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I am all for spiritual growth. However, I can not relate to the baseless, groundless, and unfounded “feel-good” emotional gestures which effect no real, lasting spiritual growth, but which consume much of the energy of many a well-meaning individual who seeks true advancement of character.
The impression I got from the OP was that her friend, without any guidance or direction by a Rebbe or other spiritual mentor, determined that talking on a cellphone in public is not within the parameters of tznius. It seemed to me also that this was implemented in a way which exuded a holier than thou attitude, as evidenced by the complaints of the OP.
Of course, I realize that she was not forced to act in this way. My point was that [based on my perception of the story] she seems to have adopted a very superficial and misguided approach to the concept of tznius, albeit altruistically. Please excuse my hyperbole; I was simply trying to make a point.
Shopping, it seems that your friend might have been infected with Talibanitis. Please get her some help before she buys a burka.
Asher, why not just “Women who wear…?” I think this has little to do with the husbands.
Say the ???? of ?? ????? ???? even when washing on a piece of bread that is only a ????.
Regarding ??????, I often see people wearing the ?? ?? in a way which is definitely not fulfilling the ????. Typically, this is because either the ??? is too low, or because the ????? is twisted (this can happen very easily – as the ????? is passed through the loop on the bicep – if you follow ???? ?????.)
Be ???? Talmidei Chachamim and Lomdei Torah.
At most, Zionism is the Yetzer Hara the same way that Shabbesai Tzvi-ism is the Yetzer Hara.
Perhaps, many years ago, Zionism was the Yetzer Hara, perhaps not. I have absolutely zero interest in getting involved in that debate.
Either way, as MDG alluded, in today’s world, Zionism is most certainly not the Yetzer Hara. It is merely a paper tiger which successfully distracts some people from the real struggles with which they should contend.
This thread, ??? ???????, will almost inevitably lead to ???? ???, and should be closed.
Yes, but only on my personal account.
As a Rebbe, I have a school email account which often contains sensitive personal information about my students and their families, which I am not at liberty to divulge to my wife (this would be pure Lashon Hara).
It should be noted, however, that the school administration has access to my school email account.
I do not believe the story about Rav Moshe zatzal.
This Way To The Egress
I liked color war as a kid, and I loved it as a staff member.
NeutiquamErro, I assume you meant that the term lift complements the term elevator. I find it hard to believe that one term would want to make another feel good about itself.
Or is that the British spelling?
I suppose it depends on your definition of a “chup”.
If the definition is (as in most Yeshivos), “hair above the forehead, long enough to comb to one side,” then both Rav Gifter and Rav Hutner, among many others, had “chups”. Based on the pictures in front of me right now, Rav Hutner’s was slight, and Rav Gifter’s was quite pronounced. Many of the Alter Mirrer had very long “chups” before WWII.
I’m not sure what the other definition is.
Well, I saw your post, and then a few minutes later I didn’t. I assumed that it had been deleted by a Mod, which I could not understand.
Now I realize that you edited the post (adding the last paragraph), so it needed to be approved again.
In most cities, any place that is meant for people to go through (such as sidewalks, driveways and the like) don’t need to be labelled as such to qualify as tow-away zones.
Any time you park in a way which impedes traffic, it is a tow-able offense. Where I live, the ticketing officer will not leave until the car is moved, either by the owner or by the tow truck.
What was wrong with iBump’s post?
It’s not a ????? if you want it to be there – otherwise, how could a ???? wear ??????? (This is what we call “???? ????? ????”.)
A quick look at the pictures of the future ????? ???? from when they were Bochurim in Mir and Telshe and the other Litvishe Yeshivos in Europe shows definitively that there is nothing wrong with it.
Each of those cars should have been towed within five minutes of having been ticketed.
This is what would have happened in most municipalities in the world.
The idea that any one group of people “created” the English language, or that the people currently living in England are the direct heirs of that group, is, in a word, hogwash.
The very concept of the English language is that it, like nearly all other languages, is in a constant state of evolution.
“Colour” is how you have spelt it. We have spelled it color.
Any whining about the origin of the language shows just how irrelevant the English realize themselves to have become.
Pretty soon, you’ll emulate the French, and open an Academy for the Preservation of the Integrity of the English Language.
And we all know just how relevant the French are…
1) Often, speakers do mention that their approach is either based on, or taken directly from, a particular commentary, but listeners generalize and assume that the quoted interpretation is the mainstream approach.
2) In speaking to young children, or even in many adult settings, it is reasonable to base an idea on one approach, even if it is not the only, or even the conventional one, to make a point. In many cases, to belabor the issue of whose opinion is which way, and whether or not it is generally accepted as ???? ???, is to obfuscate the main point of the speech and confuse the audience.
It is well known that there can be many different, even conflicting, interpretations of the same ???? ??”? or ????, all of which can be ???? ????? ????. The only caveat is that where the ???? has been decided in accordance with one opinion, we are bound to that side.
It should also be understood that when attending a shiur in Halacha, one should realize that the opinion of the speaker is not necessarily universally accepted, and one should always discuss any questions with his or her personal Rav.
I would.
I don’t remember his understanding, ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???. Would you mind elaborating?
It’s a moot point. Since you are removing ???? together with the ?????, there is no ???? at all.
The rules of ????, ???, ??? determine a permissible way to separate; in this case, there is no separation occurring.
Torah is, first and foremost, a legal system – ?????? ?? ?? ???. Its Law governs every moment of a person’s life.
It is one which is an expression of Hashem’s Will, and which is designed to train and mold us in a specific mode of thought, but it is a legal system nevertheless.
I do not understand the idea that “sevara which aligns with Torah is Torah.” Much of the sevara expressed in the literature of Christianity aligns with Torah; would you apply this idea to that as well?
Rev S.R. Hirsch writes many times that “the ends justifies the means” is a decidedly un-Jewish concept. ??? ?? ???? ??? ?????.
Not agreed.
This may belong in the “changing your mind” thread, but I’ll say it here because of relevance to your post.
I have often learned new things and new perspectives from the posts of the wonderful people in the CR, and that includes many comments in this thread.
I am personally very interested to learn from the Psakim and Hanhagos of Rav Moshe zt”l, and I think this is an excellent forum for that.
Syag is absolutely correct that if an expectation or social norm exists, no punishment would be necessary to induce students to clean up after themselves. It is also true that if one does not exist, a punishment would not be especially effective.
I cannot explain how it happened that in many Shuls and Batei Medrash it is socially acceptable to leave seforim out. It is, however, self perpetuating. People do it because people do it. In this way, it is similar to talking during Davening, speaking Lashon Hora and so many other issues.
When I was in high school, the Rosh Yeshiva (who was recognised as one of the Gedolei Hador) would stand at the door of the dining room at the end of meals. If he saw a boy walking away from the table without his plate, he would fix the problem.
My own (elementary age) students know that in my classroom, making or leaving a mess is simply not done.
With all this said, and at the risk of sounding somewhat repetitive, I feel the need to point out that it is far worse to denigrate an entire class of people, be it those who use the seforim or their Rebbeim, than it is to leave the seforim out.
To be sure, it is perfectly fine to raise awareness on this issue, but let’s please exercise caution as the conversation continues, not to descend into the wholesale character assassination of Lomdei Torah.
I was not referring to any specific post. I also agree that if a certain book contains questionable content, it may well be mandatory to spread the word.
What sort of content is considered “questionable”, however, is debatable, and, in fact, variable. It therefore would be necessary to obtain a ??? ???? for each case.
I do not think this is a correct application of “common knowledge.” The quality of Frum literature is a matter of opinion, and, as we see from the posts in this thread, there are many divergent opinions on the matter. What you consider for many reasons to be poor literature may well be a great read for me, if only because I am not as discerning a reader as you are.
I doubt that “common knowledge” would render it permissible to announce publicly, “Beryl’s Pizza is terrible,” even if many people agree.
“Common knowledge” also is not a blanket ????, as I’m sure you are aware. As far as I can tell, the ??? ???? rules that if the intention is to spread the word, it is ???? to say, and in all cases it is ???? to believe.
Without commenting on how ???? would view the status of this forum with regard to intent to spread the word (about which I am unsure), I would simply point out that he further rules that even if the intention was not to spread the word, it is only ???? when the subject comes up ??? ???, but not when the ???? ??? was the express subject of the conversation.
I would further caution that in such a conversation, it is too easy to denigrate an entire group of people with a single, broad stroke.
Additionally, in most cases, this puts the speaker in danger of being ???? ??? ????? against all Frum authors.
Years ago, it was pointed out to me that there is most probably not a ????? which would render it permissible to denigrate the quality of Frum literature.
I know the counterargument. I understand that people want to know how best to spend their time and money, and that this might constitute sufficient ?????. I nevertheless believe that such a question must be presented to a competent Halachic authority.
Either way, a public forum such as this is not an appropriate place for such a discussion. ????? is a ???? for those who need the information to request it, and for the consultant to divulge it. The information, however, is private. [The questioner is also not allowed to believe it implicitly – ????? ?????].
Compare:
“Do you think I should read Tails of Vashti by Rabbi Greenwald?”
“Do you think I should allow my daughter to meet Ben Greenwald?”
Especially during this time (??? ??????), we should be particularly careful to distance ourselves from ???? ???, ??????, ?????? ?? ??.
A rat by any other name would smell as malodorous.
And, in any case, the intentions of the OP are irrelevant – the course of the conversation is clear.
Yet another thread which will inevitably lead to the wholesale condemnation of the devoted individuals in whose hands we have entrusted the future of the Jewish People.
If I were to decry the dangers of doctors treating patients without taking the necessary precautions to ensure against infection and cross-contamination, all the doctors in the room would be righteously indignant. All objective observers would point out that it has been many, many years since this problem was recognised and eliminated.
The world of Chinuch has, by all accounts, been completely revolutionized, and is increasingly more professional every year. This is true by all measures, from the people entering the field, to the training and professional development.
The bogeyman of the “nightmare Chinuch” which might once have existed (but certainly never to the extent that some would have us believe) is no more.
It is time to appreciate Chinuch for what is, instead of condemning it for what might once have been. Your son and his Rebbe deserve no less.
I pity both haters and hater haters.
Try to see past yourself, it’s very therapeutic.
?? ??? ????????? explains that ???? as follows:
?????? ????? are ??????? because of their accomplishments. People who did not reach their level of scholarship or observance are ???????.
This is true even in the ???? ????.
Nevertheless, in the ???? ????, the ??????? can be ???? because, as a result of their family, background, etc., they did not have to work as hard to achieve what they did. The ??????? can be ????? because they had to overcome great obstacles to reach as far as they did.
The lesson of the ???? is, simply, ???? ???? ????.
Fairness is a Torah value. Equality in the eyes of the law is but one application of this concept.
If one person is drowning, this does not mean that everyone in the pool should get cpr.
The commonly accepted conception of equality that the rose bush and the cedar tree must both be of the same height, color and build is a mistake that has had terrible consequences for western society.
The Torah teaches us to recognize and celebrate our different roles in Hashem’s world.
Thanks, Joseph. That’s very informative.
How does this apply to copying things for use in my classroom [which is in the U.S.]? This is not personal use per se, but it’s not commercial, either.
Thanks, Joseph. That’s very informative.
How does this apply to copying things for use in my classroom? This is not personal use per se, but it’s not commercial, either.
RebYidd – I could not agree more strongly that all people have the right to be respected as such. Jewish or not, all people are created in Hashem’s image. I have written many times in the CR to protect and defend this very Jewish perspective.
I do want to point out, however, that for many people it is natural to identify more closely with another Jew than with others. Our common identity as Jews creates a unique bond that traverses all other borders. Additionally, nearly all Jews are actually direct relatives within, say, ten generations or so. In a community that is so conscious of its heritage, this is not considered a distant connection.
Of course, regardless of identity, I would never treat another person in a demeaning way, let alone tell her to do something beneath human dignity. Nevertheless, I would feel uncomfortable having a relative work as my cleaning help, and it is understandable to have a similar sentiment towards all Jews, who are, after all, family.
Whom would you waterboard?
Well, if the chicken is not in the mood for salad, it does not have to eat. But it should not expect any dessert, and there will be no eating after the ????? until the next meal.
Well, yes, I meant altogether in my CR career.
I think the last one was around Chanukah time.
I thought today’s post was written carefully enough that it could not be taken the wrong way.
Would you allow a cleaned up version of that sentiment?
Is there a method to the madness? I’ve had about five posts and one thread that were not posted, and I have no idea what was wrong with any of them.
I don’t know, I’m not convinced.
That explains why you would get the tea. Its cheaper than coffee, and works just as well for spilling on Popa.
I will happily admit that I was fishing for you to explain the Tylenol thing. I will also readily admit that I have no idea what you said.
In any case, I made my point.
The fact that ??? ????? ?? ?? ????? ????? ???? removes all doubt from the conversation. However, it does not mean that we necessarily fully understand the motivation for the ????? or other manifestations of ????? ?????, such as ????? ????? or gravity.
I know that Tylenol relieves headaches, but am hopelessly clueless as to why this is so.
The question of slavery is one which has bothered me for many years, but the fact that there are some things that I do not understand will not affect my knowledge of the truth.
I thought it’s better not to learn than to learn rak l’kanter.
Gullible means believing whatever people tell you, or not being able to think for yourself. I think that’s exactly the opposite of open-mindedness.