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The term is a “sincerely held religious belief.” The fact that the minor drinker held a religious belief based upon (say) Shulchen Orech requiring alcoholic consumption to the point of drunkenness, the point that there may or may not be other religious sources disputing this religious ruling is entirely irrelevant as a secular legal matter. He has a right to follow the religious rulings that he believes in. (Indeed it would be unconstitutional for the court to even analyze differing religious opinions, and whether they are religiously valid or not. All the court will ask is for a letter from a clergyman simply stating that the persons “sincerely held religious belief” is such and such.)
Just a couple of points to follow-up.
The social laws, in the few (and it is only few) areas that do have them, DO exempt religious use. This is a fact. Indeed, otherwise it would make a mockery of the existing religious exemptions. New York State does not have any statewide social host laws. NYC therefore does not have such laws. Nassau County on the other hand, does have a county-wide social host law. And to take that as an example, this is a verbatim quote from the Nassau County social host law:
b. The provisions of this subdivision a of this section shall not apply to: i) the consumption of alcohol or alcoholic beverages by a minor whose parent or guardian is present and has expressly permitted such consumption; or ii) the use and consumption of alcohol or alcoholic beverages by a minor for religious purposes.
And I stand by my previous assertion regarding the Constitutionality of the laws. I say so based upon experience and case law I’ve seen in this area.
As a former defense attorney (now retired) I wanted to share with you some pertinent facts. The religious exemption being debated here, as long as claimed legitimately, is rather solid and generally no prosecutor will file a case. This is irregardless of any social host laws previously mentioned.
On top of that, the “Free Exercise Clause” (and to an extent the “Establishment Clause”) of the U.S. Constitution protect member of a religion (in this case Jews, including underage), from engaging in alcohol (in this case on Purim) as prescribed by their religious authorities. In the unlikely event an overzealous prosecutor did file a case, it would almost certainly be thrown out of court without trial.
charliehall/mariner, Rav Kook prohibited pants. So if you’re going to try to justify it with religious zionists, you’ll have to stick with your story, since Rav Kook is who the religious zionists claim to hold by. (Rav Kook btw was extremely machmir when paskening tznius issues. Look at his teshuvas.)
Thank You Mr. Editor for hearing all these good suggestions, and helping everyone out by implementing them!
Here is something I think would be useful. If a moderator rejects a comment for whatever reason, send the poster an email with the original message so he could edit it so it is appropriate and he can repost it without the objectionable parts. If someone writes a whole megila of a comment and it never gets posted, the original poster doesn’t have a copy of his original message and may not want to type it all over (without the objectionable parts.) Also, maybe the moderator can include a note in the email why it was rejected.
If the moderator edits out the objectionable parts (instead of rejecting it outright) , which is actually a better idea if possible, then just out a little note where it was edited with something like “edited by moderator”. I don’t think it is necessary to make the poster feel bad by writing WHY it was edited for everyone else to see, the poster will get the hint anyways.
You can’t pick and choose. You either follow Rav Moshe, or you don’t. You can’t follow him for this but not that.
Charles Schwab – I’m your customer!
cantoresq – Is cantorial music merely your passion, or do you practice it?
Nobody – time to boost your self-esteem. You are a somebody.
squeak – is that some kinda rubberducky toy my kids play in the tub?? Or what exactly do you represent?
smartcookie – why not upgrade to genius? ðŸ™‚
gavra_at_work – gavra?
TOHIGHSCHOOLGUY – Is “TO” the initials of your school?
oomis1105 – 1105?
000646 – What are those 000’s for?
sammygol – whats the gol all about?
rabbiofberlin – why did you retire that position?
The Rabbis daughters – how many daughters are there?
jphone – why not iphone?
I can only try – you seem to have given up (your only in the riddle threads these days)
Feif Un – what on earth??
dont have internet – is that to remind you what to answer if the yeshiva calls?
anon for this – whats this?
Give Me a Break – A break from what?
jent1150 – A gentleman from 1150 Xnd Avenue?
lammed hey – not lammed vov?
teenager – are you going to change your name at 20?
mw13 – Mazal Tov! Great pshetel.
yitzy99 – Ad meah v’esrim shonah!
mariner – Ceaser’s Bay?
charlie brown – grow up!
I also think posts should be made quicker. I do think they do need to be moderated though. Maybe you could ask a few regulars here to help out moderating (obviously assuming they have the right hashkofos…)
The total lack of tznius today is a terrible machla on us. We need to do a lot to alleviate this tznius crisis. Anything towards that goal, is highly commendable.
000646: The bottom line here is do you conform to the wishes of your Baal (husband), as your halachic obligations obligate you. If you do, there are no problems.
I use my personal name (that I also use as my d/b/a in my brokerage business.)November 24, 2008 5:15 am at 5:15 am in reply to: Tenor of Discussion on YWN: When Discussions Become Acrimonious #625856
jent1150, I don’t know about the tznius aspect, but Reb Moshe in the Igros Moshe paskened VERY CLEARLY that an eiruv is ossur in Brooklyn and Manhattan.
Lets also remember that, like everything else, consumption of Cholov Akum has a negative affect on ones neshama — and thus will affect a person in ways unfathomable.
sjs, what makes you think he was kidding… suffrage was certainly a mistake.
DEAR FELLOW JEWS!
THIS, YES THIS, obsession with “looks” and beauty IS THE ONE AND ONLY REASON FOR TODAY’S “SHIDDUCH CRISIS.”
If so many people would not be seek such VANITY, the shidduch crisis would DISAPPEAR!
“casting aspersion upon thousands of perfectly fine and upstanding Jews who use Facebook.”
Obviously they are NOT so “perfectly” fine and upstanding if they use Facebook.
havesomeseichel, The best way to fight anti-white “affirmative action” racism, is to put on the application that you are “African-American.” This way you’ll get whatever extra benefits they offer as affirmative action, and if they realize later you are white let them try taking away the benefit due to your being a caucasian.
It will be a very long time before we see such an Ohaiv Yisroel, as W, in the White House again. He will be missed as soon as he retires.
If you thought Carter was bad, tighten your seatbelts with Hussein.November 2, 2008 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm in reply to: Barack Hussein Obama, Will he Drop “Hussein” or Not? #623427
A sad, but funny, message I saw:
The U.S. is a very interesting country. First it sends 150,000 troops to another country 7000 miles away in order to remove a Hussein from power.
Now it is about to elect a Hussein who says he will bring the 150,000 troops home.
Obviously the original poster is speaking rhetorically, with his point being that being called a Kanoi is something to be proud of.
cherrybim dude, why did you ask for the name of a Rav? Thought you planned on calling?? Cold-feet? joseph’s arguments are quite convincing, and you haven’t even taken a serious dab at disputing his points.
Was the anthem originally composed in Loshon Kodesh or Yiddish, by Harav Blau ZTV’L?
Editor, Thank You!
Any chance of getting the timestamp with data/time instead of # of days ago?
I also see someone mentioned above the change screen name/password link is out of service.
(If you click “Update Login Information” after logging into the main YW site, it says “You are not allowed to do this here”. It used to take you to the screen to change your screen name/password.)
Editor: Another suggestion – Show the date & time on posts in the Coffee Room rather than jusr “X days ago” or “X hours ago”
Btw, the suggestions above haven’t been implemented yet (like adding another 10 threads on the main coffee room page, like you said above you would.)
charlie, those Rabbis were not Briskers. (Just related to them.)
Regarding pants, you could find a heter to whatever you want if you look hard enough. I’ve heard of so-called heterim from everything like uncovered hair, pants, mini-skirts… pick and choose Judaism. Heck, I’m sure you could find a heter to eat treif and be mechallel shabbos. Oh wait, the Reform and Conservative were already matir all that.
rabbiofberlin, Brisk is FAMOUS for being extremely anti-zionist. They oppose zionism. They oppose army service. They oppose national service. They oppose participation if the parliament (in fact they are against voting in the Israeli elections altogether). They refuse to take money from the State for their Yeshivos (that they are legally entitles too). The Brisker Rov (Reb Velvel) was VERY good friends with the Satmar Rebbe (Reb Yoel). So which position are you unsure of if they are the same as Satmar?
(BTW mariner, you seem to get in feuds with everyone around you. Think about that for a few moments. Maybe your positions are so far out of bounds for religious Judaism that you would be better off taking them elsewhere.)September 12, 2008 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm in reply to: Scene at O’Hare Airport in Chicago This Past Sunday Afternoon #622009
Unfortunately, too many people, especially those on the internet including so-called kosher sites like yw, have no sensitivity for tznius. Therefore the above comments whitewashing the lack of tznius is sadly unsurprising.
Of course hand-holding is prohibited in public. Of course touching is prohibited in public. The fact that it is so difficukt to penetrate the thick skulls above who do not wish any infringement on their hfkkeirus, shows the difference between most people who do use the internet vs . most people who do not use the internet.
form = forum
(even your editor is subject to error!)
Here is the proofread-corrected version of your submission:
mroe = more
Guys please! Zionism is literally in its death throes. Let the Ribono Shel Olam continue to do his work, and this machla will soon be gone! Whats the point of all this bickering?
Gee, nowhere did suraschier say that one must wear a tichel, opaque tights with seams, or shave their hair. Apparently some people really don’t have ANY basic standards if they take issue with the few basics here. No wonder the Rabbonim constantly need to call Tznius Asifas and establish a Vaad Hatznius. Without them rampant pritzus would continue to pervade our kehilos.
I remember my dating days… I actually asked my Rebi at that time. I was told opening the door “is a moderne zach vus kumt fun der nochrim, un mir tut es nit.” And this was already back in time. Nowadays I would imagine the young fellows, as the generations are getting weaker, are probably a foot deeper in this. A reminder of where it shtams from is never a bad idea.
The Yeshivisha and Chasidisha velt is considered Chareidi.
Why do you feel all defensive? Who is putting the Litvish on the defense? You said that “how dare chassidim try to ram their minhagim down our throats?” But which Chasid is “ramming it down your throat”? And you said that “its always the litvish getting attacked, and im sick of it!” By whom? Which planet are you living on? Some fringe area? This isn’t the mainstream reality. You have quite an imagination!
You said that “i believe in zeh vezeh divrei elokim chayim. which means, not slamming one side to prove the other.” Well walk the walk, don’t just talk the talk.
You said that “the chassidim are the ones who have to give answers to questions.” You are a no one to tell anyone they have to answer questions.
“chassidishe minhagim have alot of problems” you said. I think YOU “have a lot of problems.”August 3, 2008 2:35 am at 2:35 am in reply to: The greatest financial supporter of Torah Jewry in the world #634036
rabbiberlin; the Zionists are trying to TAKE AWAY money from the Yeshivos and Torah Jews (who pay more in taxes than they receive back) in Eretz Yisroel.
If you have any defense to the crimes that the convicted mass murderer Kastner did, I can only pity you.
Meanwhile since the advent of Zionism, we must deal with more terrorism and killing in the holy land than the time preceding the Zionists. (Is that the “winning” you are referring to??) Before they turned the Arabs into full-time Jew-haters we lived relatively benignly in Arab countries (unlike the constant mass murder and harrasment the European/Chrtian countries constantly subjected us to.) Now they are in a constant war, losing Jewish soldiers every day since their founding.
Did anyone mention to you their history? Like cutting off the payos of the Yeminite yidden and kidnapping their children?
Pahuteh yid, Its perfectly right to be limud zchus on someone who doesn’t wear a jacket/hat (just as it would be for anything else wrong he did). But it isn’t right to promote not wearing a jacket/hat if shulchan orach says one should always wear a jacket/hat by davening (and bentching).
Everyone who disagrees with Pashuteh is pashut a kannoi apparently according to his thinking.
It really tickles me how many of the modern orthodox call any Chareidi hashkofos as kannoi.
The Big One: They’re afraid their rejected ideas would attract only the lowest elements.
The better question to ask is, Why would someone NOT wear a jacket or hat?
Is there a 2,000 year old minhug to not wear a jacket or hat that we missed somehow?July 17, 2008 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm in reply to: Out Of The Mailbag: (Bungalow Colony Binge Drinking) #619609
Dare we suggest the terrible lack of tzinius during the summer months may be a factor in all our problems.
Challahback: I assume that the Hatzolah car driver who parked by the bus stop didn’t block the pedestrian child’s view possibly causing the accident?
cherryhillbilly: I think Challahback point is that by having his vehicle nearby wherever he is (including an illegal spot during a non-emergency), the Hatzolah driver can immediately get to his vehicle in case of an actual emergency.
Yisroel Kedoshim Heim.