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@Coffee addict said “ I’m surprised that out of 50 states the only states to have “cases in schools” is NY and NJ
Don’t tell me other states are closing schools because they’re not…”
Actually, schools have been closing in the Midwest (plenty in Montana, Wisconsin, and both Dakotas) and the south. I know plenty of people who live ‘Out of Town’ but not in those places.
Otherwise, I can agree. Just recently 2 towns surrounding Lakewood closed their parks to lessen the spread of COVID. It was “pure coincidence“ that it started right at the beginning of חול המועד and they are reopening now. And in the meantime, the websites are publishing photos of people sneaking into a side entrance while the police blocked the main entrance (and directed traffic). The hatred posted on these sites in unreal. Yes, this is Golus, but comments relating back to Germany?!
And there is a lot of compliance going on in Lakewood. Schools, shuls, stores, plenty of masks. At least as many as in goyish areas in nearby towns, maybe even more. But it only takes a few people, a few photos, and they are looking to shut everything down.
@Syag, sorry to not reply sooner, it was a busy few days. Yserbius said it already. The germ can get through, but it is encased in spittle, which can’t.
And to anyone saying that they don’t hear doctors saying to wear a mask, you find me one surgeon who operates without wearing one. That’s all the proof I need that masks prevent germs.
Xtians (including Catholics) believe abortion is a sin based on the 10 commandments. Almost all are pro-life, based on their belief that Hashem made the decision to put them in that situation.
The rest of the goyim don’t believe in G-d, or just don’t care enough about religion, so they’re aborting children produced out of marriage or born into situations where they don’t have faith to help them through. As a result, they don’t care, anything goes because it’s legal. But I would not want to be judged on their beliefs.
@Meno- “how does your mask know…,”
Let’s play a game outside with our kids. You need a hose, 2 pieces of cloth folded into at least double thickness (or use a cloth mask), and 4 buckets.
1. Spray water into bucket for 5 seconds.
2. Hold cloth as a shield 1/2” in front of bucket, spray hose so it only hits cloth (not direct into buckets).
3. Hold a piece of cloth half an inch away from the hose (bucket not blocked), and spray through fill bucket for 5 seconds.
4. Now hold 1 cloth like a shield an inch from hose, and another as a shield in front of bucket.
How much water was stopped in bucket 4?
The mask might not stop 100%, but I bet the chances of the bucket filling are much lower.
And that’s why both sides need masks.
KGN, I would suggest Baltimore or further out of town over Lakewood, especially for younger families. Of course, I’m saying that as someone with children I’m high school, and as the years go by and admissions get tougher, I am more afraid for friends with younger children.
“Women don’t have to go to shul”
True, but I‘m guessing the ones that go are less likely to חַס וְשָׁלוֹם have children off the derech.July 23, 2020 10:12 am at 10:12 am in reply to: Why does the government give benefits to kollel yungerleit? #1885819
On one hand, we should be proud of the yungerleit for choosing to learn, and for a short term it is no different than those going to college.
That being said… Yidden have survived passing on the Torah for thousands of years without lifelong kollels. Men learned after work and when their children went to bed. And while sitting and learning was once a luxury for only the richest, now every girl is convinced that she needs a learning boy, and that the poverty is a worthy sacrifice. And while learning is admirable, I really wonder how many boys feel called to learn, while others are there because it’s the “right thing to do” or because of pressure from family and the community. And the boys that are there should be grateful that people care enough to sponsor their learning, instead of feeling entitled.
But there is a thin line between choosing to live in poverty and forcing that lifestyle on your children. I grew up in Teaneck, so English was my primary language. I learned a variety of subjects at school.
So if you’re going to accept help, and I have no issue with that, people should be taught that they must help later as well. A kollel is not a college with tuition up front. The boys are getting a solid education for free, and should be willing to pay it back by personally donating instead of expecting the government.
Above all, strive to be better than the previous generations.
According to Detroit’s own records, police have knocked 44 people unconscious in the last 5 years with neck kneels. You fall unconscious when the lack of oxygen/ blood to your brain is limited, and continued pressure/ lack of oxygen and blood could definitely kill you. Yes, adding stress/ heart issues/ possible drugs could make it happen faster.
Keep in mind police would be trained in the necessary pressure points, unlike your friend. But I wouldn’t try again because him accidentally shifting his weight could chas v’shalom cause severe injury.July 1, 2020 12:54 am at 12:54 am in reply to: Frum non profit organizations disclosing financials. #1878321
I believe they should know where the money goes. Not specifics, but definitely what the total intake was, what percentage was given out to the community, and maybe even the highest employees salaries if they exceed a certain percentage of the intake.
Disclosure keeps everything honest, and while I know the vast majority of frum charities have nothing to worry about compared to other non-profits, it is still important to be seen as honest. If a company is managing their money poorly, I would rather give to a charity where I know the community is benefiting.
The answer to this, and half the world’s problems, is in one piece of advice: You don’t have to respect someone, but you have to treat them with respect.
This means you also don’t have to like or agree with them. You don’t have to be their friend. You don’t even need to get into lunchtime talks with them. But you need to be respectful. Greet them, help them if they need assistance, don’t show hatred. If they talk about seeing their boyfriend or attending a pride rally, try to excuse yourself. Explain that you don’t discuss your out-of work activities or beliefs on company time, and you’d rather they do the same.
In your heart, feel free to dislike them, but not outwardly judge them. Most of this world’s problems, especially lately, are due to intolerance.
“I think, therefore I am”
Sorry, but you only have to turn on your news channel or look out the window to find plenty of people who do not think, yet still exist.
It’s hard to believe, but Lakewood used to be an OOT community too.
Looking for something cheap? In the words of R. Lefkowitz, become a shtikel pioneer. In the words of some baseball movie I never saw, “if you build it, they will come”.
I have seen the dangers of remote learning, most kids need the social interaction. But homeschooling has many more options than just online learning. Pick a town with in Middleofnowhere, USA with a shul and a mikvah, and start it becoming the next Lakewood. Future generations will thank you.
Do we have to stop at mosquitoes or can we take out wasps/ hornets as well? We need bumblebees and honeybees, but the other types are just mean.
Some great advice here, some not so great. If a woman allows the man to ask all the questions and lead the conversation, she will come off as uninterested. Some boys don’t know how to make conversation. It’s up to you to keep it going.
In some ways, I worry the community has failed you. 26 is a perfect age to marry- it gives you time to learn who you are (human brain keeps developing until early 20’s). It gives you time to have a good education, good friends, and good memories/ experiences.
You will find your bashert. It may be next year, it may be in 3 years. Hashem knows who it is, and I believe that he is preparing that perfect husband for you. When the time is right, you will find him and have that dream life. And if not, that is Hashem’s ultimate plan, and you will find happiness in His wisdom.
Milhouse- <i> There is only one medical examiner. If you mean Ben Crump’s hired quack, then yes, anyone working for Crump is NOT independent, and must be presumed to be lying whenever their lips are moving. </I>
Because someone working for the police has never lied? They need to paint him in a bad light to justify killing him. He was an addict, it was bound to happen because of his bad heart.
The 2nd autopsy was done by a team- Crump’s examiner (Baden- used in other cases of brutality like Garner, and Wilson- forensic pathologist for Uni of Minn). In both cases, whether seen as heart or asphyxiation, it was ruled a homicide. Unless we get a 3rd (4th, and 5th) autopsy to confirm the first 2, we don’t know which is true except that it was homicide, and that Chauvin used a tactic that was neither recommended by MPD, and purposely used long enough to kill him. His knee was still compressing Floyd after EMS arrived.
Milhouse- define “sane”. Most competent people know this was murder. Minn police claim they don’t teach kneeling on necks, although their police tactics book online includes it. However, it states only if the suspect is exhibiting aggressive behavior or actively resisting arrest. Neither applied here.
I am not sure the initial kneeling is a crime, although I believe it’s wrong. But staying on Floyd, taunting him, and then not even moving after EMS showed up was a willful disregard of Floyd’s life. Whether heart attack or asphyxiation, even the medical examiners knew it was murder.
I am truly broken-hearted about this. While we don’t have evidence ‘this’ attack was racial, the officer has a history of more force with blacks, as well as several complaints (and we know for every complaint made, many more go unsaid).
And you should be furious. As I posted elsewhere, racism and anti-semitism are more closely related than you think. Both communities are looked down upon by your average goyim. Both seem to get into a lot more legal trouble (frum for minyanim/ building yeshivas/ Medicare or welfare) more than average white america. The only difference is that you won’t see a cop kneeling on a Jewish man’s neck. You won’t hear that police broke into a frum family’s house and shot an innocent woman (Breonna Taylor) because they had a no-knock warrant (their body cams were off, and there’s a lot of evidence that didn’t match the story they told).
They are right to protest. The only issue is the rioters. And there may be more blacks looting, but there are many whites smashing windows, setting off fireworks in a crowd, and throwing things at officers. They may be the same people from the “Other 98%” (Occupy Wall St) looking to damage corporate America. They could be frustrated at being locked up for so long and just want to destroy.
The brutality has gone on for too long. The police have protected each other instead of allowing the few bad cops to be arrested and fired before someone dies. Whether or not this is racial, changes have to be made. I hope it happens peacefully, but history has always shown that unless someone is greatly affected, change doesn’t happen.May 19, 2020 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm in reply to: Can someone explain to me why some frum people are cavalier about corona virus #1862384
Because people don’t want to think they are vulnerable. They hear that the mortality rate is 5%, and of that number, 80% or higher are seniors (in other words, a 1% chance for general population), and believe they’re safe. After all, a regular flu kills x number a year, and we don’t stop living for that.
Furthermore, many people believe that religion automatically keeps them safe. “G-d would never punish people during a minyan. Coronavirus only affects bad people. The bochurim are learning Hashem’s word. He will protect them”.
Otherwise, they recognize that being locked away alone is not living, and would rather enjoy life regardless of the risks.
I assume you mean Huju’s comment about people living within their means? I didn’t take that to mean assassinate half their family. Perhaps not have them in the first place, or find cheaper ways to educate them. Look at Lakewood. Each person is paying 5+ tuitions to keep their kids in private school. If everyone put their kids in public schools, they’d have at least a 6:1 ratio- 20 frum students and 3-4 goyim. But they’re worried about outside influences!! If anything, the peer pressure to do as well as the other frum kids would override the other kids’ ideas. Let them learn basic math/ English for elementary school, and when we reach the point where the bad influences really start (middle school, age 10-11), then move them to a private school. That $20k/ year can go towards the wedding expenses that this thread is about, or towards basic needs.
That being said, I do love your sarcastic answers. Every time I i see you made a recent post, i have to read it.
@mods- please let me apologize. I realized what was being said, and it was entirely my own fault. The page freezes and reloads every time I try and post a message, and I was likely trying to write you/ she had faith, but it doesn’t let me see what I type because of the delay. Those were my words and I didn’t mean to accuse you.
In the beginning, it was spread that only the goyim were taken.
Then it was only the sinners.
Then it was only those that disobeyed precautions.
Then it was the Pure (ignoring all those previous goyim sinners that defied the rules).
Maybe we can learn to accept that Corona doesn’t discriminate
@wolf- certainly not!! Joseph made a silly argument that if Frum families assassinated the family members they couldn’t afford, yeshiva and killed populations would be cut in half. I made the equally silly (but correct) argument that if yeshivas and kollels killed half their population, then their population would be cut in half.
@Mods- if you are going to edit my posts, kindly do so only to correct my spelling mistakes (CTL, their, kollels), not to add your personal thoughts on yoSheu. It may be a lovely addition, but my words/ thoughts are my own. Either write your own post or at the very least, distinguish your thoughts in bold red moderator font. Thanks for all you do to keep the board rolling.
@joseph If the yeshivas and kollels would assassinate theit population, then yeshiva and killed populations would be cut in half.
CYL- in all seriousness, I do believe that even though the small wedding is COVID related, Hashem has still provided an answer for you. Not that COVID was made just so you had an escape, but that your granddaughter chose to get married at this time and under these new circumstances, after yoSheu had faith that things would work as Hashem saw fit.
Did you hear about the latest Coronavirus video? I heard it went viral.
I could tell you a really funny Coronavirus joke, but you probably won’t get it.
Joseph and Charlie, dwelling on a past that our ancestors were probably not around for will only continue to breed hate. Why keep it up?
I’m tired of seeing people blame others for the mistakes of their ancestors. Two of my grandparents were immigrants. Grandma was born in Germany. Should I become a “self-hair f Jew” because of what people believe? Maybe it’s different because I grew up with stories of how her Xtian neighbors his Frum families to keep them safe, and so we can’t hate an entire ethnicity because of the actions of some.
But try saying that in a Yeshiva, and see how quickly you will end up in the office. Most people are more interested in perpetuating the hate than in moving past the sins of the (grand)father. Time to let go.
4 more years of people chanting “not my president” and millions spent on another impeachment trial.
Newsflash- you don’t have to support him, but as long as you’re on American soil he is, in fact, your president.
I live near Lakewood (Gov Murphy). If the planet rotated a bit differently, then yes, my world would revolve around 5 Boros.
But when it comes to being a True American, most of us should be ashamed. Someone showed me a video the other day, an American boy and an immigrant. The immigrant could answer questions about our country that the American couldn’t, and I’m sure many people here can’t either.
CTL, forgive me for banning you from answering. How many people here can tell me how many people serve in the House of Representatives? Who takes over leader ship if chas v’shalom Trump and Pence are unable? When was the constitution signed?
These are all questions on the USA citizenship test, but do we know the answer? Do people realize how important it is to stay involved in politics beyond our president?
As Yuda asked, when will the Jews realize they are Jews, not Americans? Hopefully people can realize they’re both before it’s too late.
At least a dozen tweets, using the following words or phrases
They’re starting with a great economy. Maybe even the best economy.
I inherited a broken system, and I’m giving them…
Tremendous support to get here today.
Those people, I’m not mentioning names, would’ve stopped america from what it is today.
I’ve always gotten along with them.
Those nasty people in the press are reporting…
When I won it was a tremendous victory, but
No president ever did that before
Let’s see if —— can keep up the tariffs from China like I did.
The best economy ever when I was president.
Why is the virus known as COVID-19? Because there were 18 other Coronaviruses out there. Just check an older Lysol canister and you’ll see it listed.
This wasn’t “invented “ by the Chinese. To say it was takes away the power of HaShem, who created all things, and is aware of everything that happens as a result. We can be upset that China didn’t handle the situation as they should’ve. But everything that happens is beyond our control and theirs.April 3, 2020 6:08 am at 6:08 am in reply to: Why do so many continue to ignore restrictions on gatherings and travel #1846613
These stories bring me such pain. It is a combination of ignorance (believing it can’t happen to you even as your neighbors fall ill) and selfishness.
Joseph- I agree that there is 99% compliance in the community. You’ve never seen Lakewood so quiet.
Eliezer- there are plenty of letters signed by doctors and rabbis saying it’s chillul HaShem, staying over and over not to visit family for Pesach, how to handle levaya and shiva, no shul/ minyan/ any other gathering. If people aren’t listening, pointing it out again won’t change them.
I wish that we could call it fake news. Unfortunately, the papers have now been posting the names and streets of each event, now including all attendees that were ticketed. I can only hope that they happen to have the same names, as I can’t imagine someone I know disregarding the law, and lashon hara means I’m better off never questioning it.
Just a few minutes ago I ended a call with “it was lovely to talk to you, but I really need to get going. Hope we can talk again soon”. You’d be amazed how many people remember one more thing to tell you quick, and you end up on the phone for 20 minutes more. When talking to those friends, I start the call with “I can only talk for 15 minutes, and then I need to (excuse”, so that when the time is up I don’t feel bad about getting off the phone.
Remember that more people are using delivery, which is good, but it makes the delivery wait longer.
Much more importantly, the longer the virus continues, the more workers either become ill or stay home from fear/ kids/ immune issues. Now you have less people packing and delivering, and the lines get longer still.
I hope this is a troll post. There are girls out there davening nightly to find a good chosson, and then this poster saying “they’re 24 and tall. They can’t afford to be picky anymore”.
I’d rather my daughter marry at 30 than end up with a man who insists she should settle for him instead of with the respectful husband she deserves.
Joseph- trust me, I’d rather be late than get a ticket, which would make me late anyway. And lately, I think the entire town went colorblind and thinks that red means go.
I could’ve picked “getting all their kids from various stops”, “did you hear about the new cholent“, or “stayed too late at shul”. Never a good enough excuse for the accidents that happen here daily.
(If you check the Lakewood scoop, there are weekly videos)
Because the traffic is ridiculous and if you drive normally, you’ll reach your destination by tomorrow.
And yet, they’re still building townhouses that put 4+ Cars each on the street.
Only if this thread is in shul and I’m supposed to be davening.
I love how the greatest concern is mesirah. It’s okay to call a tow truck if we don’t involve the police. No worries that a frum yid is paying 5 tuitions and has no money to spend on towing fees.
I’m not saying you’re wrong for calling. Trust me, I would do the same, especially to repeat offenders. I’m just saying that if your only consideration is whether you’re harming a goy or fellow yidden, you’re hurting the community.
To those of us saying “Not our heroes”.
I’m sorry, but the fact that this entire site is written English/ Hebrew/ Yiddish and NOT in German (or completely non-existent at all) is enough reason to consider American/ English soldiers my heroes.
@Pepper- you must’ve been quite a character there. At the very least, you made it memorable.
@mod, I understand removing info from the original post, but why ask ‘which thread’ as an edit? It makes just as much sense to comment and bump it up. Forgive my curiosity.
Call me a flu shot anti-vaxxer. Don’t get me wrong, my kids have gotten every vaccine the doctor has recommended, including the flu shot on a few occasions.
I believe my last flu shot was 13+ years ago. I’ve had 2 cases of bronchitis, several of strep, and a few other equally unpleasant illnesses, but B”H I have not gotten the flu.
I own a townhouse with a double-wide driveway. The 2 spots in front of my garage are mine. You’d be surprised how many people don’t get it. When the neighbors friends are waiting for him to come out, I don’t bother unless I happen to be leaving anyway. But I have also told a delivery truck that they either need to move their vehicle in the next 5 minutes, or pay the $60 fee for me missing my appointment. My other neighbor has had it worse, she has woken up half the neighborhood banging on the door of her shared driveway because they blocked her in overnight. Several times.
Are these different people every time, or one guy dropping off his wife weekly? I would walk out and ask if he’s lost or needing assistance, if he asks at that point you can reply that he can stay for now but in the future this is a private driveway.August 28, 2019 12:32 pm at 12:32 pm in reply to: Should Wedding gowns for the extended family be discontinued? #1780921
My bubbe wore the same dress to my wedding, my brother’s, my uncle’s, my cousin’s, and my neighbor’s.
In between all of those, she wore a new dress to my other brother’s wedding. We joked that we knew who the favorite was. But it was most certainly tznius and didn’t cost nearly what some kallah’s mothers spend on something to wear once.August 28, 2019 12:32 pm at 12:32 pm in reply to: Why do some Americans not eat the OU hechsher in E”Y? #1780913
Dr. Todd said “hotels run by frum but disorganized mashgichim, including some heimeshe hotels, cannot be trusted.”
Very true. I worked for a popular north jersey bakery many years ago, goyish owned with a mashgiach, and while they were quite careful about keeping kosher, the mashgiach was not kosher at all (ate cheeseburgers) and found it amusing. I was young and afraid to say anything though it bothers me now.
By that mentality, why teach lessons at all? Pull out every stop sign in Lakewood (I assure you, people aren’t looking at them anyway).
Thankfully the thread here seems to understand that we need some basic safety. If you are wearing a life vest, in a boat without severe waves, no storms, etc, and something happens, it was meant to be. Otherwise, we need to look and see what safety could be improved upon.
In the meantime, (and I apologize for being rude), why did the mod have to add an edit instead of typing a comment under his own screen name?
I don’t understand your question
The increase will destroy many small businesses because they won’t make up for the lost expenses.
A lot of middle class people will not get a raise, and will suffer from higher prices. The pizza shop laid off an employee to afford the new higher wages and now they charge the average family more, so the family eats out less often. The ones that do make more are going to put it towards higher tuitions because teachers also need a raise, and still not spend it in shops. The poor people aren’t saying “hey, how about we shop in those little mom and pop stores now that they have some cash,”, so the owners don’t benefit anyway.August 4, 2019 7:45 am at 7:45 am in reply to: “Kiddush Hashem” Does Not Mean Looking Good by the Goyim #1769088
It doesn’t, but if one can bring glory to Hashem while looking good to the goyim, then go for it. Be polite. Don’t let your kids run amok. Look for ways to get along with your neighbors.
Because the opposite looks bad to both goyim and to Hashem. People who are rude, break laws, etc. get into the news and on Facebook, they make everyone look bad, and where is the holiness in that?
It’s up to every Yid to life an upright and respectable life. That will both look good to Goyim and bring glory to Hashem.
I have said the same as Redleg. Find a way to rent a larger building, and put one school in each wing or each floor. They could split rent and utilities.
When parents don’t pay, they shouldn’t embarrass the kids. Let all children to take the test, and hand out all envelopes at the end, with either an admission card or a bill. Split children into various rooms, some that have testing and some don’t, so that kids aren’t noticing everyone who isn’t there).
I don’t blame the schools. They run a tight budget, and need every penny that the parents agreed to. When they don’t receive it, hard working teachers can’t get paid (risk losing their home/ car/ children’s tuition), and eventually the school may fold. 2 schools in Lakewood recently closed for funding issues. This didn’t just hurt the families who couldn’t pay. Now the families that paid full tuition are scrambling to get their daughters into a new school, teachers are looking for new jobs, etc.
If you couldn’t pay rent or a car payment, they would take away your home/ car. If you were to eat groceries or put on store clothes and not pay when you leave, it’s stealing. And it’s hard, because if you sit down and add up the cost of rent with utilities, food, car/ bus, expenses (clothes/ medical), and 4 tuitions, you’ll realize that it’s unaffordable, but your child can’t be uneducated because of that. And too much has to change for people to fix the system.July 15, 2019 6:38 am at 6:38 am in reply to: ICE Sweeps…It’s not just Brown and Hispanics being rounded up for deportation #1758111
I would be thrilled to see the “true criminals” rounded up. Those people convicted of drug/ assault/ murder charges , and perhaps even the officials who refuse to support ICE raids for them.
However, it sickens me that they would round up innocent people, citizens or not, as part of a belief that they have free rule to arrest whoever they please. It’s shameful that they would separate families, even for a few hours.
That being said, I believe a Hitler comparison is a little extreme. As someone pointed out, putting them on a plane beats a chamber (though they may receive a death sentence depending on where they’re from). I would like to believe that America could never persecute one nationality so fully as Germany did, because of the diversity here. And with that in mind, I find it interesting that they’re not focused on just Hispanics or Middle Eastern individuals. Perhaps there is hope for this country yet.
Health: if you read my text instead of jumping to a Stone Age accusation, I stated that I had refused to give my daughter medication for years, but she did amazing on it. I also stated that “most” (not all) of my family is unmedicated. My son has ADD, but not severe enough to need stimulants.
I know a boy with severe ADHD whose parents refuse to medicate, and it has ruined the boy’s education and social relationships (because he is such a distraction). He needs medication. However, many parents insist on drugging their child instead of working with them.
So please, don’t make assumptions about my beliefs.
I have many thoughts on this. Every member of my family (3 generations) has some degree of ADD/ ADHD. Most of us are unmedicated. I refused to medicate my daughter for several years, and she has done amazing on it. My son is quite bright and the distractions don’t take away from his learning, so he is unmedicated. As far as I’m concerned, parents need to learn all the risks, growth issues, dependence, sleep problems, etc.
That being said, a lot is wrong with the learning system. One instructor I know makes his boys run 2-3 laps every day before a lesson. It takes away a lot of energy and helps with focus. Kids aren’t meant to sit for 8 hours reading. The human body is made for movement. Look back a few hundred years. How many people had the “luxury” of sitting? No, they farmed, they built, they raised cattle. They moved!
And children now, whether because of the school system or just genetics, aren’t all built to sit and learn. Some need to fidget, to sit on a ball instead of a chair, wear a sensory vest, etc. But we live in a world where a teacher can’t focus on meeting everyone’s needs, and so it seems like medicating then into normalcy is the only way to solve their differences. And I find that with many special needs children, it is easier to make an excuse or hand a child a pill than it is to adapt to their learning style. My friend has a daughter like this. Severe ADD and sensory issues. They chose to pull her from the school system and mom would home-school. The child is 13 and has completed high school, full scholarships for college. Because instead of forcing her into normalcy, they used her unique abilities to foster greater learning. Now this isn’t the case for most people, but it’s important to not run to a pill to solve life’s problems.