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Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
I can’t recall any members of Biden administration with any significant positions. I think there are 2 that rhyme ending with en, but they look the same, hard to tell which one is jewish. Obama had maybe a couple. Most Republicans had lots of colorful figures, including Trump the first. Trump II looks to be interesting
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantMany girls should not be marrying that early, they can use this time to acquire a profession or do some chesed… but some say that seminary is the most important item on the shidduch resume: some think that lack of it means lack of observance, others simply use type of the seminary to understand the derech and wouldn’t look further without this indicator.
November 18, 2024 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2333510Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantYou had to reveal this?@ now some people when they hear someone having a smicha from r Moshe would ask – what year?
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantShe doesn’t need to logout and keep us worrying about her and her family. I’d rather hear what her rebbe and council have to say. Maybe she can help others with this information.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantSomeone just became a bokeh in Maharal, r Hirsh, r Soloveitchik and r Kook. Nes gadol.
November 17, 2024 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm in reply to: Day of Tefila Today from the Moatzos Gedolei Hatorah #2333346Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantas you perfectly know, there are Talmidei Chachamim with different opinions on the subject. So, you either happened to be born in a shul with a certain opinion or you chose to follow a certain gadol.
I have no problem with different shitos, and I was just highlighting that the kol koreh was not described clearly in the article, when saying ” have issued a call for Klal Yisroel in the Diaspora to unite with our brethren in Eretz Yisroel” . Some people may think that this is in support of whole brethren in EY, while in fact it is in support of brethren who refuse to go to Tzahal. So, I just wanted to make sure readers understand the context and join or not accordingly.
I don’t think you would like people to join a kol koreh without understand what it stands for, do you?
November 17, 2024 10:16 am at 10:16 am in reply to: Tutoring in Yeshivot in EY – A LOSE/LOSE DEAL #2332709Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantTeaching Torah without pay seems to be the best way of teaching. As you already show great level of bitachon, being in kollel and such – why do you find this a problem. And I do not understand why you got offended by the student who offered you shekalim. You could have simply showed him to the pushka or suggest to give it someone who needs it, giving him one more lesson in Torah-appropriate behavior.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipanteshis, you seem to be coming with the same question annually. It strongly suggest that your methods, following your mother’s methods, may be bordering on abuse. Please find the nicest Rabbi in your community and consult him. I do not understand why you didn’t seek advice earlier.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantObviously, Jews, like everyone else, lived in close proximity with animals, from dogs to cows to donkeys to goats and chickens … As long as you follow relevant halochos, you can have an animal. So, the only question is whether the current use as a pet justifies the effort as much as owning a donkey to carry things justified it in previous centuries.
November 17, 2024 10:16 am at 10:16 am in reply to: Am I A Hypocrite? Or Just Plain Selfish? #2332706Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> come from an “Orthodox Shul”
Pre WW2, some American Jews considered European Torahs to be inferior quality. Why was that? Because Europeans would sell good Torahs locally and send worse ones to the Americans … Not sure what the status is now, but I would not be surprised that quality (including of checking) would be lower for customers who are not as good in understanding the quality.
November 17, 2024 10:16 am at 10:16 am in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2332705Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantfakenews, thanks for the explanation. Still hard to understand why people would want to exclude other Yidden from a minyan.
Maybe, if there are financial implications – say, visitors use too much heat, break furniture, and overuse parking lot.
If they feel it is a “factory”, they can run the davening itself as they see proper – slower davening, extra piyutim.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantfirst, lockdown policies were mostly run by states – as they should be.
2nd – your views on lockdowns and similar measures are purely emotional, as overall deaths in USA, where lockdowns were not severe, were higher than in high-income countries with stricter policies.
3rd – public positions of T and others were in some part political – to account for all the emotional responses we all had.The main role for the feds turned out to be vaccine development and delivery, with T succeeded spectacularly, and then B having mixed record delivering and updating vaccines to new variants. T could not run on this success, of course, because a sizeable portion of his voters are against vaccines …
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantThey are in honor of the Tzahal Beltzer navy seal unit.
November 13, 2024 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm in reply to: Day of Tefila Today from the Moatzos Gedolei Hatorah #2332310Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantPlease read carefully and join according to your view – this kol is a mixed message, both asking Hashem to protect Yidden in EY and also asking him to exempt the community from taking part in that defense.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> main thing is that you shouldn’t talk during leining.
Obviously, Wolf is trying to fulfil this by buying his sefer Torah and leining it. Do you think he will be talking between the pesukim?
PS Even AAQ does not talk when called to the Torah, the time I am walking past others to the Torah is usually enough to exchange all the jokes I have for the day.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantok, sounds like all here fulfilled the mitzva of helping goyim to establish justice by voting (and said shehyanu for the first vote), now no need to get yourself into a pretzel trying to guess what T will do. He does not know it, CNN does not know it, and thus Xi and Putin do not know it.
You can daven tefila that Hashem gives wisdom to the rules with extra intensity.November 11, 2024 8:24 am at 8:24 am in reply to: Should bochrim be going to goisheh sport games? #2331378Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantyes, unless the bochur is taller. If he is not looking at all, he will end up bumping into the player, showing both disrespect to umos haoilam and endangering his own health. Of course, walking outside during learning hours was his first problem.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantNeville, you seem to be separating two trends:
1) chassidim directly changing ashkenazi mesora based on sefardi, etc
ok, so we all agree on these
2) differences between central/southern european minhagim with Litvishe.
maybe. why these became the issue? it is either increased contact (Austro-Hungarian empire?) or, maybe more likely, chassidic influence in previously litvishe areas bringing those minhagim in.Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantto illuminate the discussion above:
Rabbi Avi Shafran wrote an article in Jewish Observer about Mendelssohn where he says, exactly as above,> fact that many [frum] people have a visceral, automatic reaction to the name Mendelssohn – for whatever reason.
In 2010 interview, he describes negative reaction from multiple members of Moetses, such as
> In the Novominsker’s response, he wrote that the thing that the article may have accidentally obfuscated was that Mendelssohn’s philosophy is a synthesis, and a synthesis is bad. We can’t have a synthesis, it’s evil, it’s a total perversion of Torah… .. of Torah and secular studies. He then notes that Rav Hirsch’s philosophy is not a synthesis, and that’s why Rav Hirsch is differentR Shafran then explains, in a view similar to mine, that he is not holding Mendelssohn as a halachik authority, but as a Jew who help certain opinions:
> I think that Mendelssohn definitely embraced secular culture more, but he wasn’t a rabbi. In other words, I wasn’t extolling him as a Torah authority. I don’t think the Novominsker Rebbe was really addressing what I was addressing. I wasn’t putting Mendelssohn up as someone to emulate. I made very clear, he wasn’t a rabbi at all, he was a philosopher. He was, you know, his life was in the salons, not in the Beis Midrash. He made no claim otherwise! I was simply saying that as a Jew, we have a totally warped picture of who he was. He wasn’t a freethinking rejector of halacha, who ate treife meat privately. In Boro Park, if you ask them to act out Mendelssohn’s life in private, you know, they’d say: You take a piece of pork, be mechalel shabbos. He was meticulously observant! But [in my view,] he had some hashkafic fine points that didn’t click.
November 11, 2024 8:24 am at 8:24 am in reply to: Imagine if ALL of Klal Yisroel acted this way #2331371Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantpure > Hopefully it would be the same reversed, as we are Jews, driven by the Torah Hakdosha, not just empty politics…
You can look at CR posts in 2020 and 2012 and maybe even 1976 and see what was said then.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantbesalel, good questions on your list are:
> What if your dog scares others? Its a problem in Halocho.
of course, you should not have a dog that scares
> What about castrating the dog? Not really allowed
There are 50% of dogs
> What about tzaar baalei chayim?
hopefully, you train your kids to be nice to the dogs. Hopefully, they’ll transfer this skill to humans
> feed your dog before you eat. For the busy frum yid, its not so pashut.
well, feeding kids for a busy yid is also not pashut.Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantit is a legit question. There is a halakha that a man should not marry during chol hamoed, as not to mix two simchos, but is allowed to re-marry a wife he had previously divorced.
Tosfos explain: only “isha hadasha” is a real simcha …
So, a President re-elect will not have same celebration as the new one …
Also, note that Pres Putin was able to interpret “not more than two presidency” into “no more than two consecutive terms”.
So, why would not T-appointed supreme court interpret constitution the same way and let T run again?November 10, 2024 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm in reply to: Imagine if ALL of Klal Yisroel acted this way #2330924Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> can you imagine some Jewish person thinking an election outcome is something they should consider important?
Can you imagine gemoras discussing how someone became a king or an emperor?
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantI’d rather be in this thread than in the one about presidential candidates.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantmy wish list is short:
1) do not do anything crazy
2) reduce the power of the presidency
Not that I do not have any wishes, I am just confident Pres T will pursue them.I think many people here would agree with (1). But let me expound on (2):
All the heat coming from Presidential elections is due to the fact that Presidents became responsible for everything – both things that used to belong to the states as federal government became more powerful; and also for policies that used to be done into laws by Congress that is lately stuck at neutral.This is unhealthy. As I heard from one Rav: it is not healthy to be “a Jew in heart”. You want to distribute your mitzvos to all part of the body – hand tefilin, mouth kosher, etc. Keeping all “in heart” may lead to a heart attack, H’V. Same for Presidency – if we let states collect taxes, do roads, medical insurance and student loans, then the presidential elections will be about wars, tariffs, and supreme courts – and most people do not even care about these things. States and towns will compete with each other on other issues and people who don’t like their local government can just move to another one.
November 7, 2024 10:00 am at 10:00 am in reply to: Imagine if ALL of Klal Yisroel acted this way #2330530Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantBeautiful.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> Bash? No.
Are we going to have linux flavor wars now!?
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantGadol > How many hundreds of years does it take to officially “have a real Mesorah” ?
A good question. 3 generations? We have examples when innovations were introduced openly – writing down Torah she b’alpe, beis knesses after beis hamikdash, and it has to be acknowledged as such.
Reminds of a story of a teenager in Ashdod who left his kibutznik father and stayed in a yeshiva. When the father accused the Rav that he encourages the son not to follow customs of his father, the Rav responded: the son is changing the ways of the father, same way the father changed the way of the grandfather – so he is following his father’s custom.
November 7, 2024 10:00 am at 10:00 am in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2330527Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantGadol > We should greet them with open arms and encourage them to return.
Indeed, and tzadikim do that. I once stayed for shabbos with a talmid of Bobover Rebbe on the way to a math conference. Bobover Rebbe was met by a line of chassidim in shtreimels, but he quickly made a detour to shake my hand despite, or because of, my modernishe garb.
November 7, 2024 10:00 am at 10:00 am in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2330523Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> Lakewood yeshiva is modeled after yeshivos from 200 years ago.
You are falling for a marketing plot. Just because they are also called “yeshivos”, does not mean that hashkofos are the same, forget about the hats. I posted how students in Mir looked above.
November 7, 2024 9:59 am at 9:59 am in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2330496Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> Artscroll is by frum yidden, not by the founder of Reform Judaism.
This seems to be a uniquely American slant on Mendehlson, both by O- and R-. He was not Reform, and I don’t think even his children and students were – they simply baptized, like multitudes of others who were not his students. He happened to live at the time when modernity was a new subject and he looked for a response. Others disagreed. Looking back – were his opponents right? I am not sure. We can, as well, “blame” mass conversions and apikorusus of that generation on the Rabbis of that generation who were not able to properly engage with the times. See threat on Chassidus as one possible response. I put blame in quotes, because those were extra-ordinary times and we are still looking for right responses.
November 7, 2024 9:59 am at 9:59 am in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2330487Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantNeville > What I don’t understand is the outright opposition to doing our own thing–the insistence that we MUST base ourselves off the goyim in some capacity. Where does that come from?
that’s a good question and an answer may depend on circumstances. When we are under pressure, we surely to resist in all matters. Dressing in togas while Roman army is occupying EY was probably frowned upon. When we are in a benevolent society, as multiple teshuvot talk in regards to voting, we are still concerned about assimilation, but we also have more opportunities to engage constructively with the world. As R Soloveichik is writing: if we hold that we are representatives of Hashem’s truth in the World – should we hiding in caves from the world, or should we try to engage with it. My clarification: when you learn about Tannaim interacting with Romans, you are not emulating them – they dealt with current (for them) events, and we learn it as history. We emulate them when we deal with current events.
November 7, 2024 9:59 am at 9:59 am in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2330467Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantNeville > You didn’t have to go to the top 1% back 100 years ago–or even 50 years ago–to find respectably dressed goyim.
Well, sort of. This is along the lines of R Avigdor Miller that old books had more morals. I am not sure this applies to lower classes. Many were totally ignorant and drunk, depends on the country somewhat. They may have had bulkier dresses but they also had houses to raise children of unmarried low classes. Not sure whether this matters, we agree that the standard needs to be higher than “average”, proper to someone meeting a King. Surely, a peasant is not at that level in the old society, whether he wore a hat and socks or not.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantas I mentioned, this is because of a biased correction. If they would have simply missed some groups, then all polls would be off by 2% but there would be variation between polls and for same poll over time. As some analysts noticed, the polls stayed suspiciously synchronized and stable over time.
What can we learn from this? Sometimes, we can apply good thinking but be burdened by unjustified assumptions that bias us towards certain opinion that we hold historically, or because we were raised in a certain hashkofa, or because it is comfortable … We need to always analyze our intellectual biases. It is often hard to do on your own. A lot of analysis in Bavli is about that type of discussion. And, hopefully, discussions here, when done in a right way, help us to see issues from different perspectives.
November 6, 2024 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2330010Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantStudents from the Mir Yeshiva, 1938
ttps://encyclopedia.yivo.org/media/963Iraqi Jews early 20th century
https://breakingmatzo.com/wp-content/uploads/Iraqi_Jews.jpgAlways_Ask_QuestionsParticipantThere might be over-estimation of Ds, BUT the data is corrected after that – and this year they are correcting using more factors than before. This is in theory more accurate, but can introduce a bias as the correction is based on some assumptions about voting population. Ok, you might reasonably assume that ratio of D and R voters will be same as last time (will it?), but when you also include age, area, income, etc – your assumptions essentially guide your polling correction.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIt is not just mobile phones, response rates are now very low. One way to deal with it is to re-weight results using demographics to account for non-random responses. Previous weighting by a small number of factors – party, age, gender, education, etc – was proven not to be sufficient when alliances change, like with Trump. So, this year pollsters seem to be using more weighting. As some researchers point out that because of this increased weighting current polling is abnormally stable over time and, at some point, reflects your weighting assumptions instead of actual voter preferences. So, at this point, there are 2 possible outcomes: or vote will be indeed very close and take long time to sort out, or one of the candidates is way ahead and polls systematically made the same error. In the latter case, it is more likely that T was “misunderestimated” but there is no guarantee that there was not a over-compensation the other way. Note that campaigns have way more internal data and you can try getting clues by where the candidates are campaigning at the end – defending their own or attacking in new areas.
November 5, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2329653Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantNeville> I’ve not seen convincing evidence that this means we model ourselves after the goyim,
We have photos of both sephardim and ashkenazim from 100+ years ago. Most of them dress like locals. I don’t know what the “modern” position is, but my personal is that we need to use not “average” goyishe dress, but top 1 to 10% – those who are eligible to see the King. Obviously, Polish peasants did not wear charedi dress, poritzim did. Of course, there were Jews who dressed like peasants, but it is not the standard for us.
> great Papa Bar Abba once remarked in one of these CR discussions, all of religion is one big “no true Scotsman” shmooze
Who am I to argue with the rishonim … I am not even an aharon … We just to define who the SCotsman are. I am defining them as Talmidei Chachamim who have a grasp of Torah, you seem to define them as those who follow exactly same derech. As, say, R Moshe, R Soloveichik, Lubaviche Rebbe were respectful of each other, I would include all of them – and those how any of them respected – into the circle.
>> “as we developed more sophisticated ways to deal with modernity.”
> Which is what? Surrendering to secularism and liberal academia?I think every reasonable response that we have now is more effective than what was there 200 years ago – whether it is lakewood yeshiva, bays yaakov, or chabad houses, or Ohr Sameach, or modern day schools. Note that there is no tension right now between science and Torah as ideology. In certain times, there was. Many rabonim objected to Mendelhson translation as it led to Jews learning hochdeutsche and that to mixed dancing. Anyone is objecting to Artscroll nowadays? I personally try teaching children that Torah is by Jews but yesh chochma b’goyim, and it is not a problem to learn chochma. And then train them to separate chochma from liberal and secular stuff by discussing every issue and defining what the Torah outlook on that issue is.
November 5, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am in reply to: Leftist Wonderland: Where Logic Takes a Holiday #2329632Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantxCTL > Fafsa is only open to US Citizens
I don’t think so, green card and refugees, for sure, and asylum seekers with valid docs also.
November 5, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am in reply to: Leftist Wonderland: Where Logic Takes a Holiday #2329630Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantNeville > , but this traditionally was not true.
college prices go up way higher than inflation, and private higher than public, so do the math (if you took it).
My experience is with ASU and U of FL, their prices are lower than comparable private in midwest and northeast. It may be different in other places.
Also, online now is highly competitive – as the competitor is just a click away.November 5, 2024 11:00 am at 11:00 am in reply to: Leftist Wonderland: Where Logic Takes a Holiday #2329626Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantkeith > where they are beginning to accept aboriginal mythology as equivalent to science!
even if this is true, you don’t HAVE TO (so far) to tka it, you can take normal science. As xCTL says, educated parents can help student take reasonable classes at reasonable prices.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> how could any of minhag lita that is based on the Gra exist before the Gra?
How is debatable that Chassidim changed minhagim – whether in Lita or other places also? I don’t think any chassidim disagree with. Community separation went beyond davening – separate kehillot and shehita, leading to decrease in community income from taxes on meat and candles, etc.
I am not learned enough to evaluate how Gra’s changes relate to Chassidut. I’ve read that some of the R Chaim Volozhiner work is a response to chassidut, and I think mussar might be influenced also, but do not about the Gra.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> Bare in mind
Can we not have pornography on this site?! Even in mind
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantBaki, if you are addressing someone in particular with this generic statement, maybe you should refer to that statement. I am sure you are pointing at a line on your screen, but we do not see that.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantqwerty > but it’s true that there’s reward and punishment.
so, what is your reading of this story where some incompetent people almost lost this boy who came on their own and Chabad was able to help him? Make fun that you think their philosophy was not up to your standards? R Dessler writes that every person is trying to ascend up the “sulam Yaakov”; people differ at where they are; and also what tools they have; and those who do not have appropriate tools would use any tool they can find. Same applies to those who are trying to help. If someone saves you form drowning – would you sue them for hurting you during CPR?
November 3, 2024 9:42 am at 9:42 am in reply to: Leftist Wonderland: Where Logic Takes a Holiday #2328970Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantFor good, but not top level students, look at quality out-of-state state colleges, preferably online version.
These colleges look for out-of-states, as their in-state enrollment is limited to state subsidies. So, you benefit from their reputation, earned by in-state selectivity, pay more than in state, but still way less than comparable private. Online gets you another 50% discount.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantI had a question on Rambam that, turns out, others had to – was not Rambam supported by his brother David? So, a close reading of a letter from Rambam describing his feelings after his brother disappeared in Indian ocean shows that:
1) David was trading on the property that partly belonged to Rambam
2) David himself was Rabmab’s sharp student in TorahSo, their arrangement was a joint venture between two T’Ch, not a Z/Y.
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipanta better question would be – what are we doing to support T’Ch the proper way – by giving them a priority in business and partnering with them in business. I used to buy esrogim from talmidei chachamim, some were old, others were young, but this practice seems to end in our locality. Any financial advisors that would take T’Ch’ money with no fee? Any real estate agents that will rent out their apartments?
Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> Who do you think was supporting the educational system set in place by Yehoshua ben Gamla?
Community funds supported teachers for little children with prescribed maximums of students per teacher. These teachers were, ideally, not doing anything except caring for the children. There is one example in Bava Basra of a teacher who went to look at his garden after 13 years and was still thinking of students. Another in Bava Mtz, I think, of a teacher who skipped teaching another rav’s kids because he had a fantastic crop of fruits – and is reprimanded for that. More importantly, this discussion in Bava Basra depicts several methods that were tried. Clearly, the preference was for the method that worked, not for some preconceived idea. And it took seemingly a number of generations to figure it out. So, we should also be open to experimentation.
> Yissocher and Zevulan predate even that.
I am not sure what is historical here, but it is a volunteer contract between two people. Not a request for charity (difference explain in SA and by R Moshe). Often, between relatives or brothers. Vayikra Rabbah 25:2. Hillel was not supported by his brother Shavna … Mechaber seems to be explaining in a teshuva that this is allowed in extreme poverty.It seems that some version of Midrash and Rambam understand Y/Z as the earner (active partner) using assets of the learner (passive partner) in his business, not just working on his behalf.
I agree that we lack people who work half day and learn half day. I do know, though, a number of full-time employed engineers and professors who are clearly T’Ch. I did not have a chance to ask them how many hours a day they learn. Some of them may not know everything that a F/T learner of the same intellect does, but, at the same time, they know some things that the F/T learners do not.
There is also something that works in both directions: a T’Ch when he engages in business is able to earn quick and easy money and go back to learning. Similar,y someone who has good professional skills, can understand a sugya much faster. I agree that we do not have enough people in the “golden middle” that Rambam seems to suggest – as in other middos. Maybe someone got to be like Rambam to reach that.
November 3, 2024 9:42 am at 9:42 am in reply to: ‘No Hat, No Jacket, No Davening?’: A Shul’s Sign Challenges Unity #2328966Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantOC 91:6
off the bat, it says this is derech chachamim and talmideichem .. here, the argument seems to be circular or at least aspirational: let’s all wear black hats and voilà, we are T’Ch. Could it be that some people who come to shul are not T’Ch or at least are modest enough not to consider themselves as such?2nd, atufim – is this a hat or a turban? Or as Rava b’ R Huna in Shabbat 10 – socks ? I am all in for requiring socks in shul, by the way.
3rd, as DaMoshe mentions, everyone refers to the standard of the time of what is respectful clothing. We seem to have a machlokes here what is considered “standard of the time” – something that is respectable in the general society (not “average” rapper, but average professor or congressman, John Fetterman excluded) or should we go by the standards of the current Jewish community. Would you agree with this?
I have to note that referring to the Jewish community standard, this becomes “no true Scotsman” fashion. You simply declare that your community is the standard and, thus, everyone else is in violation of OC and are, thus, not proper community. Of course, at some point – probably 18th century, Yidden clearly adopted standard Polish dress and then (some) refused to change it. I personally think that wearing 18th century jacket was a reasonable idea when 19th century jacket represented haskala and there was a good reason to stand firm against it. I do not think, though, that we are still in the same boat, as we developed more sophisticated ways to deal with modernity. Reasonable people can disagree here, of course.
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