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y1836 > your definition seems to be, Gedolim who were anti-Zionist

The problem of his definition is that it ls self-serving. We look at “gedolim” to see something that we might not figure out ourselves. With this definition, you simply re-define any gadol who disagrees with you as lower-level human gadol. Then, the whole notion is meaningless and serves simply as a way to find louder arguments for your own position.

> Henkin “grappled’ with this question

Just guessing: maybe this was a common question among his hevrah and he thought it important to give this answer in public and explain it so that they understand.

> some do not want to write zatzal because of the damage he caused,

R Yochanan was not sure until his death whether he made a huge aveirah by asking for too little from Vespasian. Sofek on his zatzal also? what about crowds that became or stayed observant because of Rav Kook? Don’t count?

Avira, thanks for quoting this teshuva!

> the world is ok with jews coming to “their” land, and they see it as “natural” – has he ever heard what they say at the UN? They hated Israel from day 1…

By the letter of the law, UN voted to create Israel. Don’t take zechuyos from people who need them .. Maybe Americans wanted to stick it to Brits, and Soviets expected a client communist state, but their vote is what mattered.

> Poskim are human. Unless they’re the gedolei olam,

You are refining further and further your system of rejecting Talmidei Chachamim who don’t agree with you. In this case, you may forgive some of the gedolim for being emotional like many other Yidden when an event of such historical magnitude happens – at the seemingly very lowest point of
Jewish history. As one chacham writes in his memoirs at that time: “European Jewry is destroyed, Russian Jews are permanently under Communists, there never was a yeshiva in America and never will be, EY is under Brits and not allowing anyone in, ehat is going happen with the Torah? …”. I am sure you can reply to this Chacham that Zionists did not support Torah directly, but if you put yourself back at that time, it gave hope and any hope mattered. Think for a minute what if American Jews stayed fully secular – EY would be the only place for Torah. I am sure you’ll go there to learn of there were no other choices. Would rather learn there under an Arafat or an Assad? Do you think they will let Chazon Ish to have his “midbar” peacefully?

Speaking about this, colleges evaluate transfer classes. What yeshivos and seminaries have good record of providing class descriptions for transfer and maybe already provided them to some popular off- and on- line colleges?

I am curious: was there a Democrat in general or in CR who called for full investigation of Hunter’s businesses in order to clear his name from unfounded accusations?

ok, now your “common saychel” status confirmed. And I presumed your college was in-town, you did not move to a fancy campus.

Avram > What level of poverty would you like to see before you’re satisfied?

whatever it takes. Make your shabbos as chol. See below. I am sure there are tirutzim to read away these basic halochos as such lifestyle seems acceptable and we can argue about it for a long time, that is why I generously called these halochos “chumros”.

YD 255 לעולם ירחיק אדם עצמו מהצדקה
when can one take? מי שיש לו מזון שתי סעודות לא יטול מהתמחוי
ואפי’ היה חכם מכובד והעני יעסוק באומנות ואפי’ באומנות מנוולת ואל יצטרך לבריות:
כל מי שאינו צריך ליטול מהצדקה ומרמה העם ונוטל אינו מת עד שיצטרך לבריות

non-Jewish charity seems to be more stringent than Jewish
YD 254 אסור לישראל ליטול צדקה מן העובד כוכבים בפרהסיא ואם אינו יכול לחיות בצדקה של ישראל ואינו יכול ליטלה מהעובד כוכבים בצינעא הרי זה מותר

I could not find anything about online colleges in Igros Moshe, but I still highly recommend those. You get same lectures as in in-person, you get no co-ed problems (other than seeing people of other gender typing), and it generally costs 2 times less, esp if counting cost of campus or commute.

Also, having a small group of talmidim taking same classes creates sufficient group environment for study. Maybe some local educated Yidden can assist the bochrim in selecting classes, general outlook towards studying and tutoring if needed.

Btw, we need to have some understanding what is a child that needs to be protective. From ketubot, a father can send a 6-y.o to earn money, a 12.5 y.o. girl can get married on their own. With this in mind, one can argue that a high-schooler, and surely a college student, are “legal adults”. Of course, we should be mindful of downsides that we know are happening.

Colleges that Avigdor Miller and Lubavicher Rebbe attended probably did not have a lot of women at the time. It is a known social observations that groups with less women are more moral (i.e. women are in demand and can insist on their rules).

There is also a difference between attending a local college with kids attending classes and going home v. shipping kids to a campus.

I guess, this works for law schools, but what about other jobs? It should be possible to count accredited yeshiva classes for humanities/cultural/electives and then have ~ 2 years of professional training at a local or online university. Anyone has experience with that?

jackk, proceedings need to provide minimal standards of fairness. With Rosenbergs and other spies, they were all involved in helping Soviet murderers in various ways, all of that made them deserving punishment.

I presume Moshe, Shmuel, David spoke some sort of Hebrew despite it being a difficult language to talk in?!

also, you are looking at it from your own perspective. how about several millions of Jews who did not master Gemora? Israeli Jews have a way higher chance of eventually finding their home than American. and Ivrit is part of that.

I find it difficult to understand this argument about bnei David. What were Chashmonaim supposed to do? Go find a Ben David who didn’t show up on his own? Maybe more reasonable they should not call themselves kings and have a broader power sharing with Sanhedrin. Still not clear how this is possible at the time of fighting that requires unified power, see Shmuel and Washington. It seems the immediate source of their downfall was fighting each other and calling Pompey to resolve that. Still, there was no path to independence in the Roman empire, as r Yohanan understood

Were people had? Some leftwingers are boasting that republicans were not able to focus on criticizing recent climate reduction bill because they voted so quickly before details were understood and fox was talking about the raid 24-7. Would it be too much to credit bidenistas with timing these events? Given their score record this seems unlikely but the coincidence did happen

I think if moishe were to encounter Beruriah online, she could teach him how to make his question shorter

Can we use chashmomaim as an example of how to govern rather than just how to resist foreign power? They very quickly ended up fighting each other, killing talmidei chachamim … This example does tell us that some people can be tzadikim in some aspect, but not always example on all their actions. We do honor the achievements.

Huju, this is cognitive dissonance that you need to attend to. We all always look at the events when they happen, form opinions that are hard to change later. So, we now know what exactly Putin’s plan was: take over a neighbor unless they submit to threats and use economic threats to keep soft part of Europe neutral and keep oil price high to feed his own. I am not able to point to any Trump policy that helped that and see above for ones that were against it. Same time lots of Obama Biden Merkel policies that achieved opposite

I just read that Netziv put his shabbos clothes to accept a first bottle of wine from EY. that was at the time of early Zionists. What was his thinking about these issues?

Gotagoodpoint beat me to this point, are you a page ahead in daf yomi? Ketubot 45b

Modern, according to what I read, organizations that were making those decisions were basing them on their ideological considerations and not on the yerushalamis. I agree with your view and so did r Kamenetsky in the quote.

It is always good to have a wider view on the whole am yisroel rather than a parochial one. During ww2 in Vilno, right before Lithuania was occupied, r Grozdinsky was asked who should get priority for visas, old or young rabbis. Old ones will be killed first, but younger ones would lose their children to communist education.. Rav answered that old ones should have priority because 1. They’ll be able to help remaining ones when they get to America and 2. They’ll be more useful for American Jews

I see here a discussion of who to believe when quoting gedolim of the past, then degenerating into a discussion whether the source is Adam kosher. This does make sense but there should be some limits. Unfortunately, most of sources we have paint pictures of the previous generation according to the writer’s ideology. Those who quote more radical opinions may do it to support their even more radical ones. More conservative ones are less outrageous, unless they go full neturei karta, and it is easier for them to obfuscate by omittion. In my view, any untruth is unfortunate and posuls the eidim. Maybe we need to refer more to seforim by the gedolim themselves, making sure those were not edited or some are advertised more than others

There was a consideration to have Yiddish as the official language of future Israel… Ivrit won because it could be associated with giborim of the old rather than recent ghettos…

Yeshivas continued in Yiddish of course.. r Kamenetsky when visiting r Auerbachs yeshiva said that moschiach will come from there because they had top classes in ivrit making them available to Sephardim

Jackk, fair hearing would be ones conducted by choshen mishpat rules: witnesses are called live and cross examined by two sides, etc impeachment hearings were reasonably kosher even if pointless. Ultimate power play: you show respect to the person when he is a president and can maybe leak your personal conversations but abandon fairness when he lost that power. Maybe that was the reason for the raid. They were afraid there were NSA recordings at Mara Lago

Kuvult, yes, that is what I am saying – a lot of “norms” of American Jewish society are pretty new. You walk in EY or Europe or China and every stone cave is 1000 year old. In US, a 400-old University is an esteemed one. I read about some American suspiciously inquiring some scholarly office in England – “how long are you in business? ” – “800 years” ..

Also, the country was small. At the founding, there were, I think, 3 mln people and the founders were writingly bravely expecting that there could be even 30 mln in the future! Also, early Jewish citizens in NY and RI were pretty distinguished Sephardim, not chopped liver so to speak.