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Some people here are confusing registration with voting. NYC is basically a one party town , with the winner of the Democratic primary usually the general election winner. To vote in the Democratic primary you must be a registered Democrat.
However, when you get to the general election, you can vote Republican even if you’re a registered Democrat.Charlie , congratulations, you know how to cut and paste from Google. The Federal government has been conducting limited burns, but obviously not enough. Had there not been such a huge accumulation left over from the 8 Obama/Biden years it might have been sufficient. And Gov Newsom admitted California had not done anything.
GH, you seem to have overlooked that Gov Newsom of California agreed that Trump was right in that years of accumulation of millions of pounds of dead leaves and trees on the forest floor provided the fuel that made the fires much worse. Newsom said California had to begin effective forest management
Hakatan, how do you get around the fact that, even if you accept them as having halachic status, the 3 oaths no longer apply due to one of the following:
1. In allowing the Holocaust, the goyim violated their obligation to not oppress the Jews excessively and thus abrogated the 3 oaths
2. The Jews did not rebel, an international body of nations granted us a stateMidwesterner , you conflated my statements.
Statement #1: I haven’t seen cigarettes given put at simchas in over 50 years.
Statement #2: cigarettes are very expensive in the NY metro area. Any bochur who smokes a pack or more a day is disqualified from tuition assistance. The money spent on cigarettes should go towards tuition.With regard to the yeshiva. Many make big issues regarding the color of shirts, manner of dress and hashkafa of their talmidim. Yet, when it comes to an unhealthy, disgusting and expensive cigarette habit , they are suddenly powerless?
The 3 oaths are aggadata and pardon me if I don’t accept the Satmar Rav as my authority on the subject.
People are still giving out cigarettes at Simcha? As far as I’m concerned, any bochur that can afford cigarettes ( heavily taxed in the NY metro area ) doesn’t need a tuition break.
Last I checked, the 3 oaths are not halacha
Jacob Blake had assaulted his girl friend. She took out a restraining order which he had just violated. She then called 911 and the police were responding to that call, and he had an outstanding warrant. Are you saying the police should have ignored the 911 and warrant? If Blake didn’t resist arrest, the rest doesn’t happen. Blake is an alleged rapist , and getting shot doesn’t make him a hero.
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Charlie, you are beyond help. Obama/Biden had the weakest recovery from recession in decades. You conveniently forget that before Trump listened to the science and shut the economy , it was going great, with the lowest black unemployment in history. By lowering the corporate tax rate and encouraging companies to bring money back home for reinvestment and eliminating costly regulations , he encouraged job creation. He has brought manufacturing back, something Obama/Biden said was impossible. He made the U.S. energy independent.
f007,the reason we didn’t telecommute 10 years ago was because bandwidth and speeds weren’t what they are today, an DC parts of the country were still on 3g networks
Charlie, when you’re right your right. Reverse all the Trump policies that generated the great , pre covid, economy is the ticket! Not only reverse the tax cuts that benefited the middle clasd ( and no, it didn’t benefit only the rich )but raise taxes another 4 trillion. Oh yes, and go back to the Obama trade policies that cost thousands of manufacturing jobs.
Manhattan streets are empty for several reasons:
1. People have been leaving in droves. The moving companies are operating at 100%
2. Because of filth, crime and the homeless, people are afraid. And, with no restaurants and many boarded up stores, there is no foot traffic.Manhattan real estate vacancies are at near record highs
Charlie, vote by mail is and isn’t secure.
Absentee ballots are secure because they are only sent to the address of the people requesting it.
Mailin ballots, mailed to every registration in a state’s rolls of voters can only be secure and safe if the rolls have been properly purged of invalid registrations ( i.e. people who have either moved or died ). To qualify for purging, a person would have have not voted in 2 successive presidential elections and failed to respond to 3 requests mailed to last known address. Stacy Abrams of Georgia called this voter suppression, and states have thus been cowed into not updating voter registrations.Nomesorah,
I think there will be some frsud. Look at what happened in Paterson New Jersey. However, that is least of potential problems. The millions of manual ballots would have to be hand counted. If you don’t think that won’t take time, look at what happened n.v ed in only 1 congressional district in NY. It took nearly 2 months to certify her win , thousands of mailin ballots were thrown out and her opponent is suing. Regardless who wins the Presidential election, the loser will call for a recount. By law, the Electoral College has a deadline of mid December. There is no way an original manual count and recount can take place in 6 weeks.A couple of points:
1. The states that have mail in ballots have had years to get.
the kinks out
2. They’ve also cleaned up their voter registrations,
eliminating bad addresses, deaths etc
3. Attempts to clean up registrations in other states have
been met by Democratic claims of voter suppression
( see Stacy Abrams in Georgia )
4. Among the provisions stuffed by Pelosi into her stimulus
package were 2 laws stripping away security provisions
from mail in ballots which would make it impossible to
prove who actually filled out the ballot
5. Absentee ballots work fine and there is plenty of time
fir them to be requested
6. The difference between mailin and absentee ballots?
Absentee ballots are requested and mailed to a specific
address. Mailin are sent in bulk, to all registrations on
file, regardless if they intend to vote in person of at allSyag, carrying on Shabbos has some arcane halochos that are not so simple. My Rav in Midwood had paskened it was assured to use the Flatbush eruv, but paskened that it was permissible to use a cane, if the user needed it 24/7. He held that it was the same as not considering carrying to wear a hat. He did make one HUGE qualification. To enter the shul from the street one had to climb 10 stairs , with a handrail from the bottom to the top. He said it would be considered carrying, and thereby assur to carry the cane, if a person used the handrail, not the cane, to climb the last 10 steps
Commonsaychel, you don’t seem to get it.I don’t care which position you take, you’re entitled to your point of view. as long as you don’t support your claims with unverifiable data . Or, as Syag suggests, just say you made it up/exaggerated.
If you did, I missed your evidence that the average age of a YI shul goer is 75
I’m not saying anything or taking any position . You asked for examples of undocumented claims that you made. I’ve provided 3. I’m still waiting for you to provide your data source.
Commonsaychel,
You’ve cited anecdotal evidence for the shuls and your list is also anecdotal.
I don’t claim to know the numbers, I just am curious as to the data base your numbers come fromCommon satchel
Examples:
1. Half of frum doctors are yeshivish
2. Most successful frum businessmen are chassidish or
Black hat
3. Average age in Y.I. is 75What were your sources
Commonsaychel, you throw around numbers and percentages but provide no sources. Where do you get them from?
CT, you’re the one deciding she is Black. Forget the Census , use the seichel Hashem gave you. Her paternal ancestry is Jamaican and her maternal ancestry is Indian. Also, just because people disagree with the “Trump” census , as you keep repeating, doesn’t make them a Nazi or an advocate for apartheid.
Harris’s father did not arrive in the U.S. until 1938 and considers himself a proud Jamaican. You also to seem to have overlooked the Indian half of her ancestry. So, how does that make her an African American?
On October 22, 2016 a Reuters poll had Hillary with a commanding 326 to 212 lead in electoral votes, and gave her a 95% chance of winning
Charlie, the teacher unions all oppose reopening and see no medical risk marching with Black Lives Matter. If health is their only concern, why do the demands include banning charter schools, keeping private schools closed and, in case of the LA union, Medicare for All? The Academy of Pefiatrics says children are suffering more damage staying home.
Yes, Trump was an anti vaxxer, but he is now pushing for a vaccine. Who cares what he said before. Senator Harris claimed 10 months ago that Biden was a virtual racist ( for associated and cooperating with racist colleagues in the Senate) and a predator,supporting women’s claims against him. Are you now going to hold her to those beliefs as well?Charlie, unfortunately there will never be a vaccine for Trump Derangement Syndrome
Neither Trump or most of his supporters are anti science or anti vaccine. Ironically, the progressives argued follow the science only when it supports them. Now that the American Academy of Pediatrics ( among others ) has supported school reopening, the unions have dismissed science.The Jews of Eastern Europe had more pressing issues to deal with than the flu. The Eastern Front was unfortunately located in the heart of major Jewish population centers.Each time the Russians advanced one way, only to have the Germans and Austrians push them back, many Jewish communities were devastated and many Jews died. The estimates of Jewish lives lost range from a low of 100,000 to as high as 600,000.
More Jews died after 1918 when they were caught in the Russian civil war. The Cossacks may have hated the Bolsheviks, but they still took the time to murder Jews. I’ve seen archival of film of Jews being dragged by their beards thru the shtetl street, but it’s Cossacks, not Nazi’s, doing the draggingIn 1918 most Eastern European frum Jews lived in Shtetls with no electricity or modern communication. They also didn’t have a full understanding of what at caused the flu , and wouldn’t have closed yeshiva or shuls
The Spanish flu did not have anything to do with Spain. The government’s of England , France, Germany , Austria and other combatants censored any flu news because they didn’t want their enemies to know how bad they were suffering..Spain, being neutral, had no censorship and was the first country to report on the flu and thus was named for it
CT, Speaker Pelosi just endorsed Rep Omar,despite not only past antisemitic comments but borderline antisemitic ads in current race.
My grand daughter’s yeshiva is in New Jersey. Tuition was $23,000 but when you add in busing etc it goes higher.
CH. I didn’t say the New York average,I said the national average. And I noticed that you didn’t deny my statement that NYC doesn’t provide anything close to a quality education for the money it does spend.
Syag, can you provide examples? My district’s costs include providing free transportation for all private school children within a 20 mile radius. With many frum kids, that’s a lot of busing.
What it doesn’t have is a multitude of administrators make six figure salaries. Before it hit hard times and had to cut costs, a local yeshiva had hired numerous high paid administrators. Another yeshiva, beset by poor fiscal management didn’t pay their rebbeim for about 9 months. People refused to donate to a campaign until the yeshiva replaced the incumbent incompetents with people who knew how to financially run a yeshiva ( i.e. budgeting, fundraising, planning , monitoring spending )Music is used by filmmakers to set the mood. My rav told me that when listening to an all news radio station during my availus, hearing a commercial with background music was not a problem since the intent of the music was not to entertain
Stag, this is what I don’t understand. My granddaughter’s yeshiva high school tuition was approximately $25,000. My local school district spends $22,000 per child. That $22,000 covers not just the high school but also 6 middle and elementary schools. It also covers a varsity football team ( and field ), other varsity sports , a school band, numerous extracurricular activities as well as up to date labs and a highly rated academic program. It’s teachers are also better paid, with better benefits. So , why does my grand daughter’s yeshiva charge more?
CH, you can’t use KJ as an example. They created their school district as a legitimate means to provide funding for the treatment of kids with learning and physical disabilities. The district also pays $8 million for busing for yeshiva kids.
Since there are only about 140 kids in the KJ public school over whom to spread the cost, it creates an artificialloo y high per student costCharlie Using 2017 data, NYC spent $25,199 which was twice the national average . Kiryas yoel’s numbers are are misleading. It’s public school budget includes $8 million to provide busing for yeshiva but there are only about 140 public school kids ( many of whom have disabilities and require significant support) to spread the cost over
Right writer. Is that what you do with your books?
CH, Arizona pays for private school tuition without a huge tax raise. Dollars dno not equate to quality education. NYC spends the highest per student than any other district but gets substandard results.
About 3 years ago there was this debate in the Five Towns area that yeshivas should get taxpayer funding, just like the public schools. The debate ended when it was pointed out that yeshivas would then be required to open their books to the public , and for the first time, give a line by line accounting of their spending. In addition, their budgets would also have to be public and subject to approval by voters in the district.
The “kollel for All ” model is of relatively recent origin ( probably since the 1970’s ) for several reasons.
In Europe, full time yeshiva education beyond the basics was limited to the brightest students . There was no government social systems and the Jewish community was too poor to support B and C students. As it was, the yeshivas required globetrotting fundraisers to stay open.
Ironically, it was the baby boomers, the first Jewish generation granted relatively unrestricted access to law medical and dental schools , that provided the wealth that gave kollels the financial ability to open their doors ( and the creation of Medicaid etc ) to anyone who wants to learn.
I have no problem with government support, with 1qualification. Kollels should give periodic exams to see if the students are actually learning or are there for other reasons ( i.e. for shidduch purposes,or they simply don’t want to work for a living ). Someone not learning shouldn’t be there on the government’s dime.Rabbi Hoffman wrote an article in last week’s 5 Towns Jewish Times
Reb eliezer, can you possibly be more ignorant of our system of government? Trump’s niece signed a non disclosure agreement as part of the settlement of her grandfather’s will.
What does Skokie have to do with Trump?What is truly scary is the increasingly overt fascism of the far left. The long time director of the San Francisco museum of art was accused of racism and forced to resign. His sin? At a meeting regarding diversity of their art collection, he said they would continue to collect art by white artists!!
Apparently issues like this ( and the Times editor ) don’t bother Reb eliezer , GDH, and Charlie HallAnd, again to my 3 friends, your misrepresentation of Trump as being anti Muslim rests with his banning entry from ,i think it was 8 countries, who either had no central government ( Somalia) or otherwise could not or would not vet for terrorists on their soil. The majority were Muslim countries and the list had been prepared by Obama !
To Charlie Hall,Gh,Ctl,
The three of you keep misrepresenting immigration as a whole, and Trump’s position in particular.
The U.S. has a right to decide who can immigrate into the country. Yet the 3 of you act like we are outliers. For example, Canadian immigration is largely limited to skilled individuals.
Trump is against Illegal mmigrants, not legal ones. Nobody has a right to enter the US . It was your sainted FDR who turned away the St.Louis and sent its Jewish passengers back to Europe and death.
Biden has yet to take a position on the looting. He has already abandoned inner city kids education by promising to cut off funding to charter schools and waste more money ( without accountability) on public schools. His 8 years with Obama demonstrate he has no clue on the economy and giving Warren and AOC major roles does not portend good outcomes.Nom, I was laughing at the “reasons” given for needing to see his tax returns. Reb Eliezer somehow left off being a covert Mets fan and eating gebrocht on Pesach Sheni. This is the same DA who has bungled important prosecutions ( or wouldn’t prosecute ) and refuses to prosecute looters and the vandals who desecrated St Patricks Cathedral .
Reb Eliezer 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
Reb Eliezer, be careful what you wish for. New York has no real interest in Trump’s taxes , other than to force him to do something he was under no legal obligation to do. That’s why I felt he was right to fight against release.. I understand that you dislike Trump, but giving local government the ability to pry into your affairs without cause is something we will all regret
They’re open in Pennsylvania.