the Democrats complain. Not only do they complain, they complain with the exact same talking points used by those opposed to illegal immigration like “we don’t have the resources to deal with this” … “illegal immigrants just show up and expect us to deal with them” etc.
>>> quite a few people today go to queens college and landers for learning because the YU tuition is very high.
YU is not so tough on tuition . I know someone who registered in YU but then backed out because of their tuition costs. They basically told that in that case he only has to pay for room and board which was cheaper than Landers where he ended up going .
Landers does have an evening program separate from their learning program but they will not allow you to join their learning program and attend Queens college in the afternoon. I’m sure those who go to Queens college don’t come out better than had they been in YU.
>>>what does it mean that all these colleges are “affiliated”, “under umbrella”!?If you are creating a brand name and then use it for marketing, you should be applying some standard. Otherwise, it is gnevas daas.
Anyone seriously considering going to YU knows the difference between RIETS, the undergraduate school and the graduate schools. No frum student enrolled in say Cardoza law thinks he is going to Yeshiva. No non-Jew enrolled in say Cardoza law is there because of it’s affiliation with Yeshiva University.
It is not easy to gain recognized accreditation as a college. Were all the schools to break up and apply for separate accreditation some of them would cease to exist. The results would be more YU grads going OTD in completely secular colleges. And Sorah Schnierer and other yeshivish graduate programs who are accredited through places like Wurzweiller closing down too
>>> No graduate school is obliged to have or fund or acknowledge or provide any accommodations to ANY club.
There is no group in America that is more aggressive and demanding of validation from others than the toevah crowd. Say YU would close all graduate school clubs , the toevah crowd would anyway organize and proselytize in their graduate schools as a non officially recognized club and take them to court over any efforts to stop them . Given the sacred status the toevah crowd has in liberal society they would probably win. So what would they gain?
It’s looks like Touro is following YUs lead (like they frequently do) and took their affiliation with Toevah groups off their website but go on Wikipedia and type in “Touro University Rainbow Health Coalition” if you want more details of how those groups operate in Touro’s graduate schools and how Touro also buckled under pressure from those groups. Cardoza and Wurzweiler etc. do not claim to be a Yeshiva or anything other than a secular college under the umbrella auspices of YU. They are no
more affiliated with the YU undergraduate program or RIETS than Touro law is affiliated with Landers in Queens>>>The better question is why didn’t YU shut down all their clubs at their graduate schools over the last 25 years
They would have to close their graduate schools down altogether to do so. Their graduate schools are secular schools that accommodate frum students. There probably isn’t even any legal option to classify a graduate school that primarily teaches secular subjects and only gives secular degrees as a religious school. The Touro graduate schools also have toeva clubs. I even found explicit reference to them on Touro’s own website. No one says a word about that either.
>>>I see frum Lawyers, Doctors, Judges even cops who wear a yalmulka
Depends on the point in time. Fifty years you would not have seen that
>>>Those above arguing to equivocate cheating to get government money (which is wrong, of course), with allowing a pride club, is a fallacious argument .
Right. You can easily argue that a mosod cheating is worse. YU in itself does not support the toeva club. They are being bullied by it to allow the baaley toeva to act. A mosod that cheats is personally doing it
Mixed.
There is no way they could have known when they amended their charter from religious to educational that this would have been the outcome but they should have realized that there would be consequences from doing so.
I certainly don’t their amending their charter from religious to educational as worse than a mosod that bends the rules for government funds. Not that all or most mosdos do ch’v but no reason to single out YU in this regard.
As far as the old complaints about YU graduate schools law having toeva groups, Touro law also very clearly gives their affiliation with toeva groups on their website and no one says a word. Realistically speaking there is a limit how much you can fight the supreme rights that liberals have given toeva groups which allows them to marginalize the rights of everyone else. If you vote for pro toeva candidates you are not much more innocent than YU
No point in discussing how to change old schools. Won’t happen because of talk. Talk about how to start new schools that align with what you want. That is far more likely to happen. Particularly if you are willing to do the work and put up the money
Charles Tyrwhitt would be a good way to go if they had front pockets for pens and CC cards like most other white shirts do. Paul Fredrick raised their prices like crazy but you can still check your old emails from prior purchases for coupon codes on future purchases. They give off 20-25% and free shipping. Most will still work
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I think I’m pretty consistent in saying that (1) with all Trump’s many faults his adversaries frequently (usually?) are not the good guys, the honest guys, or the people who care about the best interests of the US in the many conflicts they start with him or (2) all the false accusations and investigations into Trump do not absolve him from the things that he has done that were wrong (3) both sides are lying to you (4) with all the screaming “cultist” and other such insults at Trump supporters it seems to me that at least in CR it is Trump’s opponents who seem to hold a much stronger grip on those who side with them than Trump does.
Had someone started a thread similar to this one expressing such terror of Joe Biden and Democrats (who other than being born with a better personality isn’t someone I think of as being morally superior to Trump) I would have said the same comment.
>>> Refusing to step down from the presidency is big news and it is dangerous path.
And so is making up trying to get rid of the president by making up stories about Russian collusion interference in elections and making up fake documents like The Steele Dossier.
I’m 100% confident that the prospects of the Democrats doing that again doesn’t frighten you in the slightest. So don’t worry about Trump either. Based on his age and health he won’t be active in politics in five years from now (though the Democrats will probably still be using his as a bogey man and scapegoats) The people involved in the Russian collusion story still will be.
>>> just thinking of this dangerous moron makes my blood boil…..
By reading your posts on the topic I was able to tell even without you telling us …
I’m not going to debate your perception and beliefs about Trump but I will give you one piece of advice coming from Rav Avigdor Miller ztzl
If you want peace of mind don’t read the newspapers. They are going to tell you that hooligans are running wild in frum neighborhoods. They are going to tell that if this politician gets elected the world will come to an end. They are going to fill your minds with all sorts of serious sounding problems that you otherwise never would have heard of but now you can do nothing about…
That was over forty years ago when newspapers still had some standards. Today the media and even more so the social media are just straight fear mongering and manipulation to those who take them seriously. So DON’T take them seriously . Not even what even they tell you about Trump…
Google it and it isn’t hard to find. Kosher Fresser even started a petition on Change.Org that Paskez should start remaking them and got over 1800 signatures
>>>To the best of knowlege the last major talmud chocom in goverment service was Rav Meir Shapiro and he was in the Semp, not CR
The Reise Rav (Rabbi Aharon Lewin) and Rav Alexander Zusia Friedman (author of the Meyaneh Shel Torah) Hashem Yinkom Domom were among the Agudah elected members of the Sejm after him
The Ponivitcher Rov was also a member of the Lithuanian parliament after that.
As far as chief rabbis go: Rabbi Yehuda Levin, chief rabbi of Moscow (died 1970) was also a major a Talmid Chochom, a close chaver of Rav Yaakov Kamenstsky from when they learned together in Slobadka.
Given his position he also did controversial things. His life and success as chief rabbi depended his acting like a Soviet Union propagandist and claiming that the Jews are NOT being persecuted there.
When he came to the US in 1968 secular Jewish groups hounded and heckled him . It was the lhavdil elef havdolas Gedoley Torah like Rav Moshe and Rav Yaakov who stood by him and apparently agreed with him that it is worth saying Soviet propaganda in exchange for maintaining some semblance of Jewish life in Russia such as shul activities and matzoh-baking etc.
When he spoke at secular venues there was open jeering at him because of the Soviet propaganda about the treatment of Jews there that he had to say . When he spoke at the Sefardsher shul in Boro Park Rav Yaakov Kamenstsky introduced him with the highest amount of respect talking about how we are about hear from the most chosuv alumni of Slabodka etc.(although he did hint that you have to understand that Rabbi Levin is speaking in code) The crowd which included many Talemdey Chachomim listened to him and accorded the highest respect .Even the streets around the shul were packed with police and police barricades to prevent the mob of people who wanted to meet him and hear from him.
>>>Smerel, are you engaging in “the ends justifies the means”?
No but for Pikuach nefesh purposes one can certainly enter a church. Believing that a breakdown in diplomacy can cause Pikuach Nefesh that allows one to enter a church is not so outrageous of a svorah. As above I don’t know if it is true but I heard from semi reliable sources that Rav Shlomo Zalman Aurbach told Israeli diplomats that if there is no other time they can work on Shabbos preparing statements for MAJOR diplomatic events (unrelated to clear and present danger) due to the danger in them failing to do so. One thing is certain in the case of Rabbi Hertz the svora absolutely proved itself given his ability to save Jews during WWII.
>>>R. Hertz saved jews during the war, but it doesn’t make his use of bible critics “when they’re right” any less wrong
It does however make people like Rabbi Sacks have a much stronger argument that they are allowed to enter a church for a civic function when invited by the king or queen.
Do you think that had Rabbi Hertz (who was also criticized in the 1920s for attending such a event) snubbed those invitations and expectations he would been in as much of a position to save Jews during WWII?
>>>Would Chief Rabbis have authority in their own right, without being poskim?!
No. A government appointed official is no more of an authority on Halacha than any yungerman who went through the sugyos. If even that. Unless of course he is independently a Talmid Chochom
It is very rare however that a government appointed rabbi is also a respected Talmid Chochom in areas of halacha. When was the last time you heard anyone mention a psak halacha from the chief rabbis of France, South Africa, England, Iran or Morocco?
On the other hand not dealing with their situations there is no way you are in the position to mach avek their behavior in a situation where there is definitely room for them to do so.
(Rabbi Herz mentioning bible critics is completely independent of his being chief rabbi of England. I was also told that he himself told people not to learn his commentary on chumash. He just felt that a time when bible critics held so much sway and influence a commentary on chumash written for a secular audience can’t ignore them. I disagree but that is not a England specific question like this is)
>>>I love how the terms darchei sholom and mipnei aivah are thrown around haphazardly.
And what are you dong with this comment? Giving the gedorim on when darchei sholom and mipnei aivah do and don’t apply and expanding it the what you believe the halacha to be in this situation? Or just making a haphazard comment?
If you want to explain things like (1)the isser of going into a church (doyraysa, d’rabonon, by which religions, when there if ever there are hetterim, (2)darchei sholom and mipnei aivah etc. I’m all ears. But please give maarje mokomos and no boich svoras
I don’t know if I’m not a Talmid Chocom like Chief Shemerel (I guess that is why he is a Chief and I’m just Smerel) but he seems correct. As far as I know the policy of the Chief Rabbi and London Beth Din is to enter a church only if the Queen (now king) commands. Invitations to coronations, royal weddings and funerals have the status of such royal commands.
Rabbi Sacks was not the first British chief rabbi to attend such events. When asked why he did so he said:
“For at least 150 years, British chief rabbis have attended such functions. In America you don’t have something like this. In Britain – because we have a queen and an established church – when there is a state occasion, the Jewish community is represented by its religious head. That is a civic act, not a religious act. Every chief rabbi has always attended a national service, even if it was in a church, as a civic representative of the Jewish community loyal to the head of state. This falls under the halachic categories of mipnei darchei shalom and mipnei eivah. ”Of course there are exceptions and rules Rabbi Saks himself did not attend Diana’s funeral because it was on Shabbos (not because it was in a church) and his predecessor did not attend the church part of the Charles-Diana wedding (it was enough of a ceremony for him to find other places and time to show up)
There are plenty of boich svoras I can say and “rayos” I can bring either way so I’ll stop here and say that it isn’t so simple. Different poskim will rule differently on what is Pikuach Nefesh for Yom Kipper and Shabbos. So too for this question. Those who believes that participation in government ceremonies when they are expecting you to is a form of communal life-saving activity have what to rely on . I was told by semi reliable sources that Rav Shlomo Zalman Aurbach told that to Israeli diplomats . I was also told by semi reliable sources that the mayors of Lakewood NJ got a hetter from the Lakewood poskim to attend the funerals of Lakewood policemen killed in the line of duty in Lakewood even thought those funeral took place in a church (don’t know if either of them are true)
It’s amazing how blind the Biden supporters are to how full of hate they are and how wrong Trump’s opponents frequently can be with their behavior against Trump (as obligatory when making such a comment let me be clear I’m NOT a Trump supporter -so you don’t to start sneering “cultist” and all the other obnoxious comments I get for daring to not follow the DNC party line on Trump)
Like over 50% of Americans in general and two thirds of all neutral independent voters I agree it was a hatful speech designed to cause damage
If Biden had anything other than malevolent intentions with this speech he would have struck a conciliatory tone and said something like “those who believe” “were misled by Trump” should reflect on the danger of their view. blah…blah… blah…It would certainly have more of an effect than the actual effect which was that ninety percent of all Republicans, Trump supporter or not, looked at it as an atack and dangerous rhetoric. People rarely change their mind because of viscous ataks but by Biden and co that is such second nature to them that they forgot how to talk differently
Biden and co are clearly looking to cause conflicts and fights because they believe it will help them in the next election. No previous president – not even Trump – would have attacked those who have a different political ideology AS A GROUP as viscously Biden does. Biden’s repeated efforts to do so are super inflammatory. They also run the risk of turning into a self fulfilling prophesy. Which is what Biden is hoping for to help the Democrats in the elections.
>>>YU has no problem attacking a gadol, but if someone says something against R’ Shechter or R’ Soloveichik there is no room for compromise.
The type of YU people who support and identify with the toevah crowd would have no problem saying something against R’ Shechter or R’ Soloveichik either if it suits their purposes. And it is only when it suits their purposes that they have issue with anyone else doing so as well.
>>>Also, could you imagine RIETS being under the umbrella of the Mennonites?
No comparison. The umbrella YU organization is not under the control of the toevah crowd. Nor will it ever be.
The toeava crowd is demanding supreme rights that marginalize those of everyone else in YU like they do everywhere else. Being that in the liberal world the toevah crowd is their sacred cow they have the right to make such demands on secular groups. Question is if YU is included in such secular groups. Even if they will ch’v be successful the situation will remain the same. YU is being strong-armed and bullied by the toevah crowd who is acting on their initiative in YU. It is not something YU is doing or supporting.
>>>Rabbi Yeruchem Gorelick ZT’L was asked what induced him to go work in YU. He said (in Yiddish), “Rabbi JB Soloveichik convinced me that the future of Torah in America depends on YU.” Then he slapped his head, as if to say “What was I thinking?”
So why didn’t he pick himself up and go? He needed parnossa? That is exactly how YU justifies being classified as a secular institution and got themselves into this mess. How was he different than them?
Years ago I used to think that if the Chareidi mosdos were faced with the same dilemma as YU they would stand strong. Today I no longer do. Faced with the dilemmas that YU is facing of (1) needing funding but compromising on values and or (2)Trying to reach as many people as possible to teach Torah but knowing that doing so will also cause a compromise in values many, many Chareidi mosdos (by no means all!!!) would act similarly to YU.
The above is not an endorsement of YU or it’s haksafa in general. I’m just saying that in this specific question it’s not so simple that YU is doing the wrong thing or that it’s critics are so different from what Chazal say that “A thief who doesn’t have what to steal also takes pride in his honesty”
(If you are on government programs but bending the rules don’t come with tainos on YU for what they are doing to get funding)
המקום ינחם אתכם בתוך שאר אבילי ציון וירושלים
>>>Whatever it was, nobody observed any increase in anti-semitism on campus after that anti-Semite visit.
Did you think one visit would cause one? Even (particularly ) the most liberal colleges ban speakers who they don’t agree with their political views.
But lets take a more simple and comparable example to a single speech. Would you be OK with the American Nazi Party forming groups on college campuses all across America
>>> I don’t understand what heter there is after the clubs began 22 years ago. Rabbi shechter, Rabbi Willig, and Rav Aharon Kahn should have left
While you can’t understand they of course do…
Why do they need a hetter to continue to teach someone because some toeava people are strong-arming the school?
YU probably wouldn’t hire a Rosh Yeshiva who has no college level secular education but if they did they would have no problem getting resumes from some of the most Yeshivish places…
>>>One should consider whether any private university that received direct and indirect (e.g. student loans, tax exemptions, etc.) is allowed to ban an organization whose advocacy it disapproves of. Could YU ban a “friends of cheeseburgers” club?
YU isn’t looking to ban clubs and the toeva crowd did not sue them for attempting to do so. The toeva crowd sued them for not allowing any school facilities to be used for their meetings and not allowing them to PROMOTE or advertise their clubs existence on school property or use any other type of school resources. YU lost the case due to the sacred status given to toeva people by liberal groups.
Even from a totally secular perspective YU seems correct.
Say you have a (non-Jewish) college. There is frat group that does little other than smoking, drinking beer and partying all night. The school is unhappy with it’s existence and decides to treat it the same way YU wants to treat the toeva clubs. Even from a totally secular perspective shouldn’t they have that right?
Or say you have a group of religious people who made a secular college. There are a group of students who want them to make the school to actively promote beliefs and behavior that are antithetical to their religion (as opposed to just ignoring the students engaged in it) Shouldn’t freedom of religion allow them to refuse to PROMOTE that group?
>>>Another is that we don’t know his intentions; why exactly did the Yemenite jews need help? Because they were poorer than Jews in tel aviv?
According to all neutral versions of history they needed because the Jews in Yemen were facing a difficult time. Over 80 Jews were killed in the 1947 Aden riots and many Jewish owned houses were destroyed, In 1948 there was an accusation that the Jewish community in Sa’ana had murdered two Muslim girls so all the community leaders were imprisoned. etc
Without going into the debates on the subject and even assuming the Zionist version of history is pure revisionisms, ask yourself the following question. Do you think that in the span of just one year over 95% of the Yemenite Jewish community (about 50,000 people) just picked themselves up and abandoned their homes and communities and country they had lived in for over 2,500 years to start a new life in a new country because a few (very , very few to be exact) Zionist representatives showed up and convinced them to move to Israel ? Or was there some other factors behind that decision?
To answer indirectly the advice I wish I would received if shared here would probably be harmful to most of those reading it .
You have to live your own life and not base things on what is true for others. But that is such a vague statement that it should be of little help to anyone
No way Trump is going to jail. It doesn’t suit the Democrats purposes. If Trump were in jail (1)The Democrats would not him as the bogey man to revolve their whole party agenda around anymore and (2)it would galvanize Republican and independent voters who hate Trump to vote Republican anyway (3)would set a precedent that would land many Democrat lawmakers in jail as well.
Therefore the Democrats are just going to continue what they have done for past six years which is to tell us of how Trump is a major threat to Democracy , assure us that they have the information to send him to jail which is about to be made public. But never actually send him to jail.
>>>Hageman was supported only because she was now a supporter of the BIG LIE.
Um… no. I’m guessing you are copying and posting your comment from some liberal website because no one familiar with the campaign could have come to that conclusion.
Hageman did not campaign on her views on Trump. You could passionately hate Trump and still vote for her because you agreed with the issues she raised during her campaign.
It was Cheney who campaigned on a platform of demanding absolute unquestioning loyalty to her view on Trump with zero allowance for nuance or shades of gray. And did not allow any other issues facing Wyoming to be a factor in her campaign.
No surprise that she lost so badly. I can’t stand Trump but would have voted for Hageman over Cheney any day.
Jackk. I won’t argue with your perception but I will say Cheney was the one for who the election was all about (dis)loyalty for Trump. Not Hageman.
Hageman for all her alliance with Trump did not run on the platform of “I’m Trump’s heir…I will keep the legacy of Trump etc.” She ran on issues that resonated with the voters in Wyoming that she could have stressed even were Trump to never have existed. Other than pure hating Trump what reason did Cheney give for anyone to vote for her?
People like yourself should realize that for all your faulting and claiming the Republican party is the party of Trump in reality it is people like yourself who are the ones truly obssessed with and willing to revolve all politics around Trump.
I can’t stand Trump but few politicians were more deserving of losing than Cheney.
Had Cheney (1) given off the impression of conducting a good faith, fair, unbiased investigation and (2) show a tenth of the passion she shows for hating Trump for caring about her constituents she would have been reelected. Being that she didn’t it was a very well deserved loss.
Trump’s corruption does not make the J6 committee straight and honest . Nor do his personal faults make his opponents into tzadikim. Not even in relation to him.
>>>Point of information: Ethel was later determined to be innocent. She was stitched up by her brother David
Zero sympathy for her here. She refused to talk during the investigation and trial to save the other communist activists she was dealing with.
Her brother David was recruited by her husband into the spy ring. His false testimony was based on what his wife claimed. (He claimed to have seen it himself when it was really hearsay from his wife who was a Russian spy herself)
So if you think you have a bad family just look at them…
>>>One count against Trump now is espionage ! They can’t make this stuff up !
When it comes to Trumps more rabid enemies you can make anything up…
To paraphrase Trump: The New York Times can make up that Trump shot three people on Fifth Avenue and the entire media world will fly into outrage and the FBI will fly into action.